Re: [vcf-midatlantic] vcf-midatlantic Digest, Vol 38, Issue 20 - a digest with NO vintage content
Alex, Hey, I’m trying to decide if I should sound off on this…. The VCF-midatlantic mail list seems to achieved a sort-of milestone. I got an entire daily digest of non-vintage content. I thought this list was for announcing VCF events? Or at least Vintage related? A little context: I really think communities should stay on topic, or they will start losing the interest of their members. If someone comes in new, and sees a community just blathering on, especially off-topic, it seems like just an exclusive clique. I am a big fan of signal-to-noise ratio (SNR). When you get to SNR ‘divide by zero’ error, we lose people silently who just drop away, and the Foghorn Leghorns stay on and make it worse. I’ve seen entire corporate email infrastructures crushed by reply-all storms, so I am a bit sensitive to misuse of emails and un-necessarily broadband communication. I’ve thought several times to ask Bruce to step in and state some rules / principles of the list. I would gladly help draft this, if it would help. Please let me know what you think. Thanks, Crawford On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 8:01 AM <vcf-midatlantic-request@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
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Today's Topics:
1. [OT] Cleaning a Laser printer paper pickup (Neil Cherry) 2. Re: [OT] Cleaning a Laser printer paper pickup (Kenneth Gober) 3. Re: [OT] Cleaning a Laser printer paper pickup (Jameel Akari) 4. Re: [OT] Cleaning a Laser printer paper pickup (Mike Loewen) 5. Re: [OT] Cleaning a Laser printer paper pickup (Chris Fala) 6. Re: [OT] Cleaning a Laser printer paper pickup (Bill Degnan) 7. Re: [OT] Cleaning a Laser printer paper pickup (Bruce)
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Message: 1 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 17:11:41 -0400 From: Neil Cherry <ncherry@linuxha.com> To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> Subject: [vcf-midatlantic] [OT] Cleaning a Laser printer paper pickup Message-ID: <e88dec7c-c723-e716-b685-f74d4b4b039a@linuxha.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
Sort of off topic as it's not really vintage, It's about 10 years old and I'm not about to toss a working printer. :-)
I have a working multi-function printer. The only issue is that its paper feed only partially picks up the paper then 'jams' or gets a no paper message. I'm pretty certain that the printer just needs a good cleaning (it's covered in dust). Any pointers? What works best on the pickups?
It's a Brother MFC-7860DW (Wireless).
-- Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry ncherry@linuxha.com http://www.linuxha.com/ Main site http://linuxha.blogspot.com/ My HA Blog Author of: Linux Smart Homes For Dummies
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Message: 2 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 17:14:51 -0400 From: Kenneth Gober <kgober@gmail.com> To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] [OT] Cleaning a Laser printer paper pickup Message-ID: < CANHrbpecrvJHPc-ejD84uXg+pWwXs4wMj1K9ehiYFuuQNnLGww@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
My experience with HP printers is that the rubber paper pickup roller gets hard/slick so that it doesn't pull paper properly. If you can't get new rollers for your printer, there are chemicals out there that might restore the rubber enough that it will grab paper again. I haven't ever used the chemicals because (so far) I've been able to get my hands on replacement rollers.
-ken
On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 5:12 PM Neil Cherry via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Sort of off topic as it's not really vintage, It's about 10 years old and I'm not about to toss a working printer. :-)
I have a working multi-function printer. The only issue is that its paper feed only partially picks up the paper then 'jams' or gets a no paper message. I'm pretty certain that the printer just needs a good cleaning (it's covered in dust). Any pointers? What works best on the pickups?
It's a Brother MFC-7860DW (Wireless).
-- Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry ncherry@linuxha.com http://www.linuxha.com/ Main site http://linuxha.blogspot.com/ My HA Blog Author of: Linux Smart Homes For Dummies
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Message: 3 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 17:36:24 -0400 From: Jameel Akari <jakari@bithose.com> To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] [OT] Cleaning a Laser printer paper pickup Message-ID: <B1F60981-0B89-47EC-8873-24F4986722D2@bithose.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Rubbing alcohol (70% isopropyl) on a swab might be enough. If they?re glazed over, replacement is needed. I?ve used rubber restore products on paper rollers in the past and it?s hit or miss.
See if Brother has a ?maintenance kit? for this model. If it?s a more office-y commercial model they might.
-- Jameel Akari
On Jul 20, 2021, at 5:15 PM, Kenneth Gober via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
?My experience with HP printers is that the rubber paper pickup roller gets hard/slick so that it doesn't pull paper properly. If you can't get new rollers for your printer, there are chemicals out there that might restore the rubber enough that it will grab paper again. I haven't ever used the chemicals because (so far) I've been able to get my hands on replacement rollers.
-ken
On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 5:12 PM Neil Cherry via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Sort of off topic as it's not really vintage, It's about 10 years old and I'm not about to toss a working printer. :-)
I have a working multi-function printer. The only issue is that its paper feed only partially picks up the paper then 'jams' or gets a no paper message. I'm pretty certain that the printer just needs a good cleaning (it's covered in dust). Any pointers? What works best on the pickups?
It's a Brother MFC-7860DW (Wireless).
-- Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry ncherry@linuxha.com http://www.linuxha.com/ Main site http://linuxha.blogspot.com/ My HA Blog Author of: Linux Smart Homes For Dummies
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Message: 4 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 17:50:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Loewen <mloewen@cpumagic.scol.pa.us> To: Jameel Akari via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] [OT] Cleaning a Laser printer paper pickup Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.21.2107201748500.28803@cpumagic.137clearview.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
I use Techspray Roller Rejuvenator (#1612) on printers, tape drives and keypunches.
https://www.techspray.com/content/msds/TS-1612_ENG_TDS.pdf
Mike Loewen mloewen@cpumagic.scol.pa.us Old Technology http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/
On Tue, 20 Jul 2021, Jameel Akari via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
Rubbing alcohol (70% isopropyl) on a swab might be enough. If they?re glazed over, replacement is needed. I?ve used rubber restore products on paper rollers in the past and it?s hit or miss.
See if Brother has a ?maintenance kit? for this model. If it?s a more office-y commercial model they might.
-- Jameel Akari
On Jul 20, 2021, at 5:15 PM, Kenneth Gober via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
?My experience with HP printers is that the rubber paper pickup roller gets hard/slick so that it doesn't pull paper properly. If you can't get new rollers for your printer, there are chemicals out there that might restore the rubber enough that it will grab paper again. I haven't ever used the chemicals because (so far) I've been able to get my hands on replacement rollers.
-ken
On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 5:12 PM Neil Cherry via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Sort of off topic as it's not really vintage, It's about 10 years old and I'm not about to toss a working printer. :-)
I have a working multi-function printer. The only issue is that its paper feed only partially picks up the paper then 'jams' or gets a no paper message. I'm pretty certain that the printer just needs a good cleaning (it's covered in dust). Any pointers? What works best on the pickups?
It's a Brother MFC-7860DW (Wireless).
-- Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry ncherry@linuxha.com http://www.linuxha.com/ Main site http://linuxha.blogspot.com/ My HA Blog Author of: Linux Smart Homes For Dummies k
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Message: 5 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 19:01:21 -0400 From: Chris Fala <chrisjpf33@gmail.com> To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] [OT] Cleaning a Laser printer paper pickup Message-ID: < CAJCHokjpZqbvxZ_s2yhT4VH5BgJx9kCefBDtpVBepdTYJ_1RHg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
I agree completely. Those rollers just die and need to be replaced.
On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 5:15 PM Kenneth Gober via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
My experience with HP printers is that the rubber paper pickup roller gets hard/slick so that it doesn't pull paper properly. If you can't get new rollers for your printer, there are chemicals out there that might restore the rubber enough that it will grab paper again. I haven't ever used the chemicals because (so far) I've been able to get my hands on replacement rollers.
-ken
On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 5:12 PM Neil Cherry via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Sort of off topic as it's not really vintage, It's about 10 years old and I'm not about to toss a working printer. :-)
I have a working multi-function printer. The only issue is that its paper feed only partially picks up the paper then 'jams' or gets a no paper message. I'm pretty certain that the printer just needs a good cleaning (it's covered in dust). Any pointers? What works best on the pickups?
It's a Brother MFC-7860DW (Wireless).
-- Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry ncherry@linuxha.com http://www.linuxha.com/ Main site http://linuxha.blogspot.com/ My HA Blog Author of: Linux Smart Homes For Dummies
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Message: 6 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 19:39:59 -0400 From: Bill Degnan <billdegnan@gmail.com> To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] [OT] Cleaning a Laser printer paper pickup Message-ID: <CABGJBuct_J2GTXKPmjfst= Yzz+OTtyrh9+dm31HMSvnXce_owQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
I have had that printer, it may not be as easy as that. I'd just move onto a different printer based on my experience with it. I don't like to give up on any hardware but this model is hard to justify given it's value. My *opinion*, but I will be curious to see how it works out.
On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 7:02 PM Chris Fala via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
I agree completely. Those rollers just die and need to be replaced.
On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 5:15 PM Kenneth Gober via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
My experience with HP printers is that the rubber paper pickup roller gets hard/slick so that it doesn't pull paper properly. If you can't get new rollers for your printer, there are chemicals out there that might restore the rubber enough that it will grab paper again. I haven't ever used the chemicals because (so far) I've been able to get my hands on replacement rollers.
-ken
On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 5:12 PM Neil Cherry via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Sort of off topic as it's not really vintage, It's about 10 years old and I'm not about to toss a working printer. :-)
I have a working multi-function printer. The only issue is that its paper feed only partially picks up the paper then 'jams' or gets a no paper message. I'm pretty certain that the printer just needs a good cleaning (it's covered in dust). Any pointers? What works best on the pickups?
It's a Brother MFC-7860DW (Wireless).
-- Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry ncherry@linuxha.com http://www.linuxha.com/ Main site http://linuxha.blogspot.com/ My HA Blog Author of: Linux Smart Homes For Dummies
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Message: 7 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 20:40:40 -0400 From: Bruce <freemab222@gmail.com> To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] [OT] Cleaning a Laser printer paper pickup Message-ID: <CAD1TJUbS3-Gtt8Om-= TUoKhdvboBLcQaX1wro0y_tCQW93DXwQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Neil,
Others have given you some tricks. Cleaning sounds like a good choice. Acetone, delicately applied with a cotton swab *might* deglaze a rubber surface, but it's a gamble (and should be done outside).
But "resurfacing" ("re-stickifying") might work if all else fails. There are several "liquid rubber" products out there that can be applied by brush or applicator stick (popsicle stick; tongue depressor) which would coat the "dry" surface and restore it. Mind you, I know of no product *intended* for that purpose, but they work anyway.
It is even possible to replace the rubber rollers with cast-in-place fresh rubber, if you can remove that shaft from the printer. I vaguely recall YouTube videos on the subject and I know of an old TAB book on casting rubber parts.
Bruce NJ
On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 7:40 PM Bill Degnan via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
I have had that printer, it may not be as easy as that. I'd just move onto a different printer based on my experience with it. I don't like to give up on any hardware but this model is hard to justify given it's value. My *opinion*, but I will be curious to see how it works out.
On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 7:02 PM Chris Fala via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
I agree completely. Those rollers just die and need to be replaced.
On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 5:15 PM Kenneth Gober via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
My experience with HP printers is that the rubber paper pickup roller gets hard/slick so that it doesn't pull paper properly. If you can't get new rollers for your printer, there are chemicals out there that might restore the rubber enough that it will grab paper again. I haven't ever used the chemicals because (so far) I've been able to get my hands on replacement rollers.
-ken
On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 5:12 PM Neil Cherry via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Sort of off topic as it's not really vintage, It's about 10 years old and I'm not about to toss a working printer. :-)
I have a working multi-function printer. The only issue is that its paper feed only partially picks up the paper then 'jams' or gets a no paper message. I'm pretty certain that the printer just needs a good cleaning (it's covered in dust). Any pointers? What works best on the pickups?
It's a Brother MFC-7860DW (Wireless).
-- Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry ncherry@linuxha.com http://www.linuxha.com/ Main site http://linuxha.blogspot.com/ My HA Blog Author of: Linux Smart Homes For Dummies
End of vcf-midatlantic Digest, Vol 38, Issue 20 ***********************************************
Folks, Sorry for the tirade. I will shut up now. Apologies, Crawford
No reason to be sorry. I get it. It's one of the reasons I hate facebook groups. Since many of us are friends and we like to talk amongst ourselves about all sorts of topics, maybe an off topic group is ok? On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 10:29 AM Crawford Griffith via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Folks,
Sorry for the tirade. I will shut up now.
Apologies, Crawford
Hello-
On Jul 21, 2021, at 10:25 AM, Crawford Griffith via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Alex,
Hey, I’m trying to decide if I should sound off on this…. The VCF-midatlantic mail list seems to achieved a sort-of milestone. I got an entire daily digest of non-vintage content. I thought this list was for announcing VCF events? Or at least Vintage related?
This list is for general VCF / vintage talk and discussion. As current membership is very loosely defined, currently the only definition of a member of VCF is that you are a subscriber to _this_ list. I hope that you feel like you can participate for almost any reason- esp if you feel like something isn't going the way it should. There is another, announce only list you may be thinking of that the VCF Board runs - as I'm not on the Board (I'm a member of the VCF Mid-Atlantic Steering Committee) I'm not exactly sure what that Board list is used for. But this list is hopefully a resource for like-minded people to talk about general vintage issues, problems, questions.. and printers.
A little context: I really think communities should stay on topic, or they will start losing the interest of their members. If someone comes in new, and sees a community just blathering on, especially off-topic, it seems like just an exclusive clique. I am a big fan of signal-to-noise ratio (SNR). When you get to SNR ‘divide by zero’ error, we lose people silently who just drop away, and the Foghorn Leghorns stay on and make it worse. I’ve seen entire corporate email infrastructures crushed by reply-all storms, so I am a bit sensitive to misuse of emails and un-necessarily broadband communication.
My personal feeling is that this list stays on topic very well, and even if it veers off every once in a while it's for good reasons. Refurbing printer rollers is really closer to our vintage wheelhouse than many many many other topics.
I’ve thought several times to ask Bruce to step in and state some rules / principles of the list. I would gladly help draft this, if it would help.
Do you mean Brace, as in Jeff Brace? If so, he is here.
Please let me know what you think.
Thanks, Crawford
-andy diller VCF Steering Cmte Member
I concur with Andy’s statements. This list has traditionally been for discusion of vintage computing, but also computing in general and other loosely related science/technology/engineering topics. If it occasionally sounds like a club it’s because there are people here are passionate about the subjects and have been around and known each other for a long time. This means that they are comfortable debating all sorts of topics that may be not razor-focused on vintage tech. Personally, I learn a lot from the varied discussions. They occasionally veer off-track, but are generally self correcting. Regards, Dean On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 11:52 AM Andrew Diller via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Hello-
On Jul 21, 2021, at 10:25 AM, Crawford Griffith via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Alex,
Hey, I’m trying to decide if I should sound off on this…. The VCF-midatlantic mail list seems to achieved a sort-of milestone. I got an entire daily digest of non-vintage content. I thought this list was for announcing VCF events? Or at least Vintage related?
This list is for general VCF / vintage talk and discussion. As current membership is very loosely defined, currently the only definition of a member of VCF is that you are a subscriber to _this_ list. I hope that you feel like you can participate for almost any reason- esp if you feel like something isn't going the way it should.
There is another, announce only list you may be thinking of that the VCF Board runs - as I'm not on the Board (I'm a member of the VCF Mid-Atlantic Steering Committee) I'm not exactly sure what that Board list is used for.
But this list is hopefully a resource for like-minded people to talk about general vintage issues, problems, questions.. and printers.
A little context: I really think communities should stay on topic, or they will start losing the interest of their members. If someone comes in new, and sees a community just blathering on, especially off-topic, it seems like just an exclusive clique. I am a big fan of signal-to-noise ratio (SNR). When you get to SNR ‘divide by zero’ error, we lose people silently who just drop away, and the Foghorn Leghorns stay on and make it worse. I’ve seen entire corporate email infrastructures crushed by reply-all storms, so I am a bit sensitive to misuse of emails and un-necessarily broadband communication.
My personal feeling is that this list stays on topic very well, and even if it veers off every once in a while it's for good reasons. Refurbing printer rollers is really closer to our vintage wheelhouse than many many many other topics.
I’ve thought several times to ask Bruce to step in and state some rules / principles of the list. I would gladly help draft this, if it would help.
Do you mean Brace, as in Jeff Brace? If so, he is here.
Please let me know what you think.
Thanks, Crawford
-andy diller VCF Steering Cmte Member
Times 3 with Andy’s comments. I totally get the desire to not go to far “off topic,” and maybe too many of us are lax in setting a subject line that begins with “OT” so others know it’s not a vintage subject. I do not get my emails from the list in digest version, but in defense of those in the conversation quoted it was one email thread, a single discussion topic from start to finish. To my eyes, it was but a single email chain from start to finish on a topic so it was easily avoided by me because I could just avoid clicking that single email in my inbox. As mentioned though, rejuvenating printer rollers goes to vintage printers quite well, the item in question just didn’t happen to be a vintage printer!! :-) Emails like yours help remind all of us to use the off topic title when appropriate and to endeavor to not stray too far afield as we respond to different discussions. Don’t ever apologize for responding to the list with concerns, ideas, griped, whatever! It’s part of what makes this list great. Tony Bogan Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 21, 2021, at 1:14 PM, Dean Notarnicola via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
I concur with Andy’s statements. This list has traditionally been for discusion of vintage computing, but also computing in general and other loosely related science/technology/engineering topics. If it occasionally sounds like a club it’s because there are people here are passionate about the subjects and have been around and known each other for a long time. This means that they are comfortable debating all sorts of topics that may be not razor-focused on vintage tech. Personally, I learn a lot from the varied discussions. They occasionally veer off-track, but are generally self correcting.
Regards, Dean
On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 11:52 AM Andrew Diller via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Hello-
On Jul 21, 2021, at 10:25 AM, Crawford Griffith via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Alex,
Hey, I’m trying to decide if I should sound off on this…. The VCF-midatlantic mail list seems to achieved a sort-of milestone. I got an entire daily digest of non-vintage content. I thought this list was for announcing VCF events? Or at least Vintage related?
This list is for general VCF / vintage talk and discussion. As current membership is very loosely defined, currently the only definition of a member of VCF is that you are a subscriber to _this_ list. I hope that you feel like you can participate for almost any reason- esp if you feel like something isn't going the way it should.
There is another, announce only list you may be thinking of that the VCF Board runs - as I'm not on the Board (I'm a member of the VCF Mid-Atlantic Steering Committee) I'm not exactly sure what that Board list is used for.
But this list is hopefully a resource for like-minded people to talk about general vintage issues, problems, questions.. and printers.
A little context: I really think communities should stay on topic, or they will start losing the interest of their members. If someone comes in new, and sees a community just blathering on, especially off-topic, it seems like just an exclusive clique. I am a big fan of signal-to-noise ratio (SNR). When you get to SNR ‘divide by zero’ error, we lose people silently who just drop away, and the Foghorn Leghorns stay on and make it worse. I’ve seen entire corporate email infrastructures crushed by reply-all storms, so I am a bit sensitive to misuse of emails and un-necessarily broadband communication.
My personal feeling is that this list stays on topic very well, and even if it veers off every once in a while it's for good reasons. Refurbing printer rollers is really closer to our vintage wheelhouse than many many many other topics.
I’ve thought several times to ask Bruce to step in and state some rules / principles of the list. I would gladly help draft this, if it would help.
Do you mean Brace, as in Jeff Brace? If so, he is here.
Please let me know what you think.
Thanks, Crawford
-andy diller VCF Steering Cmte Member
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