Hello! Same here. I did not mean anything like that either. For the past several years, perhaps all of the 20 odd years I've lived here, I've been working with a group of hobbyists regarding an excellent emulator who when properly configured could run rings around the being spun down thing that claimed to be able to take over for the P/390 families. (It could not IMHO.) Anyway in my case the OS was VM/370, the 6th in releases as it happens. And we've been frustrated in tracking down the entire crowd of bits that surrounded that specific release. I'd last heard about the time Tux was celebrating the beginning of running itself on a S/390 system, that it all sat in a vault someplace. So I asked a now retired IBMer about. it. His response? Flat out "No!" It wasn't until a discussion much later that I'd found out that the company was decidedly worried about someone using the older release to setup an entire business about it. In reality the intention was to make use of it as a learning function. Although some people do use MVS and DOS/VS to run activities resembling one, they do not make money that way. I believe there are those people who do much the same for VM/370 as it happens. That's my take. Rudeness wasn't my intention. I do not normally do rude online. There's no fun it. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8@gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." On Fri, Nov 3, 2023 at 12:58 PM Dave McGuire <mcguire@neurotica.com> wrote:
Dan, I apologize, there was no ill intent at all in my message, and I certainly did not mean to be rude.
I run a public museum that focuses, in part on IBM mainframes and I've never heard of the preservation work you're doing. Perhaps if you described it, that would be helpful. Right now, all we have to go on is your statement below in which you indicate that, if received by IBM, these materials may simply fall into the somewhat infamous black hole of IBM Legal. If you look at things from our perspective, with only that to go on, I'm sure you can see our point of view.
Again I meant no rudeness or disrespect whatsoever, and I sincerely apologize if I came across that way.
-Dave
On 11/3/23 12:07, Dan FitzGerald via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
Greg, Dave:
This response was kind of rude, especially considering the kind of work that folks like me are doing at IBM to keep this stuff preserved.
Regards, Dan FitzGerald They/Them/Theirs http://www.vm.ibm.com/devpages/dfitzger
-----Original Message----- From: Gregg Levine via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> Reply-To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> Cc: Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Fiche documentation for all of VM/ESA Date: 10/27/2023 06:29:59 PM
Hello! Dave I agree. Now stop trying to bribe those snow leopards, as they have enough to eat from the life outside. Dan F, I'll certainly be at the meet tomorrow, that;'s what this thread is all about. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8@gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 5:35 PM Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
On 10/27/23 17:31, Dan FitzGerald via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
The IBM Archives have a microfiche machine and can read the data and can digitize it. However, the archivist says that he would need to ask somebody in IBM Legal if it could be released back to the public. I know that IBM released most of their VM/ESA code with the product, but not all; stuff considered confidential was distrubuted as "OCO - Object Code Only" in the form of binary blobs of data. If the data this guy has he got from his job at the Toronto transit authority, then it is highly likely it is the code that was shipped with the VM/ESA tapes itself, and there is a high liklihood that it could be released back to the public. However, they _would_ need to reach out to somebody in IBM Legal about it first and get the all-clear.
Not to put too fine a point on it, but this is why it probably shouldn't go to IBM.
Just sayin'.
-Dave
-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA