Thread needed OT: subject line prefix. On Mar 2, 2018 12:12 PM, "Joseph Oprysko via vcf-midatlantic" < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote: The quest for technology appears cyclic. All technologies go through their growing pains. Right now, one of the potentially disruptive consumer technologies is rapid prototyping, more commonly referred to as 3D printing m. 3D Printing in various forms has been a technology used by corporations and in engineering firms for years. The roots of which date back to the early 1980’s. I see the current environment around 3D printing in a consumer aspect appears to closely mimic the growth of the personal computer industry in the 70’s and 80’s. One difference I see is that in the late 70’s and early 80’s, the Open Source movement was also in its infancy, while now, a large share of the hardware and firmware involved in the current growth of 3D Printers embrace open source initiatives. But in contrast, many of the closed source 3D printer manufacturers often appear to have a more consumer friendly product. So this I suppose from a very high level is a good “test” of the open source ideology. Just as many early Linux users and developers thought that the majority of PC’s would be running open source software. (I’m intentionally separating the Personal Computers from mobile devices and infrastructure) While there are a good number of users of open source operating systems, it’s a highly splintered group, with many of the operating systems based on various major distributions of the software and operating system. The open source initiatives have forced the hands a lot of major players in various industries to embrace, or at least utilize openness in parts of their products, sometimes it may be a front end UI, sometimes the firmware or other components. Often there will be a mix of proprietary systems and open source systems to create a device. So, where will the 3D printing industry end up? What is your opinion on this? -- Normal Person: Hey, it seems that you know a lot. Geek: To be honest, it's due to all the surfing I do. Normal Person: So you go surfing? Normal Person: But I don't think that has anything to do with knowing a lot... Geek: I think that's wrong on a fundamental level. Normal Person: Huh? Huh? What?
Sorry about that, I got too involved in the writing of the post to remember to mark it OT. My bad. On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 12:17 PM Evan Koblentz <evan@vcfed.org> wrote:
Thread needed OT: subject line prefix.
On Mar 2, 2018 12:12 PM, "Joseph Oprysko via vcf-midatlantic" < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
The quest for technology appears cyclic. All technologies go through their growing pains. Right now, one of the potentially disruptive consumer technologies is rapid prototyping, more commonly referred to as 3D printing m. 3D Printing in various forms has been a technology used by corporations and in engineering firms for years. The roots of which date back to the early 1980’s.
I see the current environment around 3D printing in a consumer aspect appears to closely mimic the growth of the personal computer industry in the 70’s and 80’s.
One difference I see is that in the late 70’s and early 80’s, the Open Source movement was also in its infancy, while now, a large share of the hardware and firmware involved in the current growth of 3D Printers embrace open source initiatives.
But in contrast, many of the closed source 3D printer manufacturers often appear to have a more consumer friendly product. So this I suppose from a very high level is a good “test” of the open source ideology.
Just as many early Linux users and developers thought that the majority of PC’s would be running open source software. (I’m intentionally separating the Personal Computers from mobile devices and infrastructure) While there are a good number of users of open source operating systems, it’s a highly splintered group, with many of the operating systems based on various major distributions of the software and operating system.
The open source initiatives have forced the hands a lot of major players in various industries to embrace, or at least utilize openness in parts of their products, sometimes it may be a front end UI, sometimes the firmware or other components. Often there will be a mix of proprietary systems and open source systems to create a device.
So, where will the 3D printing industry end up?
What is your opinion on this?
-- Normal Person: Hey, it seems that you know a lot. Geek: To be honest, it's due to all the surfing I do. Normal Person: So you go surfing? Normal Person: But I don't think that has anything to do with knowing a lot... Geek: I think that's wrong on a fundamental level. Normal Person: Huh? Huh? What?
-- Normal Person: Hey, it seems that you know a lot. Geek: To be honest, it's due to all the surfing I do. Normal Person: So you go surfing? Normal Person: But I don't think that has anything to do with knowing a lot... Geek: I think that's wrong on a fundamental level. Normal Person: Huh? Huh? What?
I've likened 3D printing and in-home manufacturing in general to the exact same thing (evolution of personal computers) in my articles on the subject for various publications and even went so far as to equate what's happening right now in the 3D printing industry to the Great Videogame Crash/Computer Shakeout of 1984 in a relatively recent tweet lamenting the loss of yet another 3D printer maker ( https://twitter.com/billloguidice/status/961718062637617153). I think the big problem with 3D printing (and in-home manufacturing in general, which includes CNC, laser cutting, etc.) is that we're still at the early days of the technology on a personal level, and, no matter how user friendly some of this stuff is made (and there have been some great strides in that area), it's still well beyond what the average person can handle in terms of maintenance and troubleshooting. Once that problem is licked, making these no more troublesome than your average paper printer, I do think there will be a real place for this kind of technology in the average home. As it is, much like personal computers of the late 70s to mid 80s, it's best left for now to enthusiasts who can take the time to learn all the various ins and outs. -Bill ======================================================== Bill Loguidice, Managing Director; Armchair Arcade, Inc. <http://www.armchairarcade.com> ======================================================== Authored Books <http://www.amazon.com/Bill-Loguidice/e/B001U7W3YS/ref=ntt_dp_epwbk_1> and Film <http://www.armchairarcade.com/film>; About me and other ways to get in touch <http://about.me/billloguidice> ======================================================== On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 12:18 PM, Joseph Oprysko via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
Sorry about that, I got too involved in the writing of the post to remember to mark it OT. My bad.
On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 12:17 PM Evan Koblentz <evan@vcfed.org> wrote:
Thread needed OT: subject line prefix.
On Mar 2, 2018 12:12 PM, "Joseph Oprysko via vcf-midatlantic" < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
The quest for technology appears cyclic. All technologies go through their growing pains. Right now, one of the potentially disruptive consumer technologies is rapid prototyping, more commonly referred to as 3D printing m. 3D Printing in various forms has been a technology used by corporations and in engineering firms for years. The roots of which date back to the early 1980’s.
I see the current environment around 3D printing in a consumer aspect appears to closely mimic the growth of the personal computer industry in the 70’s and 80’s.
One difference I see is that in the late 70’s and early 80’s, the Open Source movement was also in its infancy, while now, a large share of the hardware and firmware involved in the current growth of 3D Printers embrace open source initiatives.
But in contrast, many of the closed source 3D printer manufacturers often appear to have a more consumer friendly product. So this I suppose from a very high level is a good “test” of the open source ideology.
Just as many early Linux users and developers thought that the majority of PC’s would be running open source software. (I’m intentionally separating the Personal Computers from mobile devices and infrastructure) While there are a good number of users of open source operating systems, it’s a highly splintered group, with many of the operating systems based on various major distributions of the software and operating system.
The open source initiatives have forced the hands a lot of major players in various industries to embrace, or at least utilize openness in parts of their products, sometimes it may be a front end UI, sometimes the firmware or other components. Often there will be a mix of proprietary systems and open source systems to create a device.
So, where will the 3D printing industry end up?
What is your opinion on this?
-- Normal Person: Hey, it seems that you know a lot. Geek: To be honest, it's due to all the surfing I do. Normal Person: So you go surfing? Normal Person: But I don't think that has anything to do with knowing a lot... Geek: I think that's wrong on a fundamental level. Normal Person: Huh? Huh? What?
-- Normal Person: Hey, it seems that you know a lot. Geek: To be honest, it's due to all the surfing I do. Normal Person: So you go surfing? Normal Person: But I don't think that has anything to do with knowing a lot... Geek: I think that's wrong on a fundamental level. Normal Person: Huh? Huh? What?
I’m knee deep in this right now and I can say that I went with a CNC because the 3d printers limit on materials made it pretty boring. I believe that what will likely happen is that each community local and virtual will gain a collection of manufacturers that serve particular niches of consumer needs but I don’t think there will be wide spread of ownership and desire to operate theses devices. It may be that large consumer companie's customers may have a device in their home that prints out whatever disposable what not they are buying constantly but that is the extent of the penetration I see happening. If there is a device in most people’s homes it will be as modifiable as an Apple TV. I think the personal computer market of the 70’s was unique time when the whole world was moving from an analog to a digital world. All these decades later and we have almost achieved the roadmap set out by Douglas Englebert and the “mother of all demos”. I believe we are still back filling the promise of technology and that society as whole is not at all interested in the details of technology and doesn’t really want more in there life to manage. That is just my perspective having lived the computer revolution and now building my own small run manufacturing facility. Ben
On Mar 2, 2018, at 12:32 PM, Bill Loguidice via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
I've likened 3D printing and in-home manufacturing in general to the exact same thing (evolution of personal computers) in my articles on the subject for various publications and even went so far as to equate what's happening right now in the 3D printing industry to the Great Videogame Crash/Computer Shakeout of 1984 in a relatively recent tweet lamenting the loss of yet another 3D printer maker ( https://twitter.com/billloguidice/status/961718062637617153).
I think the big problem with 3D printing (and in-home manufacturing in general, which includes CNC, laser cutting, etc.) is that we're still at the early days of the technology on a personal level, and, no matter how user friendly some of this stuff is made (and there have been some great strides in that area), it's still well beyond what the average person can handle in terms of maintenance and troubleshooting. Once that problem is licked, making these no more troublesome than your average paper printer, I do think there will be a real place for this kind of technology in the average home. As it is, much like personal computers of the late 70s to mid 80s, it's best left for now to enthusiasts who can take the time to learn all the various ins and outs.
-Bill
======================================================== Bill Loguidice, Managing Director; Armchair Arcade, Inc. <http://www.armchairarcade.com> ======================================================== Authored Books <http://www.amazon.com/Bill-Loguidice/e/B001U7W3YS/ref=ntt_dp_epwbk_1> and Film <http://www.armchairarcade.com/film>; About me and other ways to get in touch <http://about.me/billloguidice> ========================================================
On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 12:18 PM, Joseph Oprysko via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
Sorry about that, I got too involved in the writing of the post to remember to mark it OT. My bad.
On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 12:17 PM Evan Koblentz <evan@vcfed.org> wrote:
Thread needed OT: subject line prefix.
On Mar 2, 2018 12:12 PM, "Joseph Oprysko via vcf-midatlantic" < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
The quest for technology appears cyclic. All technologies go through their growing pains. Right now, one of the potentially disruptive consumer technologies is rapid prototyping, more commonly referred to as 3D printing m. 3D Printing in various forms has been a technology used by corporations and in engineering firms for years. The roots of which date back to the early 1980’s.
I see the current environment around 3D printing in a consumer aspect appears to closely mimic the growth of the personal computer industry in the 70’s and 80’s.
One difference I see is that in the late 70’s and early 80’s, the Open Source movement was also in its infancy, while now, a large share of the hardware and firmware involved in the current growth of 3D Printers embrace open source initiatives.
But in contrast, many of the closed source 3D printer manufacturers often appear to have a more consumer friendly product. So this I suppose from a very high level is a good “test” of the open source ideology.
Just as many early Linux users and developers thought that the majority of PC’s would be running open source software. (I’m intentionally separating the Personal Computers from mobile devices and infrastructure) While there are a good number of users of open source operating systems, it’s a highly splintered group, with many of the operating systems based on various major distributions of the software and operating system.
The open source initiatives have forced the hands a lot of major players in various industries to embrace, or at least utilize openness in parts of their products, sometimes it may be a front end UI, sometimes the firmware or other components. Often there will be a mix of proprietary systems and open source systems to create a device.
So, where will the 3D printing industry end up?
What is your opinion on this?
-- Normal Person: Hey, it seems that you know a lot. Geek: To be honest, it's due to all the surfing I do. Normal Person: So you go surfing? Normal Person: But I don't think that has anything to do with knowing a lot... Geek: I think that's wrong on a fundamental level. Normal Person: Huh? Huh? What?
-- Normal Person: Hey, it seems that you know a lot. Geek: To be honest, it's due to all the surfing I do. Normal Person: So you go surfing? Normal Person: But I don't think that has anything to do with knowing a lot... Geek: I think that's wrong on a fundamental level. Normal Person: Huh? Huh? What?
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