Semi-OT: what tech gifts did you get/give?
I gave my wife a hand-crank sewing machine from Germany, probably manufactured after the turn of the 20th century. she made that identification right after unwrapping it on late Christmas Eve. http://www.retrotechnology.com/herbs_stuff/german_sewing.jpg She's very knowledgeable about pre-1950's sewing machines; I also have a clue. And I have no doubt these are "technology". They are mechanical devices with precision parts which perform mechanical computations. Herb -- Herbert R. Johnson, New Jersey USA http://www.retrotechnology.com OR .net
I gave my wife a hand-crank sewing machine from Germany, probably manufactured after the turn of the 20th century. she made that identification right after unwrapping it on late Christmas Eve. http://www.retrotechnology.com/herbs_stuff/german_sewing.jpg She's very knowledgeable about pre-1950's sewing machines; I also have a clue. And I have no doubt these are "technology". They are mechanical devices with precision parts which perform mechanical computations.
It might be possible to hook it to a computer and automate it!
Umm. I got a tDCS machine. Kind of frightening, considering it reminds me of people getting Electro-Convulsive Therapy, but low enough energy output not to cause convulsions. But supposedly can help with pain, memory, math, creative thinking, etc. depending on the placement of the electrodes. On Sunday, December 25, 2016, Ethan via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
I gave my wife a hand-crank sewing machine from Germany, probably
manufactured after the turn of the 20th century. she made that identification right after unwrapping it on late Christmas Eve. http://www.retrotechnology.com/herbs_stuff/german_sewing.jpg She's very knowledgeable about pre-1950's sewing machines; I also have a clue. And I have no doubt these are "technology". They are mechanical devices with precision parts which perform mechanical computations.
It might be possible to hook it to a computer and automate it!
-- Normal Person: Hey, it seems that you know a lot. Geek: To be honest, it's due to all the surfing I do. Normal Person: So you go surfing? Normal Person: But I don't think that has anything to do with knowing a lot... Geek: I think that's wrong on a fundamental level. Normal Person: Huh? Huh? What?
Ethan asks:
It might be possible to hook it to a computer and automate it!
...and how might you think that would be done? and *why*? ;) Evan asks:
"which perform mechanical computations" - How do you figure?
The cams and levers of the sewing mechanism to move the needle. The sweep of the bobbin under the needle and through the "loop" of thread to lock the stitch. Feed dogs which advance the cloth. These are repetitive mechanical actions which are carefully timed in sequence. They better be, or it jams up. This is not poetry; this is technical design. Evan, you asked for "tech gifts". It's even vintage. ;) We aren't used to thinking of mechanical devices of this sort as "computational". But, they perform a fixed calculation, programmed by the designer of the mechanism. Size, length, angle, belts, gears - the programming parameters and sequencers. Some of these operations can be adjusted by the user; for cloth thickness, stitch length, slack in the thread. The user controls the speed and torque. Later sewing machines have more, or less, adjustments and options. Car engines did more complicated things, responded to operating conditions. They also did them mechanically a few decades ago. Same sort of argument, maybe a more familiar one to some. [deleted: three paragraphs on analog mechanical computers, analog electrical computers, mechanical digital computers....] If that's hard to understand, well, most people don't understand their cell phones either. But those devices undoubtedly perform calculations. The notion of "computers" as programmable digital devices, is simply familiar to us late-20th century people, who grew up with "computers" as actual devices we programmed ourselves. There are other kinds of "computing" which are alien to many of us. But people born in the 21st century, will be as ignorant of "computers" and "programming" as were the original operators of my wife's hand-crank sewing machine. Many others, already are. At least with a sewing machine, I can point at the gears, levers, needle - they do stuff you can see and hear and feel. Can you point inside a smartphone, show me how the "programming" works? Happy holidays, Herb -- Herbert R. Johnson, New Jersey USA http://www.retrotechnology.com OR .net
An example of that exists in the museum. The DigiComp I there, it's a 3 bit mechanical computer. I have one as well, not sure how I could build an interface to modern digital electronics, but I'm sure it's not impossible. On Monday, December 26, 2016, Herb Johnson via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
Ethan asks:
It might be possible to hook it to a computer and automate it!
...and how might you think that would be done? and *why*? ;)
Evan asks:
"which perform mechanical computations" - How do you figure?
The cams and levers of the sewing mechanism to move the needle. The sweep of the bobbin under the needle and through the "loop" of thread to lock the stitch. Feed dogs which advance the cloth. These are repetitive mechanical actions which are carefully timed in sequence. They better be, or it jams up. This is not poetry; this is technical design.
Evan, you asked for "tech gifts". It's even vintage. ;)
We aren't used to thinking of mechanical devices of this sort as "computational". But, they perform a fixed calculation, programmed by the designer of the mechanism. Size, length, angle, belts, gears - the programming parameters and sequencers. Some of these operations can be adjusted by the user; for cloth thickness, stitch length, slack in the thread. The user controls the speed and torque. Later sewing machines have more, or less, adjustments and options.
Car engines did more complicated things, responded to operating conditions. They also did them mechanically a few decades ago. Same sort of argument, maybe a more familiar one to some.
[deleted: three paragraphs on analog mechanical computers, analog electrical computers, mechanical digital computers....]
If that's hard to understand, well, most people don't understand their cell phones either. But those devices undoubtedly perform calculations. The notion of "computers" as programmable digital devices, is simply familiar to us late-20th century people, who grew up with "computers" as actual devices we programmed ourselves. There are other kinds of "computing" which are alien to many of us.
But people born in the 21st century, will be as ignorant of "computers" and "programming" as were the original operators of my wife's hand-crank sewing machine. Many others, already are. At least with a sewing machine, I can point at the gears, levers, needle - they do stuff you can see and hear and feel. Can you point inside a smartphone, show me how the "programming" works?
Happy holidays,
Herb
-- Herbert R. Johnson, New Jersey USA http://www.retrotechnology.com OR .net
-- Normal Person: Hey, it seems that you know a lot. Geek: To be honest, it's due to all the surfing I do. Normal Person: So you go surfing? Normal Person: But I don't think that has anything to do with knowing a lot... Geek: I think that's wrong on a fundamental level. Normal Person: Huh? Huh? What?
Herb, sometimes, really good engineering IS poetry! :-) On Mon, Dec 26, 2016 at 5:38 PM, Herb Johnson via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
Ethan asks:
It might be possible to hook it to a computer and automate it!
...and how might you think that would be done? and *why*? ;)
Evan asks:
"which perform mechanical computations" - How do you figure?
The cams and levers of the sewing mechanism to move the needle. The sweep of the bobbin under the needle and through the "loop" of thread to lock the stitch. Feed dogs which advance the cloth. These are repetitive mechanical actions which are carefully timed in sequence. They better be, or it jams up. This is not poetry; this is technical design.
Evan, you asked for "tech gifts". It's even vintage. ;)
We aren't used to thinking of mechanical devices of this sort as "computational". But, they perform a fixed calculation, programmed by the designer of the mechanism. Size, length, angle, belts, gears - the programming parameters and sequencers. Some of these operations can be adjusted by the user; for cloth thickness, stitch length, slack in the thread. The user controls the speed and torque. Later sewing machines have more, or less, adjustments and options.
Car engines did more complicated things, responded to operating conditions. They also did them mechanically a few decades ago. Same sort of argument, maybe a more familiar one to some.
[deleted: three paragraphs on analog mechanical computers, analog electrical computers, mechanical digital computers....]
If that's hard to understand, well, most people don't understand their cell phones either. But those devices undoubtedly perform calculations. The notion of "computers" as programmable digital devices, is simply familiar to us late-20th century people, who grew up with "computers" as actual devices we programmed ourselves. There are other kinds of "computing" which are alien to many of us.
But people born in the 21st century, will be as ignorant of "computers" and "programming" as were the original operators of my wife's hand-crank sewing machine. Many others, already are. At least with a sewing machine, I can point at the gears, levers, needle - they do stuff you can see and hear and feel. Can you point inside a smartphone, show me how the "programming" works?
Happy holidays,
Herb
-- Herbert R. Johnson, New Jersey USA http://www.retrotechnology.com OR .net
Gave my Nephew a Famicom Mini. Guess he will have to learn Japanese. corey cohen uǝɥoɔ ʎǝɹoɔ
On Dec 27, 2016, at 12:11 PM, Chris Fala via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
Herb, sometimes, really good engineering IS poetry! :-)
On Mon, Dec 26, 2016 at 5:38 PM, Herb Johnson via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
Ethan asks:
It might be possible to hook it to a computer and automate it!
...and how might you think that would be done? and *why*? ;)
Evan asks:
"which perform mechanical computations" - How do you figure?
The cams and levers of the sewing mechanism to move the needle. The sweep of the bobbin under the needle and through the "loop" of thread to lock the stitch. Feed dogs which advance the cloth. These are repetitive mechanical actions which are carefully timed in sequence. They better be, or it jams up. This is not poetry; this is technical design.
Evan, you asked for "tech gifts". It's even vintage. ;)
We aren't used to thinking of mechanical devices of this sort as "computational". But, they perform a fixed calculation, programmed by the designer of the mechanism. Size, length, angle, belts, gears - the programming parameters and sequencers. Some of these operations can be adjusted by the user; for cloth thickness, stitch length, slack in the thread. The user controls the speed and torque. Later sewing machines have more, or less, adjustments and options.
Car engines did more complicated things, responded to operating conditions. They also did them mechanically a few decades ago. Same sort of argument, maybe a more familiar one to some.
[deleted: three paragraphs on analog mechanical computers, analog electrical computers, mechanical digital computers....]
If that's hard to understand, well, most people don't understand their cell phones either. But those devices undoubtedly perform calculations. The notion of "computers" as programmable digital devices, is simply familiar to us late-20th century people, who grew up with "computers" as actual devices we programmed ourselves. There are other kinds of "computing" which are alien to many of us.
But people born in the 21st century, will be as ignorant of "computers" and "programming" as were the original operators of my wife's hand-crank sewing machine. Many others, already are. At least with a sewing machine, I can point at the gears, levers, needle - they do stuff you can see and hear and feel. Can you point inside a smartphone, show me how the "programming" works?
Happy holidays,
Herb
-- Herbert R. Johnson, New Jersey USA http://www.retrotechnology.com OR .net
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