Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Perhaps I asked the wrong question...
From: Neil Cherry <ncherry@linuxha.com>
This new is better is what got Wellfeet/Baynetworks in trouble. Instead of providing an ASCII interface to the command line they went menu (not terrible) or snmp commands (ARGH!). Later they dropped the menu and went full Windows GUI. Which was useless when the network as down.
Ahh...Wellfleet's "Site Manager". I'm sure in some Bostonian ivory tower, "everything is an SNMP OID and thou shalt only speak SNMP to it" sounded like a great idea. What they delivered was a steaming pile of bad design choices, wildly inconsistent behavior, poor documentation and crippling bugs (new and different in every release). To this day it's my go-to example of truly awful, how not to do it, user interfaces. I've rarely found one worse. KJ
On 01/21/2017 12:39 PM, Kenneth Seefried via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
This new is better is what got Wellfeet/Baynetworks in trouble. Instead of providing an ASCII interface to the command line they went menu (not terrible) or snmp commands (ARGH!). Later they dropped the menu and went full Windows GUI. Which was useless when the network as down.
Ahh...Wellfleet's "Site Manager". I'm sure in some Bostonian ivory tower, "everything is an SNMP OID and thou shalt only speak SNMP to it" sounded like a great idea. What they delivered was a steaming pile of bad design choices, wildly inconsistent behavior, poor documentation and crippling bugs (new and different in every release). To this day it's my go-to example of truly awful, how not to do it, user interfaces. I've rarely found one worse.
They don't call 'em "WontFloat" for nothin'! -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
On 01/21/2017 12:39 PM, Kenneth Seefried via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
From: Neil Cherry <ncherry@linuxha.com>
This new is better is what got Wellfeet/Baynetworks in trouble. Instead of providing an ASCII interface to the command line they went menu (not terrible) or snmp commands (ARGH!). Later they dropped the menu and went full Windows GUI. Which was useless when the network as down.
Ahh...Wellfleet's "Site Manager". I'm sure in some Bostonian ivory tower, "everything is an SNMP OID and thou shalt only speak SNMP to it" sounded like a great idea. What they delivered was a steaming pile of bad design choices, wildly inconsistent behavior, poor documentation and crippling bugs (new and different in every release).
Ah, used the 7 series, you have. ;-) My god that purely hell working on those @#$% things. Unfortunately I was smart (dumb) enough to have known those things really well. I much preferred the Cisco (though I think the 10 & 11 series gave us some hell, but no where near the that of the Site Mangler and the 7 series).
To this day it's my go-to example of truly awful, how not to do it, user interfaces. I've rarely found one worse.
Yes, very good example of a well thought out piling steaming mess. -- Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry ncherry@linuxha.com http://www.linuxha.com/ Main site http://linuxha.blogspot.com/ My HA Blog Author of: Linux Smart Homes For Dummies
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