Herbs response was what I would have written, if I had the ability to be as eloquent and succinct as he. Deans response was what I would have written if I had the ability to be as quick to the point and have the right words instantly at my disposal as he! I personally am excited to see things not only moving forward just in the past 4+ years I've been involved but also the steps away from a hobbiest group and towards what I've discovered it really is....Namely a group of incredibly intelligent, experienced and passionate people who wish to preserve and share the knowledge and heritage they have as relates to technology. I'm consistently blown away by the things I read and hear and see from others in this group. The varied and detailed knowledge here is tremendous, as is the care and consideration given to each and every item we come in contact with. I'm also glad more attention to detail will be paid to existing and newly acquired artifacts. I can only hope that more physical help will follow the more detailed "advice" being sought from others who do this professionally. It's extremely wise to seek out the knowledge and experience of those who have come before and are active now. However, any failings in the past are not for lack of knowledge or passion to preserve (I don't think anyone suggested that, I'm just saying) but for lack of HELP. We cannot continue to expect Evan and Jeff and Adam and a few sporadic volunteers (me being one of those sporadic ones that cannot unfortunately be relied upon most of the year) to do all the work, and yet receive all the criticism. The guidance and knowledge being sought will be most welcome. I would hope those seeking that knowledge will consider who actually implements such guidance and techniques (often NOT the same people) and not simply heap the criticism that often accompanies reviews of current and past policy and procedures, lest they helped implement them themselves. The points of Eric and Mikes emails are well taken and eagerly anticipated by me and I'm sure many others. They're execution and tone however were somewhat insulting and patronizing at the same time. Good to see herb and dean come back with more considered responses. I wish mine could have been so but I often let my feelings show on my sleeve. Tony