More about the STK library
Last night I posted about how the STK 9710 has max capacity of more than 40TB compressed, and I lamented that it may not be right for our "history of the present" exhibit after all because nobody has 40TB in their pocket. Corey pointed out that cloud storage should count in the equation. Google Drive accounts give you up to 10TB for $99. Dropbox will sell you an "unlimited" account for $15/month. So technically, yes, you can access 40TB in your pocket-sized device... or at least * from * your pocket-sized device.
Last night I posted about how the STK 9710 has max capacity of more than 40TB compressed, and I lamented that it may not be right for our "history of the present" exhibit after all because nobody has 40TB in their pocket. Corey pointed out that cloud storage should count in the equation. Google Drive accounts give you up to 10TB for $99. Dropbox will sell you an "unlimited" account for $15/month. So technically, yes, you can access 40TB in your pocket-sized device... or at least * from * your pocket-sized device.
All those tape fraudsters... 40TB in tape probably means *5TB uncompressed :-) (Yes, I know their false marketing was normally assuming 2:1 compression)
On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Ethan via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
Last night I posted about how the STK 9710 has max capacity of more than
40TB compressed, and I lamented that it may not be right for our "history of the present" exhibit after all because nobody has 40TB in their pocket. Corey pointed out that cloud storage should count in the equation. Google Drive accounts give you up to 10TB for $99. Dropbox will sell you an "unlimited" account for $15/month. So technically, yes, you can access 40TB in your pocket-sized device... or at least * from * your pocket-sized device.
All those tape fraudsters...
40TB in tape probably means *5TB uncompressed
:-)
(Yes, I know their false marketing was normally assuming 2:1 compression)
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All those tape fraudsters...
40TB in tape probably means *5TB uncompressed
:-)
(Yes, I know their false marketing was normally assuming 2:1 compression)
Indeed. Spec is 20.6TB uncompressed using 36GB DLT 7000 cartridges. Still, the most storage local in any current phone is 128GB with another 128GB possible through a microSD card. Combined that is "only" 1/4th of a TB. Looks like we'll definitely have to reference cloud storage on the sign. I am fine with that because the prevalence of LTE + WiFi make many TBs of storage * essentially * local/personal to your phone.
On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 11:44 AM, Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
All those tape fraudsters...
40TB in tape probably means *5TB uncompressed
:-)
(Yes, I know their false marketing was normally assuming 2:1 compression)
Indeed. Spec is 20.6TB uncompressed using 36GB DLT 7000 cartridges.
Still, the most storage local in any current phone is 128GB with another 128GB possible through a microSD card. Combined that is "only" 1/4th of a TB.
Looks like we'll definitely have to reference cloud storage on the sign. I am fine with that because the prevalence of LTE + WiFi make many TBs of storage * essentially * local/personal to your phone.
How many 1TB USB hard drives can you fit in a briefcase? :-)
On 03/07/2016 11:44 AM, Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
All those tape fraudsters...
40TB in tape probably means *5TB uncompressed
:-)
(Yes, I know their false marketing was normally assuming 2:1 compression)
Indeed. Spec is 20.6TB uncompressed using 36GB DLT 7000 cartridges.
Still, the most storage local in any current phone is 128GB with another 128GB possible through a microSD card. Combined that is "only" 1/4th of a TB.
Looks like we'll definitely have to reference cloud storage on the sign. I am fine with that because the prevalence of LTE + WiFi make many TBs of storage * essentially * local/personal to your phone.
That's many TBs of *someone else's* storage. Despite corporations' heavy attempts to train the general uneducated public that there's no difference, you and I know that the distinction is critical. One thing I had thought to do with that tape juke is to use a sheet metal nibbler to cut a "window" in the main door, put some lucite/plexi in there with a rubber surround to make it look good, then write some code to move the tape picker around inserting/rearranging tapes. I hate modifying hardware, and normally I'd never consider such a thing, but as you observed, the thing just isn't old enough to be "vintage" to anyone but the most clueless PC person, and they're not terribly rare either. But most people are never in an environment where such things are in use, so it'd be a new experience to see one batting its positioner around. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 1:13 PM, Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
On 03/07/2016 11:44 AM, Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
All those tape fraudsters...
40TB in tape probably means *5TB uncompressed
:-)
(Yes, I know their false marketing was normally assuming 2:1 compression)
Indeed. Spec is 20.6TB uncompressed using 36GB DLT 7000 cartridges.
Still, the most storage local in any current phone is 128GB with another 128GB possible through a microSD card. Combined that is "only" 1/4th of a TB.
Looks like we'll definitely have to reference cloud storage on the sign. I am fine with that because the prevalence of LTE + WiFi make many TBs of storage * essentially * local/personal to your phone.
That's many TBs of *someone else's* storage. Despite corporations' heavy attempts to train the general uneducated public that there's no difference, you and I know that the distinction is critical.
One thing I had thought to do with that tape juke is to use a sheet metal nibbler to cut a "window" in the main door, put some lucite/plexi in there with a rubber surround to make it look good, then write some code to move the tape picker around inserting/rearranging tapes. I hate modifying hardware, and normally I'd never consider such a thing, but as you observed, the thing just isn't old enough to be "vintage" to anyone but the most clueless PC person, and they're not terribly rare either. But most people are never in an environment where such things are in use, so it'd be a new experience to see one batting its positioner around.
-Dave
-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
Simmilar to the StorageTek tape juke is the Sony BetaCart and its variations, but insted of DLT tapes it contained some form of videotape cassette either BetaCam 1/2" variants or D-2 3/4" tapes. The system was introduced in 1985 and allowwd a TV station to air many different videotapes automatically, the minimum system consisted of 1(expandable to 4) BetaCam VCR modified to take tapes in from the side, a cart robot that could hold 30 tapes, an AV matrix switcher and a custom control computer with bar code printing and reading cability. -- Matt Patoray Owner, MSP Productions KD8AMG Amateur Radio Call Sign
Simmilar to the StorageTek tape juke is the Sony BetaCart and its variations, but insted of DLT tapes it contained some form of videotape cassette either BetaCam 1/2" variants or D-2 3/4" tapes. The system was introduced in 1985 and allowwd a TV station to air many different videotapes automatically, the minimum system consisted of 1(expandable to 4) BetaCam VCR modified to take tapes in from the side, a cart robot that could hold 30 tapes, an AV matrix switcher and a custom control computer with bar code printing and reading cability.
The movie Hackers! Although those looked 3/4" Umatic? STK Silos from when I worked @ NASA: https://users.757.org/~ethan/pics/office/13/ We had 3 powderhorns and a number of smaller ones.
On 03/07/2016 01:35 PM, Matt Patoray via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
One thing I had thought to do with that tape juke is to use a sheet metal nibbler to cut a "window" in the main door, put some lucite/plexi in there with a rubber surround to make it look good, then write some code to move the tape picker around inserting/rearranging tapes. I hate modifying hardware, and normally I'd never consider such a thing, but as you observed, the thing just isn't old enough to be "vintage" to anyone but the most clueless PC person, and they're not terribly rare either. But most people are never in an environment where such things are in use, so it'd be a new experience to see one batting its positioner around.
Simmilar to the StorageTek tape juke is the Sony BetaCart and its variations, but insted of DLT tapes it contained some form of videotape cassette either BetaCam 1/2" variants or D-2 3/4" tapes. The system was introduced in 1985 and allowwd a TV station to air many different videotapes automatically, the minimum system consisted of 1(expandable to 4) BetaCam VCR modified to take tapes in from the side, a cart robot that could hold 30 tapes, an AV matrix switcher and a custom control computer with bar code printing and reading cability.
Oh yes. I'd love to find one of those systems intact. A fantastic example of early-ish computer control in a non-computer-related tech industry. The broadcast industry seems to have been a fairly early adopter of computerization in process control (rather than just "human" tasks") areas. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 10:31 AM, Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
On 03/07/2016 01:35 PM, Matt Patoray via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
One thing I had thought to do with that tape juke is to use a sheet metal nibbler to cut a "window" in the main door, put some lucite/plexi in there with a rubber surround to make it look good, then write some code to move the tape picker around inserting/rearranging tapes. I hate modifying hardware, and normally I'd never consider such a thing, but as you observed, the thing just isn't old enough to be "vintage" to anyone but the most clueless PC person, and they're not terribly rare either. But most people are never in an environment where such things are in use, so it'd be a new experience to see one batting its positioner around.
Simmilar to the StorageTek tape juke is the Sony BetaCart and its variations, but insted of DLT tapes it contained some form of videotape cassette either BetaCam 1/2" variants or D-2 3/4" tapes. The system was introduced in 1985 and allowwd a TV station to air many different videotapes automatically, the minimum system consisted of 1(expandable to 4) BetaCam VCR modified to take tapes in from the side, a cart robot that could hold 30 tapes, an AV matrix switcher and a custom control computer with bar code printing and reading cability.
Oh yes. I'd love to find one of those systems intact. A fantastic example of early-ish computer control in a non-computer-related tech industry. The broadcast industry seems to have been a fairly early adopter of computerization in process control (rather than just "human" tasks") areas.
-Dave
-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
How about the IBM 3850. Automated tape loading from the mid 70's. -- @ BillDeg: Web: vintagecomputer.net Twitter: @billdeg <https://twitter.com/billdeg> Youtube: @billdeg <https://www.youtube.com/user/billdeg> Unauthorized Bio <http://www.vintagecomputer.net/readme.cfm>
Looks like we'll definitely have to reference cloud storage on the sign. I am fine with that because the prevalence of LTE + WiFi make many TBs of storage * essentially * local/personal to your phone.
That's many TBs of *someone else's* storage. Despite corporations' heavy attempts to train the general uneducated public that there's no difference, you and I know that the distinction is critical.
One thing I had thought to do with that tape juke is to use a sheet metal nibbler to cut a "window" in the main door, put some lucite/plexi in there with a rubber surround to make it look good, then write some code to move the tape picker around inserting/rearranging tapes.
Right. That's why Steve A. and I were trying to open the door without having the key yesterday. :) Wanted to figure out where the window should be. This unit has the optional expansion door on the left side, so if the robot is * behind * all those extra slots then a window may not make any difference.
to anyone but the most clueless PC person, and they're not terribly rare either.
Heh... I know you meant "they" being the libraries, because "not terribly rare" re: clueless PC persons is an understatement. :)
But most people are never in an environment where such things are in use, so it'd be a new experience to see one batting its positioner around.
Exactly.
Indeed. Spec is 20.6TB uncompressed using 36GB DLT 7000 cartridges. Still, the most storage local in any current phone is 128GB with another 128GB possible through a microSD card. Combined that is "only" 1/4th of a TB.
Samsung just announced a 15TB 2.5" SSD drive, which is more space/smaller than the 10TB 3.5" Western Digital hard disk currently on the market. So not far off from 2 or 3 drives having same storage as the library. But at the end of the day, robots are fun to watch.
Indeed. Spec is 20.6TB uncompressed using 36GB DLT 7000 cartridges. Still, the most storage local in any current phone is 128GB with another 128GB possible through a microSD card. Combined that is "only" 1/4th of a TB.
Samsung just announced a 15TB 2.5" SSD drive, which is more space/smaller than the 10TB 3.5" Western Digital hard disk currently on the market. So not far off from 2 or 3 drives having same storage as the library. But at the end of the day, robots are fun to watch.
I usually tell children that we named the HERO "R2". :)
On 03/07/2016 03:34 PM, Ethan via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
Indeed. Spec is 20.6TB uncompressed using 36GB DLT 7000 cartridges. Still, the most storage local in any current phone is 128GB with another 128GB possible through a microSD card. Combined that is "only" 1/4th of a TB.
Samsung just announced a 15TB 2.5" SSD drive, which is more space/smaller than the 10TB 3.5" Western Digital hard disk currently on the market. So not far off from 2 or 3 drives having same storage as the library. But at the end of the day, robots are fun to watch.
Yes. And what do the error specs and data retention times look like on those 15TB drives? ;) -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
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