On 01/20/2017 12:38 PM, Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
On 01/20/2017 09:21 AM, William Dudley via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
Why is an IDE needed or even useful for this process?
A lot of people go the IDE route because that's what they're told to do as beginners...frequently by other beginners. "Here, this is how you write software."
Or as a standardize work environment. I see this a lot in the automated testing being done. Fortunately for me I wrote/write the backend scripts. All I have vi. I really wish I had a VCS though. There's one thing I loved about Apple Mac applications, I could use both the mouse and the keyboard at the same time. The mouse didn't interfere with me using the keyboard. I agree with the incredible amount of bloat we see. It's one of the problems I see the current Linux distros have. I need the latest processor and the most ram to run an X shell, a browser, email and an editor.
People can't really be faulted for that approach if they have no way of knowing of the existence of any other approach.
Some of this stems from the very common assumption that anything involving touching the keyboard is automatically "hard", and anything involving using the mouse is automatically "easy" and automatically "newer". (with "newer" being automatically "better", of course)
This new is better is what got Wellfeet/Baynetworks in trouble. Instead of providing an ASCII interface to the command line they went menu (not terrible) or snmp commands (ARGH!). Later they dropped the menu and went full Windows GUI. Which was useless when the network as down. This is not to say that the GUI doesn't have it's place. I'm now using Node-Red to do home automation. Very cool, quick easy to use, editor's okay (it ain't emacs ;-) ). I also use MQTT (pub/sub broker) no GUI though I can through together some Broswer JS to display it there. I can also manipulate it quite easily from scripts, cron, node-red, etc. Love the new stuff we have today, love the old on which the new stole ideas and is built on. :-) -- Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry ncherry@linuxha.com http://www.linuxha.com/ Main site http://linuxha.blogspot.com/ My HA Blog Author of: Linux Smart Homes For Dummies