Re: [vcf-midatlantic] our new museum -- micro exhibit -- pick 28!
Aaarrrgghhh -- Chris' message arrived here as an .eml attachment. WTF is causing that and how do we fix it!!?? Anyway, Chris said this: --------------------- Whats missing: Atari 400/800.. Why? I can argue that this computer is the one that pushed home users from game machines to computers. Atari designed these machines for non-hobbyist home users by putting in cartridge ports and having composite output. They sold these through SEARS. I think these are engineering marvels for the time and are very under appreciated. I know that the PET/Apple II came out earlier, but they were not targeted to home users. Yes some people purchased them for the home. They were not designed that way. The Apple II was a $1200 just for the machine and over $2000 complete. I would argue that is not targeting the Home Computer Market. The Ti99/4 came out before the Atari but at $1,150 it was not targeted at the home market.. The TI99/4a in 1981 was at $525. VIC-20 First million sold, ushered in a lot of adoption Next Workstation Ahead of it's time, HTTPd developed, Web Developed @ CERN So I think these can be removed KIM-1, Should be part of a CPU collection, which I think the museum should have. IBM PC Jr., I don't see the significance HP-85B, I don't see the significance Our homebrewed "Dudley" PDP-8 clone. N Apple Mac Portable, there were earlier laptops SWTPC 6800 --------------------- My comments:
Atari 400/800 ... They sold these through SEARS.
Good point.
I know that the PET/Apple II came out earlier, but they were not targeted to home users. Yes some people purchased them for the home. They were not designed that way.
So? Exhibit isn't just about home computers. Nothing will convince us to remove the PET and Apple II. :)
The Apple II was a $1200 just for the machine and over $2000 complete. I would argue that is not targeting the Home Computer Market.
Schools, my friend!!! Apple II dominated.
Next Workstation Ahead of it's time
We don't have one.
So I think these can be removed KIM-1, Should be part of a CPU collection, which I think the museum should have.
Eventually. There won't be room for that exhibit in stage one.
IBM PC Jr., I don't see the significance
Big Blue's entry into home computing.
HP-85B, I don't see the significance
HP was a big player in engineering micros, while the home users were building Altairs and playing with BASIC .... I think we should teach this. Too many history books teach people that homebrew and hobby systems were the ONLY small computers back then. Our homebrewed "Dudley" PDP-8 clone. N As previously explained -- this is our best example, albeit technically a mini, of a desktop-sized homemade system. Got to show at least one such thing. Apple Mac Portable, there were earlier laptops Of course, I wrote a book about that. :) Maybe show something that was more of a commodity, such as (any) run-of-the-mill mid/late-1980s laptop.
On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
Aaarrrgghhh -- Chris' message arrived here as an .eml attachment. WTF is causing that and how do we fix it!!??
Is it just me, or are those only happening with Yahoo email addresses? Kyle
Aaarrrgghhh -- Chris' message arrived here as an .eml attachment. WTF is causing that and how do we fix it!!??
Is it just me, or are those only happening with Yahoo email addresses?
Interesting observation! (Vital to change the subject line. Original thread is too important.)
For me, it's anything by Tony, Christopher or Christian so far that come through as .eml attachments. Kelly
For me, it's anything by Tony, Christopher or Christian so far that come through as .eml attachments.
Kelly
There are 12 subscribers to the new list using Yahoo addresses. Nine of them haven't posted. The other three at Tony, Christopher, and Chris L. ... hmmmmmmmmmmm
Yahoo sucks maybe? On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
For me, it's anything by Tony, Christopher or Christian so far that come
through as .eml attachments.
Kelly
There are 12 subscribers to the new list using Yahoo addresses. Nine of them haven't posted. The other three at Tony, Christopher, and Chris L. ... hmmmmmmmmmmm
blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } Simple fix for me. Add me to the list with the address: thebogans@mac.com Tony Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Friday, November 6, 2015, 12:11 PM, Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
For me, it's anything by Tony, Christopher or Christian so far that come through as .eml attachments.
Kelly
There are 12 subscribers to the new list using Yahoo addresses. Nine of them haven't posted. The other three at Tony, Christopher, and Chris L. ... hmmmmmmmmmmm
I am writing in plain text. So I don't know why the mail server is flipping out. To reply to Evan.
So? Exhibit isn't just about home computers. Nothing will convince us to remove the PET and Apple II. :)
I never said remove the Apple II, I don't see my list which had the Apple II and Pet in it.
Schools, my friend!!! Apple II dominated.
Yes, that's schools. I was talking about homes. We had TRS-80s in schools and everyone I know owned a Commodore or Atari I tend to think that we forget that while the hobbyist market began home computing, a lot of history also had to do when home computers started to get big. I think this is too much overlooked. When machines started to get into non-hobbyists hands markets grew and with that so did a lot of innovation. The reality is that Atari had a market which was established with their game machines and they used that market to up sell to home computers. They also designed the system with ease of use that other systems like the PET & Apple II didn't have. The Atari was clearly designed for the home based on the following points 1. Low price point 2. Cartridge Port 3. Use of TV as monitor 4. Sold through non-computing retail outlets like Sears and other retail outlets. While the VIC and C64 fared much better. Atari did it first and I would argue started the trend.
IBM PC Jr., I don't see the significance Big Blue's entry into home computing. To me it was too little too late.
Next Workstation Ahead of it's time We don't have one.
I thought you did and just decided it was too new. That's system that the club should have.
Eventually. There won't be room for that exhibit in stage one.
I can understand that. But I think long term a section for CPUs and the progression is important.
HP-85B, I don't see the significance
HP was a big player in engineering micros, while the home users were building Altairs and playing with BASIC .... I think we should teach this. Too many history books teach people that homebrew and hobby systems were the ONLY small computers back then. Our homebrewed "Dudley" PDP-8 clone. N As previously explained -- this is our best example, albeit technically a mini, of a desktop-sized homemade system. Got to show at least one such thing. Apple Mac Portable, there were earlier laptops Of course, I wrote a book about that. :) Maybe show something that was more of a commodity, such as (any) run-of-the-mill mid/late-1980s laptop.
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Next Workstation Ahead of it's time We don't have one.
I thought you did and just decided it was too new. That's system that the club should have.
If anybody has one to donate...
I can understand that. But I think long term a section for CPUs and the progression is important.
Yes.
On 11/06/2015 02:20 PM, Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
(Accidentally replied only to Chris)
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Next Workstation Ahead of it's time We don't have one.
I thought you did and just decided it was too new. That's system that the club should have.
If anybody has one to donate...
As a matter of fact, I do have a NeXT station that I can donate. In pristine condition. It was given to me by the owner of a business that my brother worked for. They bought it for a project, never used it, and it sat. They gave it to me as a "thank you" for helping them with another project. It has the 27" monitor, black NeXT mouse, black cube, manuals -- it works great. I loaned it to a college intern who worked for me and he used it in his dorm room for a year. This thing has been sitting in my storage locker for years. I had anticipated playing with it myself but that hasn't happened and as of now I was trying to figure out what to do with it. Now that MARCH has a substantial amount of space to work with it appears that I have the solution. I still have that IBM S/38 washing-machine sized 3370 disk drive that I promised to MARCH. I need to figure out how to get that down there too. The guy who has given me space in his garage would certainly be delighted to reclaim that space. To be honest, I have any number of machines that I collected that are doing me absolutely no good that I'm going to clear out. I'll have to make a point of making a list and seeing what might be interesting to others. Barry
Next Workstation Ahead of it's time We don't have one.
I thought you did and just decided it was too new. That's system that the club should have.
If anybody has one to donate...
As a matter of fact, I do have a NeXT station that I can donate. In pristine condition.
Sweet! Thanks Barry.
I still have that IBM S/38 washing-machine sized 3370 disk drive that I promised to MARCH.
Excellent. As you know we've got a /38 computer.
I need to figure out how to get that down there too.
Where is it, geographically?
On Fri, 6 Nov 2015, Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
As a matter of fact, I do have a NeXT station that I can donate. In pristine condition.
Sweet! Thanks Barry.
I still have that IBM S/38 washing-machine sized 3370 disk drive that I promised to MARCH.
Excellent. As you know we've got a /38 computer.
I need to figure out how to get that down there too.
Where is it, geographically?
Barry is in Huntingdon, PA, about 45 minutes SSW of me. Mike Loewen mloewen@cpumagic.scol.pa.us Old Technology http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/
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Barry L. Kline -
Chris Fala -
Christian Liendo -
Evan Koblentz -
Kelly Leavitt -
Kyle Owen -
Mike Loewen -
Tony Bogan