Thanks Dave. I was able to move the files just fine. I also have a stack of LocalTalk stuff, and a bridge, but I didn’t pull that out for this project. Not sure why I didn’t think of it. I have Ethernet on my IIci and PowerBook but not the SE. So, other paths for me to investigate once I get the ci running again. http://www.classiccmp.org/cini Long Island S100 User’s Group Get Outlook<https://aka.ms/qtex0l> for iOS ________________________________ From: David Riley <fraveydank@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 7:13:55 PM To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> Cc: Richard Cini <rich.cini@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Moving files from an old 68k-Mac to an emulator or other machine Actually, IMO, the best option is: if you can get an Ethernet card in the SE, you can run Netatalk 2.x on Linux or NetBSD (both still support AppleTalk, but netatalk 3.x does not). You can connect everything from your SE up through fairly recent versions of OS X to that (I’ve not tested since 10.11 or so). Glad to help if you need it, though I suspect procuring the Ethernet card will be the challenge (I have one but would rather not crack open my SE right now). I’d be happy to loan a LocalTalk to Ethernet bridge and a fistful of PhoneNet adaptors, which will work, albeit rather slowly (not that the SE’s hard drive is particularly speedy). - Dave
On Sep 17, 2020, at 17:39, Richard Cini via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
My IIci is on the fritz (need to re-cap it), and I wanted to get some files off of my mother’s old (and long unused) Macintosh SE. I thought I’d mention this archiving path in case someone else is in the same boat. Unfortunately, it requires more than one type of Mac, and multiple ZIP drives, so if there are other possibilities, I’d like to know. I worked with only what I had on hand (i.e., I didn’t buy any extra hardware), but I’m sure there is a better way.
There are several parts to this: The original Mac SE (800K floppy only) A Mac that can read/write both 800k and 1.4MB disks (since the IIci was out-of-commission, I used my PowerBook 540c). Two iomega ZIP drives. It just so happens I have both SCSI and USB versions. A more current Mac that runs OSX *prior to* Catalina (10.15) since Catalina dropped support for HFS. I have a Mac Mini that runs El Capitan (10.11).
It took a bit of time to set everything up, but basically you have to get the iomega Zip Client onto the original Mac. Assuming you have no original disk, you can use HFVExplorer to put zipclient4.2 onto a 1.4MB floppy and then use the second Mac to move the file to an 800K disk. I didn’t have a spare external 1.4MB drive to test on the SE, but not sure it works without a ROM upgrade.
The second part is to use the SCSI ZIP drive on the SE to copy the files to a ZIP disk. The third part is to use the USB ZIP drive on the modern Mac to get the files off of the disk. So far, so good.
Then, you can use Basilisk or other emulator that can access the host’s file system to get the files into the emulation environment. The help file for HFVExplorer says it can access the ZIP drive, but I wasn’t able to get it to work. Thus, the need to use the two lifeboat Macs to get the files into the emulation environment.
I thought about Stuffing the files and then using a terminal program to send them to the modern Mac, but I couldn’t get MacTerminal to work properly; maybe a better terminal program would have worked.
Happy archiving!
Rich
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