Did anyone hear of *JAWNCON.ORG <http://JAWNCON.ORG>* and if so are you going?
I checked out the Web site and list of talks, and the general tenor of the event. I like what I'm reading about. This year's talks are networking and telecom. It's not my primary tech interest (retrotechnology.com) but I don't mind hanging out with those techs, many of my computing friends have those interests. And I like the old-tech consideration (that's me). I'll look up the videos for this year, maybe see it next year, it's half an hour's drive away from me. I see they have a radio-amateur license workshop and testing. There was a lot of early telecom tech in vintage amateur radio: X.25 packet radio for instance. The conference developers might want to find some old-hams to talk about that work. There's a little bit of packet radio on my Web site, as it was an early use of microprocessors. Not so off topic I think. regards Herb (not a bot) Johnson -- Herbert R. Johnson, New Jersey USA https://www.retrotechnology.com OR .net preserve, recover, restore 1970's computing email: hjohnson AT retrotechnology DOT com or try later herbjohnson AT comcast DOT net
I ended up going to this on Saturday, and I will say it was a lot of fun. Plenty of vintage gear (only *slightly* vintage for this crowd, I suspect), they had a CTF involving 1990's era routers/T1s/etc. The winning entry for the DSL competition involved somebody sending 6Mbps of traffic over a pair of wet spaghetti (yes, literally they used two pieces of wet pasta). The cost was very reasonable and it is just a car drive away (i.e. no airfare required), so I would recommend to others in the area for next year. The only negative in my book was that it was on Friday/Saturday rather than Saturday/Sunday, and I couldn't miss work to go on both days. Devin On Fri, Oct 11, 2024, 9:24 PM Herbert Johnson via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Did anyone hear of *JAWNCON.ORG <http://JAWNCON.ORG>* and if so are you going?
I checked out the Web site and list of talks, and the general tenor of the event. I like what I'm reading about. This year's talks are networking and telecom. It's not my primary tech interest (retrotechnology.com) but I don't mind hanging out with those techs, many of my computing friends have those interests. And I like the old-tech consideration (that's me). I'll look up the videos for this year, maybe see it next year, it's half an hour's drive away from me.
I see they have a radio-amateur license workshop and testing. There was a lot of early telecom tech in vintage amateur radio: X.25 packet radio for instance. The conference developers might want to find some old-hams to talk about that work. There's a little bit of packet radio on my Web site, as it was an early use of microprocessors.
Not so off topic I think.
regards Herb (not a bot) Johnson
-- Herbert R. Johnson, New Jersey USA https://www.retrotechnology.com OR .net preserve, recover, restore 1970's computing email: hjohnson AT retrotechnology DOT com or try later herbjohnson AT comcast DOT net
What exactly is the ohms-per-foot of wet pasta?!? :-) On Sun, Oct 13, 2024 at 8:45 AM Devin Heitmueller via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
I ended up going to this on Saturday, and I will say it was a lot of fun. Plenty of vintage gear (only *slightly* vintage for this crowd, I suspect), they had a CTF involving 1990's era routers/T1s/etc.
The winning entry for the DSL competition involved somebody sending 6Mbps of traffic over a pair of wet spaghetti (yes, literally they used two pieces of wet pasta).
The cost was very reasonable and it is just a car drive away (i.e. no airfare required), so I would recommend to others in the area for next year.
The only negative in my book was that it was on Friday/Saturday rather than Saturday/Sunday, and I couldn't miss work to go on both days.
Devin
On Fri, Oct 11, 2024, 9:24 PM Herbert Johnson via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Did anyone hear of *JAWNCON.ORG <http://JAWNCON.ORG>* and if so are you going?
I checked out the Web site and list of talks, and the general tenor of the event. I like what I'm reading about. This year's talks are networking and telecom. It's not my primary tech interest (retrotechnology.com) but I don't mind hanging out with those techs, many of my computing friends have those interests. And I like the old-tech consideration (that's me). I'll look up the videos for this year, maybe see it next year, it's half an hour's drive away from me.
I see they have a radio-amateur license workshop and testing. There was a lot of early telecom tech in vintage amateur radio: X.25 packet radio for instance. The conference developers might want to find some old-hams to talk about that work. There's a little bit of packet radio on my Web site, as it was an early use of microprocessors.
Not so off topic I think.
regards Herb (not a bot) Johnson
-- Herbert R. Johnson, New Jersey USA https://www.retrotechnology.com OR .net preserve, recover, restore 1970's computing email: hjohnson AT retrotechnology DOT com or try later herbjohnson AT comcast DOT net
It depends on what it’s saturated with, what kind of solution? Copper sulfate, salt, any other kind of conductive solution. Sent from: My extremely complicated, hand held electronic device.
On Oct 13, 2024, at 9:54 AM, Chris Fala via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
What exactly is the ohms-per-foot of wet pasta?!? :-)
On Sun, Oct 13, 2024 at 8:45 AM Devin Heitmueller via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
I ended up going to this on Saturday, and I will say it was a lot of fun. Plenty of vintage gear (only *slightly* vintage for this crowd, I suspect), they had a CTF involving 1990's era routers/T1s/etc.
The winning entry for the DSL competition involved somebody sending 6Mbps of traffic over a pair of wet spaghetti (yes, literally they used two pieces of wet pasta).
The cost was very reasonable and it is just a car drive away (i.e. no airfare required), so I would recommend to others in the area for next year.
The only negative in my book was that it was on Friday/Saturday rather than Saturday/Sunday, and I couldn't miss work to go on both days.
Devin
On Fri, Oct 11, 2024, 9:24 PM Herbert Johnson via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Did anyone hear of *JAWNCON.ORG <http://JAWNCON.ORG>* and if so are you going?
I checked out the Web site and list of talks, and the general tenor of the event. I like what I'm reading about. This year's talks are networking and telecom. It's not my primary tech interest (retrotechnology.com) but I don't mind hanging out with those techs, many of my computing friends have those interests. And I like the old-tech consideration (that's me). I'll look up the videos for this year, maybe see it next year, it's half an hour's drive away from me.
I see they have a radio-amateur license workshop and testing. There was a lot of early telecom tech in vintage amateur radio: X.25 packet radio for instance. The conference developers might want to find some old-hams to talk about that work. There's a little bit of packet radio on my Web site, as it was an early use of microprocessors.
Not so off topic I think.
regards Herb (not a bot) Johnson
-- Herbert R. Johnson, New Jersey USA https://www.retrotechnology.com OR .net preserve, recover, restore 1970's computing email: hjohnson AT retrotechnology DOT com or try later herbjohnson AT comcast DOT net
Somehow I'm CC'd privately in this discussion, of impedance of a DSL 6MB/s line made of wet salty starch. But I'm a BSEE engineer, so there is a theoretical answer. There's a practical answer, that's likely harder to describe. Fifty years ago, I solved a similar problem, in showing how 9600 baud communications could be done on 250 feet of twisted pair telephone cable. PhD's said it would not work. I did not an analysis. I hooked up the wire spool between two terminals and started typing. I don't think a wet-pasta analysis is worth bothering with. It's simply a happenstance that the DSL traffic happened to *succeed*. "The amazing thing about a dancing bear, is not how well it dances, but that it dances at all." So enjoy the result and don't fuss about the solution. regards Herb no-bot Johnson On 10/13/2024 12:34 PM, wrote:
It depends on what it’s saturated with, what kind of solution? Copper sulfate, salt, any other kind of conductive solution.
On Oct 13, 2024, at 9:54 AM, vcf-midatlantic
What exactly is the ohms-per-foot of wet pasta?!? :-)
On Sun, Oct 13, 2024 at 8:45 AM
The winning entry for the DSL competition involved somebody sending 6Mbps of traffic over a pair of wet spaghetti (yes, literally they used two pieces of wet pasta). -- Herbert R. Johnson, New Jersey USA https://www.retrotechnology.com OR .net preserve, recover, restore 1970's computing email: hjohnson AT retrotechnology DOT com or try later herbjohnson AT comcast DOT net
two pieces of spaghetti, but put one through a manicotti and you’ve got yourself a coax line, as long as your ricotta has a decent dielectric constant.
Anyone else getting hungry now? I wonder what effect a nice marinara sauce would have... On Mon, Oct 14, 2024 at 12:14 AM Herbert Johnson via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Somehow I'm CC'd privately in this discussion, of impedance of a DSL 6MB/s line made of wet salty starch. But I'm a BSEE engineer, so there is a theoretical answer. There's a practical answer, that's likely harder to describe.
Fifty years ago, I solved a similar problem, in showing how 9600 baud communications could be done on 250 feet of twisted pair telephone cable. PhD's said it would not work. I did not an analysis. I hooked up the wire spool between two terminals and started typing.
I don't think a wet-pasta analysis is worth bothering with. It's simply a happenstance that the DSL traffic happened to *succeed*. "The amazing thing about a dancing bear, is not how well it dances, but that it dances at all."
So enjoy the result and don't fuss about the solution.
regards Herb no-bot Johnson
On 10/13/2024 12:34 PM, wrote:
It depends on what it’s saturated with, what kind of solution? Copper sulfate, salt, any other kind of conductive solution.
On Oct 13, 2024, at 9:54 AM, vcf-midatlantic
What exactly is the ohms-per-foot of wet pasta?!? :-)
On Sun, Oct 13, 2024 at 8:45 AM
The winning entry for the DSL competition involved somebody sending 6Mbps of traffic over a pair of wet spaghetti (yes, literally they used two pieces of wet pasta). -- Herbert R. Johnson, New Jersey USA https://www.retrotechnology.com OR .net preserve, recover, restore 1970's computing email: hjohnson AT retrotechnology DOT com or try later herbjohnson AT comcast DOT net
-- Bart Hirst "This signature will now be eaten up and spit out by Velociraptors."
On 10/14/24 09:21, Bart Hirst via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
two pieces of spaghetti, but put one through a manicotti and you’ve got yourself a coax line, as long as your ricotta has a decent dielectric constant.
Anyone else getting hungry now? I wonder what effect a nice marinara sauce would have...
Hmm, acidic, I think it would be more conductive. Perhaps an Aflredo sauce? Mmmmmmmmmm, Alfredo. :-), -- Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry kd2zrq@linuxha.com http://www.linuxha.com/ Main site http://linuxha.blogspot.com/ My HA Blog Author of: Linux Smart Homes For Dummies KD2ZRQ
On 10/13/24 09:54, Chris Fala via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
What exactly is the ohms-per-foot of wet pasta?!? :-)
I bet it's salt water wet. ;-) -- Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry kd2zrq@linuxha.com http://www.linuxha.com/ Main site http://linuxha.blogspot.com/ My HA Blog Author of: Linux Smart Homes For Dummies KD2ZRQ
The real trick is figuring out the characteristic impedance; you can do twisted pair with two pieces of spaghetti, but put one through a manicotti and you’ve got yourself a coax line, as long as your ricotta has a decent dielectric constant. - Dave
On Oct 13, 2024, at 09:56, Chris Fala via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
What exactly is the ohms-per-foot of wet pasta?!? :-)
On Sun, Oct 13, 2024 at 8:45 AM Devin Heitmueller via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
I ended up going to this on Saturday, and I will say it was a lot of fun. Plenty of vintage gear (only *slightly* vintage for this crowd, I suspect), they had a CTF involving 1990's era routers/T1s/etc.
The winning entry for the DSL competition involved somebody sending 6Mbps of traffic over a pair of wet spaghetti (yes, literally they used two pieces of wet pasta).
The cost was very reasonable and it is just a car drive away (i.e. no airfare required), so I would recommend to others in the area for next year.
The only negative in my book was that it was on Friday/Saturday rather than Saturday/Sunday, and I couldn't miss work to go on both days.
Devin
On Fri, Oct 11, 2024, 9:24 PM Herbert Johnson via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Did anyone hear of *JAWNCON.ORG <http://JAWNCON.ORG>* and if so are you going?
I checked out the Web site and list of talks, and the general tenor of the event. I like what I'm reading about. This year's talks are networking and telecom. It's not my primary tech interest (retrotechnology.com) but I don't mind hanging out with those techs, many of my computing friends have those interests. And I like the old-tech consideration (that's me). I'll look up the videos for this year, maybe see it next year, it's half an hour's drive away from me.
I see they have a radio-amateur license workshop and testing. There was a lot of early telecom tech in vintage amateur radio: X.25 packet radio for instance. The conference developers might want to find some old-hams to talk about that work. There's a little bit of packet radio on my Web site, as it was an early use of microprocessors.
Not so off topic I think.
regards Herb (not a bot) Johnson
-- Herbert R. Johnson, New Jersey USA https://www.retrotechnology.com OR .net preserve, recover, restore 1970's computing email: hjohnson AT retrotechnology DOT com or try later herbjohnson AT comcast DOT net
You put way too much thought into that! As you should! ;-) On Sun, Oct 13, 2024 at 7:47 PM David Riley <fraveydank@gmail.com> wrote:
The real trick is figuring out the characteristic impedance; you can do twisted pair with two pieces of spaghetti, but put one through a manicotti and you’ve got yourself a coax line, as long as your ricotta has a decent dielectric constant.
- Dave
On Oct 13, 2024, at 09:56, Chris Fala via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
What exactly is the ohms-per-foot of wet pasta?!? :-)
On Sun, Oct 13, 2024 at 8:45 AM Devin Heitmueller via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
I ended up going to this on Saturday, and I will say it was a lot of fun. Plenty of vintage gear (only *slightly* vintage for this crowd, I suspect), they had a CTF involving 1990's era routers/T1s/etc.
The winning entry for the DSL competition involved somebody sending 6Mbps of traffic over a pair of wet spaghetti (yes, literally they used two pieces of wet pasta).
The cost was very reasonable and it is just a car drive away (i.e. no airfare required), so I would recommend to others in the area for next year.
The only negative in my book was that it was on Friday/Saturday rather than Saturday/Sunday, and I couldn't miss work to go on both days.
Devin
On Fri, Oct 11, 2024, 9:24 PM Herbert Johnson via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Did anyone hear of *JAWNCON.ORG <http://JAWNCON.ORG>* and if so are you going?
I checked out the Web site and list of talks, and the general tenor of the event. I like what I'm reading about. This year's talks are networking and telecom. It's not my primary tech interest (retrotechnology.com) but I don't mind hanging out with those techs, many of my computing friends have those interests. And I like the old-tech consideration (that's me). I'll look up the videos for this year, maybe see it next year, it's half an hour's drive away from me.
I see they have a radio-amateur license workshop and testing. There was a lot of early telecom tech in vintage amateur radio: X.25 packet radio for instance. The conference developers might want to find some old-hams to talk about that work. There's a little bit of packet radio on my Web site, as it was an early use of microprocessors.
Not so off topic I think.
regards Herb (not a bot) Johnson
-- Herbert R. Johnson, New Jersey USA https://www.retrotechnology.com OR .net preserve, recover, restore 1970's computing email: hjohnson AT retrotechnology DOT com or try later herbjohnson AT comcast DOT net
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