I read the list from the lists.v..c..f.org Web site, with an old version of Firefox Web browser. I am of course registered to the list but I have turned off email sends to me. This email was from my email client and constructed with correct To: and subject: "by hand". Never mind why I do this. When I read on my Web browser, Tony Bogan's email message, Wed Nov 4 14:44:51 CET 2015, from the v...c..f site, my Web browser shows the usual previous/next/messages sorted stuff, the subject line and so on. The body of the message is only An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <so and so/attachment.html> [as active link] Upon clicking the link above, my browser does NOT show an HTML document, it shows the text content of the HTML document with of course HTML tags. Now, oddly enough, when I download that HTML document and save it as a plain-text file with an HTML extension; and then "click" the file to display it under my same Web browser; the browser accepts the HTML tags and processes the HTML tags. I make no comments as I'm not qualified. Others with more knowledge can do what I've done as a diagnostic if it's useful. And of course one can access the lists.v..c..f.org Web site to see messages, some of which they may not have received by email. Herb Johnson -- Herbert R. Johnson, New Jersey USA http://www.retrotechnology.com OR .net
FYI, this was in my spam folder. On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Herb Johnson via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
I read the list from the lists.v..c..f.org Web site, with an old version of Firefox Web browser. I am of course registered to the list but I have turned off email sends to me. This email was from my email client and constructed with correct To: and subject: "by hand". Never mind why I do this.
When I read on my Web browser, Tony Bogan's email message, Wed Nov 4 14:44:51 CET 2015, from the v...c..f site, my Web browser shows the usual previous/next/messages sorted stuff, the subject line and so on. The body of the message is only
An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <so and so/attachment.html> [as active link]
Upon clicking the link above, my browser does NOT show an HTML document, it shows the text content of the HTML document with of course HTML tags.
Now, oddly enough, when I download that HTML document and save it as a plain-text file with an HTML extension; and then "click" the file to display it under my same Web browser; the browser accepts the HTML tags and processes the HTML tags.
I make no comments as I'm not qualified. Others with more knowledge can do what I've done as a diagnostic if it's useful. And of course one can access the lists.v..c..f.org Web site to see messages, some of which they may not have received by email.
Herb Johnson
-- Herbert R. Johnson, New Jersey USA http://www.retrotechnology.com OR .net
On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
FYI, this was in my spam folder.
That will keep happening until everyone gets used to whitelisting (etc).
I honestly don't think it's a whitelisting issue. I've never seen this happen on any other lists unless someone from AOL is sending email with a lot of misspellings and generally looks spammy. I wish Gmail would tell me what it thinks is spammy about the message, but just for instance, it wanted to put your latest email in my spam bin, but not your email before that. Kyle
On Wed, 4 Nov 2015, Chris Fala via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
FYI, this was in my spam folder.
On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Herb Johnson via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
I'm a little concerned about the complaints about messages ending up in someone's SPAM folder. Isn't this an end user issue? I would think it's the end user's responsibility to ensure that mailing lists or users are whitelisted. The mailing list doesn't make SPAM judgements; it's the email client on the other end, or sometimes the ISP's SMTP server. If it's the ISP SMTP server doing the SPAM rating, don't they leave the decision to the end user of what to do with it? At our university, the SMTP server attaches X-???-Spam-Hits and X-???-Spam-Flag headers, but it's up to the user whether they want to use them or not. Mike Loewen mloewen@cpumagic.scol.pa.us Old Technology http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/
It is whitelisted. On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 2:47 PM, Mike Loewen via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
On Wed, 4 Nov 2015, Chris Fala via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
FYI, this was in my spam folder.
On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Herb Johnson via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
I'm a little concerned about the complaints about messages ending up in someone's SPAM folder. Isn't this an end user issue? I would think it's the end user's responsibility to ensure that mailing lists or users are whitelisted. The mailing list doesn't make SPAM judgements; it's the email client on the other end, or sometimes the ISP's SMTP server. If it's the ISP SMTP server doing the SPAM rating, don't they leave the decision to the end user of what to do with it? At our university, the SMTP server attaches X-???-Spam-Hits and X-???-Spam-Flag headers, but it's up to the user whether they want to use them or not.
Mike Loewen mloewen@cpumagic.scol.pa.us Old Technology http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/
Then your whitelisting isn't working. On Wed, 4 Nov 2015, Chris Fala wrote:
It is whitelisted.
On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 2:47 PM, Mike Loewen via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
On Wed, 4 Nov 2015, Chris Fala via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
FYI, this was in my spam folder.
On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Herb Johnson via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
I'm a little concerned about the complaints about messages ending up in someone's SPAM folder. Isn't this an end user issue? I would think it's the end user's responsibility to ensure that mailing lists or users are whitelisted. The mailing list doesn't make SPAM judgements; it's the email client on the other end, or sometimes the ISP's SMTP server. If it's the ISP SMTP server doing the SPAM rating, don't they leave the decision to the end user of what to do with it? At our university, the SMTP server attaches X-???-Spam-Hits and X-???-Spam-Flag headers, but it's up to the user whether they want to use them or not.
Mike Loewen mloewen@cpumagic.scol.pa.us Old Technology http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/
Mike Loewen mloewen@cpumagic.scol.pa.us Old Technology http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/
Looking at the raw email, I'm seeing this: Authentication-Results: www.mailmanlists.us; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b=wGfCvLcK; dkim-atps=neutral I wonder if this is related. I'm not sure there's a good solution for this issue, but DKIM is why Yahoo often has problems with mailing lists. David
On Nov 4, 2015, at 3:02 PM, Chris Fala via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
It is whitelisted.
On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 2:47 PM, Mike Loewen via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
On Wed, 4 Nov 2015, Chris Fala via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
FYI, this was in my spam folder.
On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Herb Johnson via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
I'm a little concerned about the complaints about messages ending up in someone's SPAM folder. Isn't this an end user issue? I would think it's the end user's responsibility to ensure that mailing lists or users are whitelisted. The mailing list doesn't make SPAM judgements; it's the email client on the other end, or sometimes the ISP's SMTP server. If it's the ISP SMTP server doing the SPAM rating, don't they leave the decision to the end user of what to do with it? At our university, the SMTP server attaches X-???-Spam-Hits and X-???-Spam-Flag headers, but it's up to the user whether they want to use them or not.
Mike Loewen mloewen@cpumagic.scol.pa.us Old Technology http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/
I think the problem is very much related to this: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6201396/spf-issue-what-causes-softfail I've noticed all of the messages that are marked as spam have "Received-SPF: softfail", where the others are "Received-SPF: pass". Pretty sure that's server-side, not client-side. Kyle
Yes, that's server side On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Kyle Owen via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
I think the problem is very much related to this:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6201396/spf-issue-what-causes-softfail
I've noticed all of the messages that are marked as spam have "Received-SPF: softfail", where the others are "Received-SPF: pass".
Pretty sure that's server-side, not client-side.
Kyle
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