Haha, yea Bill's comments had me thinking of how to send a time capsule of vintage tech into space. Maybe the space catapult can fling a few Apple II's into orbit. Makes me wonder what was in the trunk of Elon's tesla before launch, could have hidden a C64, 1541, CRT and maybe a copy of karateka. Well the 1541 may be pushing it, unless they threw in a fastloader cart. On Thu, Sep 5, 2024 at 11:55 AM David L Kuhn via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Way to bring down a party Bill. lol
-----Original Message----- From: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic-bounces@lists.vcfed.org> On Behalf Of Bill Degnan via vcf-midatlantic Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2024 5:01 PM To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> Cc: Bill Degnan <billdegnan@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] slightly OT: Collector vs. Hoarder
Hello Bart. I bet even among us tech hobbyists and purveyors of antique computers a low percentage has anything really old beyond their personal interest. Uber old tech collectors are out there, but they're much rarer and may not have the skills to support their items. They become "art" and thus how they look on a display is more important than anything.
It comes down to this, you can pass along stuff but you can't pass along passion. To find one passionate person after another over the generations to keep an unremarkable Atari going (why?) would be quite unusual. An Apple I stuff like that yes, but there is a short list of items that will be worth preserving over a longer stretch of time. Very very few vintage computing items will survive 100 years, and of these, very very few will be complete and restorable, not to mention functional.
There are always exceptions, maybe a collection large enough will attract an audience, or get absorbed into a future museum, but only the best stuff will survive. And with large collections there has to be an institutional/financial commitment, security, protection against looting when times get tough, etc. Anything that's not truly historic that survives will be the exception not the rule. It'll be random stuff, things that hang on the wall like front panels and interesting software packaging that randomly might find themselves into the right hands 200 years from now.
To make it into the future an item will have to be meticulously curated, and the item would have to be valuable enough to be worth the expense of maintaining year after year.
500 years from now you'll still be able to see vintage computers in museums, but only the few that were meticulously preserved, and extremely lucky.
SO - just have fun with what you have. Use it or lose it.
b
On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 12:21 PM Bart Hirst via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
One bad scenario I can think of is an individual who isn't at all interested in estate planning, and has no close friends or relatives with knowledge of their collection at hand when they move on, and thus things could go off the rails when put in the hands of someone who is not prepared and/or equipped to do anything other than call 1-800-junk.
On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 12:03 PM Hopkins, Justin via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
And I am pretty sure everyone remembers this. https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-19665632.amp ________________________________ From: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic-bounces@lists.vcfed.org> on behalf of Dean Notarnicola via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org
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This discussion has come up several times in the past year. I'm wondering if I should expand/update and repeat my VCF talk from a few years ago on the lifecycle of collections; establishing, maintaining and final disposition. Thoughts? - Dean ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization.
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This discussion has come up several times in the past year. I'm wondering if I should expand/update and repeat my VCF talk from a few years ago on the lifecycle of collections; establishing, maintaining and final disposition. Thoughts?
- Dean
On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 9:29 AM Chris Fala via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Yes, I do know the distinction between you personally and the organization. I thought of that as I was typing, but figured it would still get the point across. Sorry if my phrasing distorted the situation.
On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 9:05 AM Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Thanks for the props, but remember that LSSM is not "Dave's
stuff".
I have my own computers at home. Nearly all of my (computer) stuff will go to LSSM when I kick the bucket.
-Dave
On 8/28/24 08:53, Chris Fala via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
Don't forget about exhibiting/presenting/sharing stuff now so people can enjoy our collections while we are still alive. McGuire is a perfect example of this, and I am not. Someone want to come over and help me organize my storage unit(s)? ;-)
On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 8:48 AM Bob Shuster via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
> My bad, Dave! It was Mike Rosen (Sentrytv) responding to your message who > pointed this out, and I mixed up who said what! - Bob > >> From: Dave McGuire <mcguire@neurotica.com> >> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] slightly OT: Collector vs. >> Hoarder On 8/27/24 10:32, Bob Shuster via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >>> This is precisely why I started to sell off my collection, >>> and as >>> Dave McGuire pointed out it?s the people who come after >>> we?re gone >>> that will have to deal with it! As I stated on the front >>> page of my >>> sales page: "There comes a time when one's collection >>> overwhelms the >>> ability to store or maintain it ... I imagine the pain of >>> my family >>> in having to do this after I'm gone!" >> >> I certainly wasn't the one who pointed that out. I was >> the one >> advocating for finding a compatible spouse to begin with. >> >> If fat, funny-looking, high-maintenance "me" can do it, >> any guy can. >> >> -Dave > >
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