Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Ken Thompson video
It was an exaggeration. The commentator asked what to do. The show runner told them it was time to stop. Same same. They obviously wanted to continue, otherwise they wouldn’t have asked. It was readily apparent to everyone. Except you. Adam and I had DOZENS of people who were flabbergasted at the decision to stop the discussion come and complain to us at the computer/software store. It was the single biggest complaint we received at the event. Cutting them off mid sentence was not what happened, you are correct. You waited for them to ask what to do, and then cut the discussion off. Apologies for the misrepresentation to those who may not have watched the video. Tony Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 10, 2020, at 3:30 PM, Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
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Adam and I had DOZENS of people who were flabbergasted at the decision to stop the discussion come and complain to us at the computer/software store. It was the single biggest complaint we received at the event.
Okay, so let the hardcore nerds, who lack any clue about business/marketing, run your next show. I'll make popcorn and watch how that goes. I brought in friggin KEN THOMPSON. Also, from past years: Brian Kernighan, the ARPAnet director, the co-inventor of BASIC, Dan Kottke, Ted Nelson, Stewart Cheifet, Bob Frankston, Dave Ahl, Bill Mauchly, Bill Cheswick, Maris Graube, Jason Scott, Bil Herd, John Blakenbaker, Bjarne Stroustrup, Dave Walden, and Don Eyles. Your current showrunner brought the VIC-20 marketing guy. Why listen to me? I can't imagine.
Okay, so let the hardcore nerds, who lack any clue about business/marketing, run your next show. I'll make popcorn and watch how that goes
Evan, why so nasty? I thought we were talking about past, present and future and discussing things? I’m curious what business you’ve run and marketed? I wasn’t aware that writing about technology history was a qualification for business marketing but please, educate us poor souls who actually run businesses for a living. If you want to go there, I’ll gladly do it but I was hoping to keep it civil. Apparently you’re incapable of that.
I brought in friggin KEN THOMPSON.
Yes, someone suggested Ken Thompson and you made Some calls and emails. Worked out awesome, and we all congratulated you on another great score. But don’t pretend it was your idea to even reach out to Ken Thompson because we know that’s not the case. For some reason you seem to believe that pointing out a mistake or someone giving criticism is an attack on you. Had you ever actually run a business you’d know the successful ones don’t always assume they are right, take the criticism along with the acclaim with equal enthusiasm and always listen to their clients’ suggestions, even if sometimes the answer is still ‘No.’ But please, regale me with your business and marketing knowledge from decades of experience. I’m all ears.
Also, from past years: Brian Kernighan, the ARPAnet director, the co-inventor of BASIC, Dan Kottke, Ted Nelson, Stewart Cheifet, Bob Frankston, Dave Ahl, Bill Mauchly, Bill Cheswick, Maris Graube, Jason Scott, Bil Herd, John Blakenbaker, Bjarne Stroustrup, Dave Walden, and Don Eyles.
And awesome they were. No one questioned the quality of past keynote speakers, yet you keep using them as a reply to comments about other things.
Your current showrunner brought the VIC-20 marketing guy.
Why listen to me? I can't imagine.
Right, that’s who he brought. You can throw aspersions at whomever you wish and try to belittle whomever you wish. Just remember, not only is it pathetic when you attempt to show how good you were by trying to show how bad someone else is, but you can also take all the credit only because you would never allow anyone else to take any control. You belittled far more peoples ideas than welcomed them, at least in the almost 6 years I was with you at MARCH/VCF. It’s easy to say how much better you were than everyone else when no one else was allowed to do the job. Have a good night, I refuse to stoop to your level in this conversation. Tony
Yeah, just a few calls and emails ... yet Bell Labs, with all of their connections and money, couldn't get him. Perhaps I did far more behind the scenes for 15 years than most people realize.
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