Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Old Video Game Advertisements
On 8/8/22 14:11, Sentrytv via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
Many out there poo poo the idea But the same people think 80s computing is not worth their time either.
Just to jump in...I think 80s computing is/was fantastic. What rubs me the wrong way is this widespread perception that it was always only about games and nothing else. It disrespects the entire industry, its achievements, and its people to reduce the groundbreaking work that transformed society to toys for tots. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
YES Dave! On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 2:19 PM Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
On 8/8/22 14:11, Sentrytv via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
Many out there poo poo the idea But the same people think 80s computing is not worth their time either.
Just to jump in...I think 80s computing is/was fantastic. What rubs me the wrong way is this widespread perception that it was always only about games and nothing else. It disrespects the entire industry, its achievements, and its people to reduce the groundbreaking work that transformed society to toys for tots.
-Dave
-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
I kind of feel the opposite way but two people can look at a painting and have different perspectives. When I brought a bunch of SGIs to VCF and networked them and played BZFLAG and Dogfight, I got flack for that. I kept explaining how things like this were huge at the time, but nope. And if you noticed. I never demoed again... ever.. Now I go. I watch, I volunteer and clean up. But I don't really want to demo. On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 2:19 PM Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Just to jump in...I think 80s computing is/was fantastic. What rubs me the wrong way is this widespread perception that it was always only about games and nothing else. It disrespects the entire industry, its achievements, and its people to reduce the groundbreaking work that transformed society to toys for tots.
-Dave
-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
I kind of feel the opposite way but two people can look at a painting and have different perspectives. When I brought a bunch of SGIs to VCF and networked them and played BZFLAG and Dogfight, I got flack for that. I kept explaining how things like this were huge at the time, but nope. And if you noticed. I never demoed again... ever.. Now I go. I watch, I volunteer and clean up. But I don't really want to demo.
Haters! Games push technology! And war, and adulty imagery. - Ethan
Yes! Amiga HAM mode! On 8/8/2022 2:53 PM, Ethan O'Toole via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
I kind of feel the opposite way but two people can look at a painting and have different perspectives. When I brought a bunch of SGIs to VCF and networked them and played BZFLAG and Dogfight, I got flack for that. I kept explaining how things like this were huge at the time, but nope. And if you noticed. I never demoed again... ever.. Now I go. I watch, I volunteer and clean up. But I don't really want to demo.
Haters! Games push technology! And war, and adulty imagery.
- Ethan
On 8/8/22 15:54, Ethan O'Toole via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
Yes! Amiga HAM mode!
OW my eyes and that flicker headache! Who thought it was a good idea to use a TV as a computer monitor!
soda -> keyboard Can you imagine how differently the industry would've evolved if common, standard TVs had the bandwidth to handle 80-column text readably? -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
On 8/8/2022 3:58 PM, Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
On 8/8/22 15:54, Ethan O'Toole via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
Yes! Amiga HAM mode!
OW my eyes and that flicker headache! Who thought it was a good idea to use a TV as a computer monitor!
soda -> keyboard
Can you imagine how differently the industry would've evolved if common, standard TVs had the bandwidth to handle 80-column text readably?
Holy crap that would have changed everything.
-Dave
Can you imagine how differently the industry would've evolved if common, standard TVs had the bandwidth to handle 80-column text readably? -Dave
I think it might have given the TV-as-a-monitor a little bit more life, but once people started going GUI they would have still switched to higher resolution displays. I guess here in modern times it feels like all TVs are just computer monitors. - Ethan
On 8/8/2022 4:09 PM, Ethan O'Toole via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
Can you imagine how differently the industry would've evolved if common, standard TVs had the bandwidth to handle 80-column text readably? -Dave
I think it might have given the TV-as-a-monitor a little bit more life, but once people started going GUI they would have still switched to higher resolution displays. My early computer use would have been dramatically changed from 1983 to 1986-ish when I first had 80 columns on an Amiga. 40 columns stunted my work for sure! (Let alone 1981 with 20 column VIC 20! Ouch) But us poor 8 bitter guys persevered. The 1977 computers that started depended on TVs, if they had be able to do 80 columns, probably would have changed a lot with respect to adoption by the public as more viable spreadsheet and word processing application runners. And hobby software people would have been able to compose proper lines of code and comments. Might have sped up the pace of advancement of their work. I guess that 64 and 80 column text on CP/M helped those systems excel at dawn of the microcomputer. Even the tiny monitor on the Osborne 1 had 80 column with clever pan-scan feature. TRS-80 I & III even started 64 columns which was probably an advantage for them. Wonder how they wangled the bandwidth for clear 64 char text on their alleged TV monitor?
I guess here in modern times it feels like all TVs are just computer monitors.
Yes they pretty much are!
- Ethan
I’m guessing the direct luma-only video connection with no multiplexed sound. Probably would have worked with an A8 and C64 as well. On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 4:47 PM Douglas Crawford via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
On 8/8/2022 4:09 PM, Ethan O'Toole via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
Can you imagine how differently the industry would've evolved if common, standard TVs had the bandwidth to handle 80-column text readably? -Dave
I think it might have given the TV-as-a-monitor a little bit more life, but once people started going GUI they would have still switched to higher resolution displays. My early computer use would have been dramatically changed from 1983 to 1986-ish when I first had 80 columns on an Amiga. 40 columns stunted my work for sure! (Let alone 1981 with 20 column VIC 20! Ouch) But us poor 8 bitter guys persevered. The 1977 computers that started depended on TVs, if they had be able to do 80 columns, probably would have changed a lot with respect to adoption by the public as more viable spreadsheet and word processing application runners. And hobby software people would have been able to compose proper lines of code and comments. Might have sped up the pace of advancement of their work. I guess that 64 and 80 column text on CP/M helped those systems excel at dawn of the microcomputer. Even the tiny monitor on the Osborne 1 had 80 column with clever pan-scan feature. TRS-80 I & III even started 64 columns which was probably an advantage for them. Wonder how they wangled the bandwidth for clear 64 char text on their alleged TV monitor?
I guess here in modern times it feels like all TVs are just computer monitors.
Yes they pretty much are!
- Ethan
On Mon, Aug 8, 2022, 16:47 Douglas Crawford via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
...Wonder how they wangled the bandwidth for clear 64 char text on their alleged TV monitor?
64 columns is viable on NTSC hardware, 80 is just too fuzzy. It's why the A1000 had a Workbench software "switch" (default font size option essentially), between 64 and 80 columns for full-screen-width CLI windows... TV vs RGB monitor
Thanks! I didn't know that Amiga had that ability. Fortunately I sprang for the Amiga monitor. On 8/14/2022 5:38 PM, Ethan Dicks via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
On Mon, Aug 8, 2022, 16:47 Douglas Crawford via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
...Wonder how they wangled the bandwidth for clear 64 char text on their alleged TV monitor?
64 columns is viable on NTSC hardware, 80 is just too fuzzy.
It's why the A1000 had a Workbench software "switch" (default font size option essentially), between 64 and 80 columns for full-screen-width CLI windows... TV vs RGB monitor
Right! but we had to get 4096 colors! You know, proper gradients of king tuts gold mask and uh... skin tones. On 8/8/2022 3:54 PM, Ethan O'Toole wrote:
Yes! Amiga HAM mode!
OW my eyes and that flicker headache! Who thought it was a good idea to use a TV as a computer monitor!
- Ethan
well, more like 15khz - even the RGB monitors had wicked flicker....
On Aug 8, 2022, at 3:54 PM, Ethan O'Toole via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Yes! Amiga HAM mode!
OW my eyes and that flicker headache! Who thought it was a good idea to use a TV as a computer monitor!
- Ethan
Thanks for the information, can not wait to see all the stuff they have on the Starcade website. Bobby On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 04:56:42 PM EDT, Andrew Diller via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote: well, more like 15khz - even the RGB monitors had wicked flicker....
On Aug 8, 2022, at 3:54 PM, Ethan O'Toole via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Yes! Amiga HAM mode!
OW my eyes and that flicker headache! Who thought it was a good idea to use a TV as a computer monitor!
- Ethan
On 8/8/22 14:53, Ethan O'Toole via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
I kind of feel the opposite way but two people can look at a painting and have different perspectives. When I brought a bunch of SGIs to VCF and networked them and played BZFLAG and Dogfight, I got flack for that. I kept explaining how things like this were huge at the time, but nope. And if you noticed. I never demoed again... ever.. Now I go. I watch, I volunteer and clean up. But I don't really want to demo.
Haters! Games push technology! And war, and adulty imagery.
I didn't say they didn't. The fact that games push technology says a lot about our society. (whether that's good or bad is left as an exercise to the reader ;)) But none of this suggests that it's appropriate to push the notion that everything about computing is only about games, because it isn't. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
Ethan. I can understand what Dave is saying. There were a lot of major changes in technology that most people don't think about because the 80s was the huge decade of home computing and that is a lot more well known. Apple, Atari, Commodore, Tandy, Texas Instruments were selling turnkey computers (not kits) and it was a great time for home computing. That should not take away from commercial, business and scientific computing. I appreciate that David Gesswein brings his DECs, Dave McGuire would bring some huge multi-terminal setup and Ian would find stiff I would never expect to see. That's a lot of work to keep all of that running and to bring them all the way to NJ. I know I am missing some names and please allow me some leeway. I am not trying to leave anyone out. I don't think games are the be all and end all of computing. In the same way I don't think home computing is the be all and end all of computing. If I post something about games, it is for those of us who like them. In the same way as I post something about technology in NJ. Different people have different interests. There are many of us with varying interests under the tent of vintage computing and history. If I post something, it's because some of you and not all of you may be interested. I just hope it makes someone's day. On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 2:53 PM Ethan O'Toole <telmnstr@757.org> wrote:
I kind of feel the opposite way but two people can look at a painting and have different perspectives. When I brought a bunch of SGIs to VCF and networked them and played BZFLAG and Dogfight, I got flack for that. I kept explaining how things like this were huge at the time, but nope. And if you noticed. I never demoed again... ever.. Now I go. I watch, I volunteer and clean up. But I don't really want to demo.
Haters! Games push technology! And war, and adulty imagery.
- Ethan
I'm very sorry to hear you had that experience. Please contact me off list. We cannot have valuable contributors dissuaded from exhibiting. We have to stop infighting. I don't want to hear of anyone getting crap for what they exhibit. It is a ton of work to prepare something for public exhibit. Thank you all who do it year after year. Gaming helped push the tech along in many instances. Sometimes its just the most fun and interesting way to demo hardware. Sometimes it represents innovations in software development. Spacewar on DEC Prince of Persia developed on Apple II. DOOM on NeXT. InfoCom on... everything... a marvel of the portable text game engine. You should have suffered nothing at all for your SGI exhibit. In the micromputer foundations, 1977, when Jobs and Wozniak brought the Apple I to the Atlantic City Personal Computing Trade Fair, right there adverts bold words it features "computer gaming". http://www.shiro1000.jp/hist/apple/PC76.jpg "Too boot" we even share processor technology even with the game consoles. Computers and consoles are cousins. First damn cousins. So we need to let up a bit on any close minded attitudes there too. There's a little room for all cousins. Blood relatives. On 8/8/2022 2:34 PM, Christian Liendo via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
I kind of feel the opposite way but two people can look at a painting and have different perspectives.
When I brought a bunch of SGIs to VCF and networked them and played BZFLAG and Dogfight, I got flack for that.
I kept explaining how things like this were huge at the time, but nope.
And if you noticed. I never demoed again... ever..
Now I go. I watch, I volunteer and clean up. But I don't really want to demo.
On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 2:19 PM Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Just to jump in...I think 80s computing is/was fantastic. What rubs me the wrong way is this widespread perception that it was always only about games and nothing else. It disrespects the entire industry, its achievements, and its people to reduce the groundbreaking work that transformed society to toys for tots.
-Dave
-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
On 8/8/22 15:12, Douglas Crawford via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
InfoCom on... everything... a marvel of the portable text game engine.
You're not kidding about "everything": There was even a Z-Machine implementation for the PDP-10 and PDP-11! -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
This is the main reason why I have not exhibited in the past or possibly not in the future. I’ve considered two separate exhibits, I put to much consideration into the flack or “peer pressure”. Mike Sent from: My extremely complicated, hand held electronic device.
On Aug 8, 2022, at 3:12 PM, Douglas Crawford via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
I'm very sorry to hear you had that experience. Please contact me off list. We cannot have valuable contributors dissuaded from exhibiting. We have to stop infighting. I don't want to hear of anyone getting crap for what they exhibit. It is a ton of work to prepare something for public exhibit. Thank you all who do it year after year.
Gaming helped push the tech along in many instances. Sometimes its just the most fun and interesting way to demo hardware. Sometimes it represents innovations in software development. Spacewar on DEC Prince of Persia developed on Apple II. DOOM on NeXT. InfoCom on... everything... a marvel of the portable text game engine. You should have suffered nothing at all for your SGI exhibit.
In the micromputer foundations, 1977, when Jobs and Wozniak brought the Apple I to the Atlantic City Personal Computing Trade Fair, right there adverts bold words it features "computer gaming". http://www.shiro1000.jp/hist/apple/PC76.jpg
"Too boot" we even share processor technology even with the game consoles. Computers and consoles are cousins. First damn cousins. So we need to let up a bit on any close minded attitudes there too. There's a little room for all cousins. Blood relatives.
On 8/8/2022 2:34 PM, Christian Liendo via vcf-midatlantic wrote: I kind of feel the opposite way but two people can look at a painting and have different perspectives. When I brought a bunch of SGIs to VCF and networked them and played BZFLAG and Dogfight, I got flack for that. I kept explaining how things like this were huge at the time, but nope. And if you noticed. I never demoed again... ever.. Now I go. I watch, I volunteer and clean up. But I don't really want to demo.
On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 2:19 PM Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Just to jump in...I think 80s computing is/was fantastic. What rubs me the wrong way is this widespread perception that it was always only about games and nothing else. It disrespects the entire industry, its achievements, and its people to reduce the groundbreaking work that transformed society to toys for tots.
-Dave
-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
Thank you for the heads up. Folks with similar experiences are welcome to speak up here if they would like a public awareness of their experience or contact Jeff Brace off list if they prefer private record. Again, as an exhibitor and someone with the lifeblood of mid-Atlantic at heart, I value all the fine work put into exhibits - which are the lifeblood of the festival and what makes us special. We want all the creative juices to come to bear. Not every exhibit can be a home run, but everyone brings something to the table. DC On 8/8/2022 4:15 PM, Sentrytv wrote:
This is the main reason why I have not exhibited in the past or possibly not in the future. I’ve considered two separate exhibits, I put to much consideration into the flack or “peer pressure”.
Mike
Sent from: My extremely complicated, hand held electronic device.
On Aug 8, 2022, at 3:12 PM, Douglas Crawford via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
I'm very sorry to hear you had that experience. Please contact me off list. We cannot have valuable contributors dissuaded from exhibiting. We have to stop infighting. I don't want to hear of anyone getting crap for what they exhibit. It is a ton of work to prepare something for public exhibit. Thank you all who do it year after year.
Gaming helped push the tech along in many instances. Sometimes its just the most fun and interesting way to demo hardware. Sometimes it represents innovations in software development. Spacewar on DEC Prince of Persia developed on Apple II. DOOM on NeXT. InfoCom on... everything... a marvel of the portable text game engine. You should have suffered nothing at all for your SGI exhibit.
In the micromputer foundations, 1977, when Jobs and Wozniak brought the Apple I to the Atlantic City Personal Computing Trade Fair, right there adverts bold words it features "computer gaming". http://www.shiro1000.jp/hist/apple/PC76.jpg
"Too boot" we even share processor technology even with the game consoles. Computers and consoles are cousins. First damn cousins. So we need to let up a bit on any close minded attitudes there too. There's a little room for all cousins. Blood relatives.
On 8/8/2022 2:34 PM, Christian Liendo via vcf-midatlantic wrote: I kind of feel the opposite way but two people can look at a painting and have different perspectives. When I brought a bunch of SGIs to VCF and networked them and played BZFLAG and Dogfight, I got flack for that. I kept explaining how things like this were huge at the time, but nope. And if you noticed. I never demoed again... ever.. Now I go. I watch, I volunteer and clean up. But I don't really want to demo.
On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 2:19 PM Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Just to jump in...I think 80s computing is/was fantastic. What rubs me the wrong way is this widespread perception that it was always only about games and nothing else. It disrespects the entire industry, its achievements, and its people to reduce the groundbreaking work that transformed society to toys for tots.
-Dave
-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 3:12 PM Douglas Crawford via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
When I brought a bunch of SGIs to VCF and networked them and played BZFLAG and Dogfight, I got flack for that.
I'm very sorry to hear you had that experience. Please contact me off list. We cannot have valuable contributors dissuaded from exhibiting.
Indeed!
You should have suffered nothing at all for your SGI exhibit.
Absolutely. I wasn't personally on SGI machines back in the day but not for lack of desire, it was only lack of funds. I always loved seeing them at Siggraph and other shows and *of course* there are games on powerful workstation platforms. Games are especially engaging for the casual audience at a VCF. Yes, there were "serious" apps on workstations too, but a lot of them are not something that's easy to demonstrate in 30-90 seconds. They were hard to learn then and they are hard to learn now. On top of that, in the 80s there were very few networked multi-machine games so that's special all by itself. So, Christian, let me add to the voices here of support and encouragement. SGI stuff is quirky and special. I always appreciate it when people bring some. -ethan
On 8/8/22 14:34, Christian Liendo wrote:
I kind of feel the opposite way but two people can look at a painting and have different perspectives.
Yes, absolutely. But I'm not talking about having different perspectives, I'm talking about people with one perspective completely dismissing and dissing the other perspective as if it didn't even exist. I've been guilty of this at times, but for me it's reactionary, as I generally find the reduce-all-of-computing-to-games attitude to be just about everywhere now and it does bother me.
When I brought a bunch of SGIs to VCF and networked them and played BZFLAG and Dogfight, I got flack for that.
I kept explaining how things like this were huge at the time, but nope.
I can see how you'd have gotten flack for that, but it's awful that you did. It's of course very true that people did in fact play bzflag and dogfight on those machines. But that's not what they were sold for. At work many years ago we had two very full-blown SGI 4D/25G systems. These were visualization workstations with price tags in the range of $60,000 each which were cleared and sealed for top secret processing. People absolutely did play bzflag and dogfight on them...on lunch break. That was by no means the primary purpose of those machines. This was a weapons design facility. What a lot of people don't get is that the source code for bzflag and dogfight was supplied by SGI, as these were intended to be programming examples for the graphics pipelines in the early GL (predecessor of OpenGL) implementations. So, it's not like you'd have been able to do missile plume visualization and analysis on your SGIs as a VCF demo. Even if you could've gotten the software, nobody would've understood what it was, or have been able to relate to it. But everyone can relate to bzflag and dogfight, regardless of their line of work.
And if you noticed. I never demoed again... ever..
Now I go. I watch, I volunteer and clean up. But I don't really want to demo.
:-( -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
Nice. This seems to have resolved to a good place :) I think we have had a great balance of exhibit subject areas in the past and I hope for the same in the future. Our exhibitors, our very passionate local VC hobbyists are our lifeblood. Keep it coming, folks. Thanks for all your hard work and dedication to preserving AND showing history. Want something additionally rewarding? Consider taking a few machines out to various retro kinds of fairs and science fairs. It is a gas. Chris Falla, Todd George and I have done a half dozen or so and always a hoot in a little different way than VC Festivals. Here you see how you fair with the general public. DC On 8/8/2022 3:33 PM, Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
On 8/8/22 14:34, Christian Liendo wrote:
I kind of feel the opposite way but two people can look at a painting and have different perspectives.
Yes, absolutely.
But I'm not talking about having different perspectives, I'm talking about people with one perspective completely dismissing and dissing the other perspective as if it didn't even exist. I've been guilty of this at times, but for me it's reactionary, as I generally find the reduce-all-of-computing-to-games attitude to be just about everywhere now and it does bother me.
When I brought a bunch of SGIs to VCF and networked them and played BZFLAG and Dogfight, I got flack for that.
I kept explaining how things like this were huge at the time, but nope.
I can see how you'd have gotten flack for that, but it's awful that you did.
It's of course very true that people did in fact play bzflag and dogfight on those machines. But that's not what they were sold for.
At work many years ago we had two very full-blown SGI 4D/25G systems. These were visualization workstations with price tags in the range of $60,000 each which were cleared and sealed for top secret processing. People absolutely did play bzflag and dogfight on them...on lunch break. That was by no means the primary purpose of those machines. This was a weapons design facility.
What a lot of people don't get is that the source code for bzflag and dogfight was supplied by SGI, as these were intended to be programming examples for the graphics pipelines in the early GL (predecessor of OpenGL) implementations.
So, it's not like you'd have been able to do missile plume visualization and analysis on your SGIs as a VCF demo. Even if you could've gotten the software, nobody would've understood what it was, or have been able to relate to it. But everyone can relate to bzflag and dogfight, regardless of their line of work.
And if you noticed. I never demoed again... ever..
Now I go. I watch, I volunteer and clean up. But I don't really want to demo.
:-(
-Dave
On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 11:34 AM Christian Liendo via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
I kind of feel the opposite way but two people can look at a painting and have different perspectives.
When I brought a bunch of SGIs to VCF and networked them and played BZFLAG and Dogfight, I got flack for that.
Christian and all, As the new showrunner for VCF East please know that I will offer flexibility in exhibits. Please know that you or anyone can contact me to discuss any complaints, questions, concerns or compliments. I am open to all of it. I welcome all of it. I’m always looking to improve the show. My philosophy is that the exhibits need to retain the tradition and nature of this show. Which is like a science fair to show off your stuff. Other shows are different and that is great. People come to our show (others) and expect a certain style and want it to continue that way. I offer flexibility as you can see in last year’s show with all of the variety of exhibits. For example, Jason’s phone exhibit. It wasn’t vintage computers, but I knew that the audience would welcome and love such an exhibit. I approved it because I know the audience. No one should feel hesitant about doing an exhibit ever! If it fits into what our audience will like and the style of our show, then I will approve it. I would also also like to say that I’m coming back from VCF West on a plane and asked Corey’s opinion. He said that his son saw your exhibit and got interested in vintage computers when he saw your exhibit, where he wasn’t before. Jeff Brace
I kept explaining how things like this were huge at the time, but nope.
And if you noticed. I never demoed again... ever..
Now I go. I watch, I volunteer and clean up. But I don't really want to demo.
On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 2:19 PM Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Just to jump in...I think 80s computing is/was fantastic. What rubs me the wrong way is this widespread perception that it was always only about games and nothing else. It disrespects the entire industry, its achievements, and its people to reduce the groundbreaking work that transformed society to toys for tots.
-Dave
-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
-- ========================================= Jeff Brace VCF National Board Member Chairman & Vice President Vintage Computer Festival East Showrunner Vintage Computer Federation is a 501c3 charity https://vcfed.org/ <http://www.vcfed.org/> jeffrey@vcfed.org
On Mon, 8 Aug 2022, Christian Liendo via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
I kind of feel the opposite way but two people can look at a painting and have different perspectives.
When I brought a bunch of SGIs to VCF and networked them and played BZFLAG and Dogfight, I got flack for that.
I kept explaining how things like this were huge at the time, but nope.
I often bring HP minicomputers to VCF. They're business, engineering, small and large company systems, and I try to show off software that people used back in the day. But, a certain percentage of our attendees want to see games, so I include a few. It's just a fact of modern life. It keeps a few more people interested in my exhibits. Mike Loewen mloewen@cpumagic.scol.pa.us Old Technology http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/
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