Painting the top few feet of our walls (top of the door frame to the ceiling) would be easy, but painting the ceiling itself would be difficult detail-wise. Rollers on sticks wouldn't get the all the edges. There are many edges because the ceiling is WW2 style. I asked Tony for his opinion because he seems to know a lot about painting. He recommended getting professional estimates. He said if the cost is exorbitant then he can probably get some of his worker to come help, but he emphasized that the tall, large ceiling really should he done by pros to look halfway decent. I will get a few estimates.
Painting the top few feet of our walls (top of the door frame to the ceiling) would be easy, but painting the ceiling itself would be difficult detail-wise. Rollers on sticks wouldn't get the all the edges. There are many edges because the ceiling is WW2 style. I asked Tony for his opinion because he seems to know a lot about painting. He recommended getting professional estimates. He said if the cost is exorbitant then he can probably get some of his worker to come help, but he emphasized that the tall, large ceiling really should he done by pros to look halfway decent. I will get a few estimates.
But since I erred and let out the secret, I might as well tell you guys about it. Our museum room is a big boring white box. The ceiling is high (10 ft.?) with about 3 feet between the top of the door frames and the ceiling itself. We think it would look much better if we paint that area (all around the room) and the ceiling a dark shade of blue. That would bring people's eyes down to the artifacts, hide much of the big ugly ceiling, and we further plan to break up the blue/white line with creative placement of signs (and also some LED TVs). Thus we're seeking the most efficient way of painting the ceiling. Cheapest way is DIY, but that would also be the worst quality. :)
On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 5:38 PM, Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
Painting the top few feet of our walls (top of the door frame to the
ceiling) would be easy, but painting the ceiling itself would be difficult detail-wise. Rollers on sticks wouldn't get the all the edges. There are many edges because the ceiling is WW2 style. I asked Tony for his opinion because he seems to know a lot about painting. He recommended getting professional estimates. He said if the cost is exorbitant then he can probably get some of his worker to come help, but he emphasized that the tall, large ceiling really should he done by pros to look halfway decent. I will get a few estimates.
But since I erred and let out the secret, I might as well tell you guys about it.
Our museum room is a big boring white box.
The ceiling is high (10 ft.?) with about 3 feet between the top of the door frames and the ceiling itself. We think it would look much better if we paint that area (all around the room) and the ceiling a dark shade of blue. That would bring people's eyes down to the artifacts, hide much of the big ugly ceiling, and we further plan to break up the blue/white line with creative placement of signs (and also some LED TVs).
Thus we're seeking the most efficient way of painting the ceiling. Cheapest way is DIY, but that would also be the worst quality. :)
I think I can safely say I'm not the only one who has no idea about what problem you have with the ceiling. I thought the room looked great as a start for the new museum wing. It is a nice change of pace since the old museum wing. I don't know about the rest of you but the ceiling was the ultimately the farthest thing from my mind to peer up glazing at nothing with all of the splendid artifacts in the museum. The only time I ever did look at the ceiling was after my trip while looking at the photos with just being curious how much lighting there was in the room. Aren't the artifacts still not good enough to keep the people interested and occupied ?? I find that hard to believe. I'm very curious to know how you surmised with your human logic that people keep staring at the ceiling instead of the artifacts. What on earth is so wrong with a white room. White helps reflect sunlight and the lightening in the room. It's the most ecological color to use, and beyond that you really prefer to keep it bright with a variety of shades to make it attractive. This renovation sounds like the beginnings of an adhoc html webpage on Geocities from the 1990s. How about before trying to .mask. whatever perception of problem which you might have with the ceiling, try adding some adornments that is befitting of a museum before creating a disaster with a paint job. Is it so urgent to splash gallons of some bland color cause nobody wants to spend the time to be creative. Avoid turning that into a some eerily cavernous habitat from Colossal cave with bright white lights beaming down from the ceiling while expecting a Grue to jump upon you. You know the saying about a movie production, the filming can be great [the artifacts], but if the soundtrack sucks ass [the interior], the movie will still be crap [the museum]. How about for starters, hold off on the geek gadgets. Replace those friggin' awful ghetto paint-can stanchions with the actual thing. Get somebody with some artistic talent to make the wall presentations, you just provide the historical content which gets embedded into the artwork. Somebody that can do more than just print out pictures from a google search, one than can actually design and create some artwork using inexpensive materials. Buy them the materials, it's cheap. You can get students from an art school to volunteer for this. And then maybe, maybe !!, instead of blanking that entire ceiling and surroundings with some awful bland color, how about being creative here too. Get another art student to volunteer and paint a little historical mural up there - like Michelangelo. The scaffolding is not so expensive to rent. The painting tarps are dirt cheap. So if some visitors do happen to look up, I don't know who or why still, but then they have a more supremely interesting view to enjoy than a friggin' black hole above their head. It's time you quit being so cheezy, it's doesn't cost a fortune to make it appear professional. Begin frugal is not supposed to look cheap. that's my 2cents Dan [pun intended] -- _ ____ / \__/ Scotty, We Need More Power !! \_/ _\__ Aye, Cap'n, but we've only got 80 col's !!
This renovation sounds like the beginnings of an adhoc html webpage on Geocities from the 1990s.... Avoid turning that into a some eerily cavernous habitat from Colossal cave with bright white lights beaming down from the ceiling while expecting a Grue to jump upon you. You know the saying about a movie production, the filming can be great [the artifacts], but if the soundtrack sucks ass [the interior], the movie will still be crap [the museum].
Geez, Dan, stop being so subtle. :)
try adding some adornments that is befitting of a museum
We had that thought, too. See my other email about suggestions for painting plexi in a translucent manner... the idea (since you're twisting my arm!) is to paint some on-topic images on rectangular sheets of plexi and hang those flat a couple of feet belong our many fluorescent lights. It would break up the boring white ceiling, add some cool adornments, and hide the ugly lights too. While we're at it, perhaps replace the standard bulbs with LED versions.
Replace those friggin' awful ghetto paint-can stanchions with the actual thing.
Great minds think alike: this is yet another idea that we're considering. :) Options include proper stanchions or maybe a railing. I like the railing idea because it won't move around, but we could get it done modularly in order to access/move equipment as needed.
You can get students from an art school to volunteer for this
Now THAT is a good idea!
I agree with you whole-heatedly Dan! Lots of good points! On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 9:52 PM, Dan Roganti via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 5:38 PM, Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
Painting the top few feet of our walls (top of the door frame to the
ceiling) would be easy, but painting the ceiling itself would be difficult detail-wise. Rollers on sticks wouldn't get the all the edges. There are many edges because the ceiling is WW2 style. I asked Tony for his opinion because he seems to know a lot about painting. He recommended getting professional estimates. He said if the cost is exorbitant then he can probably get some of his worker to come help, but he emphasized that the tall, large ceiling really should he done by pros to look halfway decent. I will get a few estimates.
But since I erred and let out the secret, I might as well tell you guys about it.
Our museum room is a big boring white box.
The ceiling is high (10 ft.?) with about 3 feet between the top of the door frames and the ceiling itself. We think it would look much better if we paint that area (all around the room) and the ceiling a dark shade of blue. That would bring people's eyes down to the artifacts, hide much of the big ugly ceiling, and we further plan to break up the blue/white line with creative placement of signs (and also some LED TVs).
Thus we're seeking the most efficient way of painting the ceiling. Cheapest way is DIY, but that would also be the worst quality. :)
I think I can safely say I'm not the only one who has no idea about what problem you have with the ceiling. I thought the room looked great as a start for the new museum wing. It is a nice change of pace since the old museum wing. I don't know about the rest of you but the ceiling was the ultimately the farthest thing from my mind to peer up glazing at nothing with all of the splendid artifacts in the museum. The only time I ever did look at the ceiling was after my trip while looking at the photos with just being curious how much lighting there was in the room. Aren't the artifacts still not good enough to keep the people interested and occupied ?? I find that hard to believe.
I'm very curious to know how you surmised with your human logic that people keep staring at the ceiling instead of the artifacts. What on earth is so wrong with a white room. White helps reflect sunlight and the lightening in the room. It's the most ecological color to use, and beyond that you really prefer to keep it bright with a variety of shades to make it attractive. This renovation sounds like the beginnings of an adhoc html webpage on Geocities from the 1990s.
How about before trying to .mask. whatever perception of problem which you might have with the ceiling, try adding some adornments that is befitting of a museum before creating a disaster with a paint job. Is it so urgent to splash gallons of some bland color cause nobody wants to spend the time to be creative. Avoid turning that into a some eerily cavernous habitat from Colossal cave with bright white lights beaming down from the ceiling while expecting a Grue to jump upon you. You know the saying about a movie production, the filming can be great [the artifacts], but if the soundtrack sucks ass [the interior], the movie will still be crap [the museum].
How about for starters, hold off on the geek gadgets. Replace those friggin' awful ghetto paint-can stanchions with the actual thing. Get somebody with some artistic talent to make the wall presentations, you just provide the historical content which gets embedded into the artwork. Somebody that can do more than just print out pictures from a google search, one than can actually design and create some artwork using inexpensive materials. Buy them the materials, it's cheap. You can get students from an art school to volunteer for this. And then maybe, maybe !!, instead of blanking that entire ceiling and surroundings with some awful bland color, how about being creative here too. Get another art student to volunteer and paint a little historical mural up there - like Michelangelo. The scaffolding is not so expensive to rent. The painting tarps are dirt cheap. So if some visitors do happen to look up, I don't know who or why still, but then they have a more supremely interesting view to enjoy than a friggin' black hole above their head.
It's time you quit being so cheezy, it's doesn't cost a fortune to make it appear professional. Begin frugal is not supposed to look cheap. that's my 2cents Dan [pun intended]
-- _ ____ / \__/ Scotty, We Need More Power !! \_/ _\__ Aye, Cap'n, but we've only got 80 col's !!
-- Jeff Brace - ark72axow@gmail.com
Second! On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 9:52 PM, Dan Roganti via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 5:38 PM, Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
Painting the top few feet of our walls (top of the door frame to the
ceiling) would be easy, but painting the ceiling itself would be difficult detail-wise. Rollers on sticks wouldn't get the all the edges. There are many edges because the ceiling is WW2 style. I asked Tony for his opinion because he seems to know a lot about painting. He recommended getting professional estimates. He said if the cost is exorbitant then he can probably get some of his worker to come help, but he emphasized that the tall, large ceiling really should he done by pros to look halfway decent. I will get a few estimates.
But since I erred and let out the secret, I might as well tell you guys about it.
Our museum room is a big boring white box.
The ceiling is high (10 ft.?) with about 3 feet between the top of the door frames and the ceiling itself. We think it would look much better if we paint that area (all around the room) and the ceiling a dark shade of blue. That would bring people's eyes down to the artifacts, hide much of the big ugly ceiling, and we further plan to break up the blue/white line with creative placement of signs (and also some LED TVs).
Thus we're seeking the most efficient way of painting the ceiling. Cheapest way is DIY, but that would also be the worst quality. :)
I think I can safely say I'm not the only one who has no idea about what problem you have with the ceiling. I thought the room looked great as a start for the new museum wing. It is a nice change of pace since the old museum wing. I don't know about the rest of you but the ceiling was the ultimately the farthest thing from my mind to peer up glazing at nothing with all of the splendid artifacts in the museum. The only time I ever did look at the ceiling was after my trip while looking at the photos with just being curious how much lighting there was in the room. Aren't the artifacts still not good enough to keep the people interested and occupied ?? I find that hard to believe.
I'm very curious to know how you surmised with your human logic that people keep staring at the ceiling instead of the artifacts. What on earth is so wrong with a white room. White helps reflect sunlight and the lightening in the room. It's the most ecological color to use, and beyond that you really prefer to keep it bright with a variety of shades to make it attractive. This renovation sounds like the beginnings of an adhoc html webpage on Geocities from the 1990s.
How about before trying to .mask. whatever perception of problem which you might have with the ceiling, try adding some adornments that is befitting of a museum before creating a disaster with a paint job. Is it so urgent to splash gallons of some bland color cause nobody wants to spend the time to be creative. Avoid turning that into a some eerily cavernous habitat from Colossal cave with bright white lights beaming down from the ceiling while expecting a Grue to jump upon you. You know the saying about a movie production, the filming can be great [the artifacts], but if the soundtrack sucks ass [the interior], the movie will still be crap [the museum].
How about for starters, hold off on the geek gadgets. Replace those friggin' awful ghetto paint-can stanchions with the actual thing. Get somebody with some artistic talent to make the wall presentations, you just provide the historical content which gets embedded into the artwork. Somebody that can do more than just print out pictures from a google search, one than can actually design and create some artwork using inexpensive materials. Buy them the materials, it's cheap. You can get students from an art school to volunteer for this. And then maybe, maybe !!, instead of blanking that entire ceiling and surroundings with some awful bland color, how about being creative here too. Get another art student to volunteer and paint a little historical mural up there - like Michelangelo. The scaffolding is not so expensive to rent. The painting tarps are dirt cheap. So if some visitors do happen to look up, I don't know who or why still, but then they have a more supremely interesting view to enjoy than a friggin' black hole above their head.
It's time you quit being so cheezy, it's doesn't cost a fortune to make it appear professional. Begin frugal is not supposed to look cheap. that's my 2cents Dan [pun intended]
-- _ ____ / \__/ Scotty, We Need More Power !! \_/ _\__ Aye, Cap'n, but we've only got 80 col's !!
When Evan asked me my opinion on what would be involved in painting the top of the walls and ceiling I told him what I thought. I like the idea of a strip across the top of the wall above the doors to breakup the continuous tone of white throughout the room, while not detracting from the items in the space or the effectiveness of the lighting. I also immediately thought of some ideas for that top strip. I would agree with the previous comments that have been made as to the lighting, color, etc. I agree the ceiling is not an issue as is and Evans and others time can be better spent on other things to continue to improve and evolve the museum. I also appreciate that Evan (others too but in this discussion Evan in particular) is constantly trying to make our museum the best it can be and is forever trying to tweak things to improve them. Thanks Evan, but sit this one out and let's work on those other projects!! Just my .02 Tony
The best person to pain a ceiling is Leonardo DaVinci, but since he's dead, not sure what to suggest. On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 4:01 PM, Tony Bogan via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
When Evan asked me my opinion on what would be involved in painting the top of the walls and ceiling I told him what I thought. I like the idea of a strip across the top of the wall above the doors to breakup the continuous tone of white throughout the room, while not detracting from the items in the space or the effectiveness of the lighting. I also immediately thought of some ideas for that top strip.
I would agree with the previous comments that have been made as to the lighting, color, etc. I agree the ceiling is not an issue as is and Evans and others time can be better spent on other things to continue to improve and evolve the museum.
I also appreciate that Evan (others too but in this discussion Evan in particular) is constantly trying to make our museum the best it can be and is forever trying to tweak things to improve them. Thanks Evan, but sit this one out and let's work on those other projects!!
Just my .02 Tony
-- Normal Person: Hey, it seems that you know a lot. Geek: To be honest, it's due to all the surfing I do. Normal Person: So you go surfing? Normal Person: But I don't think that has anything to do with knowing a lot... Geek: I think that's wrong on a fundamental level. Normal Person: Huh? Huh? What?
Don't you mean Michelangelo? On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 4:26 PM, Joseph Oprysko via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
The best person to pain a ceiling is Leonardo DaVinci, but since he's dead, not sure what to suggest.
On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 4:01 PM, Tony Bogan via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
When Evan asked me my opinion on what would be involved in painting the top of the walls and ceiling I told him what I thought. I like the idea of a strip across the top of the wall above the doors to breakup the continuous tone of white throughout the room, while not detracting from the items in the space or the effectiveness of the lighting. I also immediately thought of some ideas for that top strip.
I would agree with the previous comments that have been made as to the lighting, color, etc. I agree the ceiling is not an issue as is and Evans and others time can be better spent on other things to continue to improve and evolve the museum.
I also appreciate that Evan (others too but in this discussion Evan in particular) is constantly trying to make our museum the best it can be and is forever trying to tweak things to improve them. Thanks Evan, but sit this one out and let's work on those other projects!!
Just my .02 Tony
-- Normal Person: Hey, it seems that you know a lot. Geek: To be honest, it's due to all the surfing I do. Normal Person: So you go surfing? Normal Person: But I don't think that has anything to do with knowing a lot... Geek: I think that's wrong on a fundamental level. Normal Person: Huh? Huh? What?
I thought he meant Leonardo DiCaprio Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 1, 2016, at 5:13 PM, Chris Fala via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
Don't you mean Michelangelo?
On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 4:26 PM, Joseph Oprysko via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
The best person to pain a ceiling is Leonardo DaVinci, but since he's dead, not sure what to suggest.
On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 4:01 PM, Tony Bogan via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
When Evan asked me my opinion on what would be involved in painting the top of the walls and ceiling I told him what I thought. I like the idea of a strip across the top of the wall above the doors to breakup the continuous tone of white throughout the room, while not detracting from the items in the space or the effectiveness of the lighting. I also immediately thought of some ideas for that top strip.
I would agree with the previous comments that have been made as to the lighting, color, etc. I agree the ceiling is not an issue as is and Evans and others time can be better spent on other things to continue to improve and evolve the museum.
I also appreciate that Evan (others too but in this discussion Evan in particular) is constantly trying to make our museum the best it can be and is forever trying to tweak things to improve them. Thanks Evan, but sit this one out and let's work on those other projects!!
Just my .02 Tony
-- Normal Person: Hey, it seems that you know a lot. Geek: To be honest, it's due to all the surfing I do. Normal Person: So you go surfing? Normal Person: But I don't think that has anything to do with knowing a lot... Geek: I think that's wrong on a fundamental level. Normal Person: Huh? Huh? What?
Ahh, I'm not much of the artiste' LOL On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 5:50 PM, Tony Bogan via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
I thought he meant Leonardo DiCaprio
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 1, 2016, at 5:13 PM, Chris Fala via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
Don't you mean Michelangelo?
On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 4:26 PM, Joseph Oprysko via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
The best person to pain a ceiling is Leonardo DaVinci, but since he's dead, not sure what to suggest.
On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 4:01 PM, Tony Bogan via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
When Evan asked me my opinion on what would be involved in painting the top of the walls and ceiling I told him what I thought. I like the idea of a strip across the top of the wall above the doors to breakup the continuous tone of white throughout the room, while not detracting from the items in the space or the effectiveness of the lighting. I also immediately thought of some ideas for that top strip.
I would agree with the previous comments that have been made as to the lighting, color, etc. I agree the ceiling is not an issue as is and Evans and others time can be better spent on other things to continue to improve and evolve the museum.
I also appreciate that Evan (others too but in this discussion Evan in particular) is constantly trying to make our museum the best it can be and is forever trying to tweak things to improve them. Thanks Evan, but sit this one out and let's work on those other projects!!
Just my .02 Tony
-- Normal Person: Hey, it seems that you know a lot. Geek: To be honest, it's due to all the surfing I do. Normal Person: So you go surfing? Normal Person: But I don't think that has anything to do with knowing a lot... Geek: I think that's wrong on a fundamental level. Normal Person: Huh? Huh? What?
-- Normal Person: Hey, it seems that you know a lot. Geek: To be honest, it's due to all the surfing I do. Normal Person: So you go surfing? Normal Person: But I don't think that has anything to do with knowing a lot... Geek: I think that's wrong on a fundamental level. Normal Person: Huh? Huh? What?
On 09/01/2016 05:50 PM, Tony Bogan via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
I thought he meant Leonardo DiCaprio
+2 :-) -- Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry ncherry@linuxha.com http://www.linuxha.com/ Main site http://linuxha.blogspot.com/ My HA Blog Author of: Linux Smart Homes For Dummies
Thanks Evan, but sit this one out and let's work on those other projects!!
Yes. I've been convinced. The important thing is to break up the bland expanse that we call the ceiling. Personally I think the ceiling should be black, so visitors' eyes stay focused on the artifacts, but we can do plenty of other things sooner/easier/cheaper such as the translucent computer art project.
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