Re: [vcf-midatlantic] OT: modern cloud services
* > I think there are a few things we can probably agree on: > 1) "cloud computing" is a silly buzzword for saying "their computing (server) environment and equipment" as an alternative to. "your computing (server) environment and equipment". * No, I can't agree to that. "your computing (server) environment and equipment" does not the features and capabilities that would qualify them as true cloud infrastructure with elastic, on-demand, resources. You can, however, build this into your infrastructure if desired. *> (I personally think silly buzzwords like this enforce magical thinking and a lack of understanding.) > 2) There are pros and cons for both maintaining in-house servers, as well as using online cloud services. Probably some combination of both is ideal for many organizations. * Agreed *> 3) hosting all our data elsewhere gives many of us pause for many reasons.* It should. Don't trust the hype. Understand your requirements and heavily scrutinize any potential offerings. On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 2:47 PM m simons via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Ditto, about all of the stuff about not knowing as much as everybody on all the different issues related to cloud computing and why one IT department or C-level executive may make one decision over another.
I think there are a few things we can probably agree on:
1) "cloud computing" is a silly buzzword for saying "their computing (server) environment and equipment" as an alternative to. "your computing (server) environment and equipment".
(I personally think silly buzzwords like this enforce magical thinking and a lack of understanding.)
2) There are pros and cons for both maintaining in-house servers, as well as using online cloud services. Probably some combination of both is ideal for many organizations.
3) hosting all our data elsewhere gives many of us pause for many reasons.
That being said, I've got a server rack and a large stack of older servers burning a hole in my pocket looking for something good to do with them.
Any suggestions? Any interest?
--MS
*> 3) hosting all our data elsewhere gives many of us pause for many reasons.* It should. Don't trust the hype. Understand your requirements and heavily scrutinize any potential offerings.
From a total non-IT/infrastructure/what the hell is that? Perspective, the above is a key point from a business owners perspective, any business owner. In my small portion of the $260 billion cloud services world, I actually use three different services for offsite backup. Then again, I also use physical drives (both platter based and ssd) for onsite backups and offsite backups (they literally come home with me once a week) My data is valuable, especially to ME! It may not have the “value” that a large corporations data has (monetarily speaking) but it is absolutely, positively, 100% beyond a shadow of a doubt EXACTLY as important to my business as their data is to theirs. My point is there are more than two perspectives on the use, trustworthiness, value, etc etc of “the cloud” as I’m sure everyone here knows. But also that the same trust or mistrust expressed in this discussion from the corporate perspective also holds true from the small business perspective (and for me, from the personal perspective) Most of my data I couldn’t care less if it was accessed by outsiders. My brochures and schedules and clip art and all kinds of stuff is part of my daily business and even my invoices and contracts wouldn’t really hurt me if they were seen by outsiders. Not appropriate, but not the end of the world. Other info that competitors could use in business to steal customers or spots or ....you get the point..... I don’t want seen. But I need to know that whether I’m home or at work or my sister or brothers or fathers home (family business) that I could access my data if/when needed. And that in the event of a catastrophe like oh I don’t know Hurricane Sandy, where my land facilities were literally destroyed or heavily damaged, that I could access my backups and data and run my office from another location. Hence the reason I have the physical data onsite, a physical backup onsite, a physical backup offsite, and multiple cloud backups (they’re cheap when talking a hundred to two hundred gigs that a small business may never fill....plus personal stuff fits nicely too!!) so I know my data is accessible. The stuff that’s sensitive is encrypted before being uploaded to the cloud storage, for what that’s worth. I trust most things as far as I can throw them (except Evan, whom I can throw pretty far :p ) Just my take on “my computer” vs “their computer” and how I try to balance both from a small business perspective. I can’t imagine not being able to use our computers and data because our internet connection was down, let alone because someone ELSE’S internet connection was down so to speak. Tony
This: On 11/30/18 3:26 PM, Dean Notarnicola via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
Don't trust the hype. Understand your requirements and heavily scrutinize any potential offerings.
And this: On 11/30/18 4:26 PM, Christian Liendo via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
I wouldn't touch this conversation with a 10 foot pole.
...are the two smartest things said by any participant in any message in this thread. Perhaps the ONLY smart things. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
Strong agree. Cloud computing is a *real* thing that has strong similarities *and* differences from traditional server methodology, as well as significant benefits and drawbacks. Anyone who touts it as either a universal evil or a panacea is vastly oversimplifying things, and is probably trying to sell you something. I will be glad to discuss at Festivus, but this thread seems both off-topic and unnecessarily contentious for the list. - A Guy Who Does This For A Living
On Nov 30, 2018, at 16:30, Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
This:
On 11/30/18 3:26 PM, Dean Notarnicola via vcf-midatlantic wrote: Don't trust the hype. Understand your requirements and heavily scrutinize any potential offerings.
And this:
On 11/30/18 4:26 PM, Christian Liendo via vcf-midatlantic wrote: I wouldn't touch this conversation with a 10 foot pole.
...are the two smartest things said by any participant in any message in this thread.
Perhaps the ONLY smart things.
-Dave
-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
Agree with what you say, but the dig at the end “perhaps the. ONLY smart things” was unnecessary and hurtful. - a person with feelings ;) On Dec 1, 2018, 11:41 AM -0500, David Riley via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org>, wrote:
Strong agree. Cloud computing is a *real* thing that has strong similarities *and* differences from traditional server methodology, as well as significant benefits and drawbacks. Anyone who touts it as either a universal evil or a panacea is vastly oversimplifying things, and is probably trying to sell you something.
I will be glad to discuss at Festivus, but this thread seems both off-topic and unnecessarily contentious for the list.
- A Guy Who Does This For A Living
On Nov 30, 2018, at 16:30, Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
This:
On 11/30/18 3:26 PM, Dean Notarnicola via vcf-midatlantic wrote: Don't trust the hype. Understand your requirements and heavily scrutinize any potential offerings.
And this:
On 11/30/18 4:26 PM, Christian Liendo via vcf-midatlantic wrote: I wouldn't touch this conversation with a 10 foot pole.
...are the two smartest things said by any participant in any message in this thread.
Perhaps the ONLY smart things.
-Dave
-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
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