I know of Banks that hadn't stopped using IBM bisync equipment around 2000, I know of a large concrete company who still had DECnet (LAST and LAT) by 2005, a chemical company who has finally gotten rid of the PUP and XNS (not Novell) but still had DECNet LAT by 2010 and a Aluminum Company with DEC LAT and HP Bridging in 2011. I know many of the companies have a plan to migrate but they're milking the 'paid for' tech until they migrate. I'm a bit guilty of holding out, I learned Emacs in 1978 on a keyboard where you needed to know your ASCII to generate control sequences (CR - ^M, LF -^J, TAB - ^I, BS - ^H etc.). And since I learned to type on a typewritter, I do not know of this Enter you speak of. ;-) Oh, and they've changed the Windows applications (yet again) so the old key strokes no longer get you to the features directly. And the way they've hidden the features I need ... well I'm resorting to returning to nroff. ;-) -- Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry ncherry@linuxha.com http://www.linuxha.com/ Main site http://linuxha.blogspot.com/ My HA Blog Author of: Linux Smart Homes For Dummies