Does VCF at Infoage possess a Burroughs B80? Al Kossow from Bitsavers is asking. Mike Loewen mloewen@cpumagic.scol.pa.us Old Technology http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/
On 5/25/23 21:35, Mike Loewen via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
Does VCF at Infoage possess a Burroughs B80? Al Kossow from Bitsavers is asking.
There was one there at one time, mostly complete, in the "Evan Era". I don't know offhand what happened to it. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
This is what I rescued and donated to MARCH. There was never a B80, not sure what Al is talking about. He asked me too, I have docs but no hardware other than misc cards and parts. I don't believe the workstation itself was ever actually rescued it proved impossible to extract from the building. Not sure if it's still there, we ended up giving up (everyone went home and I could not move on my own!) https://vintagecomputer.net/burroughs/L7000/ Bill On Thu, May 25, 2023 at 9:37 PM Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
On 5/25/23 21:35, Mike Loewen via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
Does VCF at Infoage possess a Burroughs B80? Al Kossow from Bitsavers is asking.
There was one there at one time, mostly complete, in the "Evan Era". I don't know offhand what happened to it.
-Dave
-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
If I'm not mistaken, that's the one that I rescued, when you were deathly ill. I happened to be in town (from Florida at the time) in a truck when help was needed. The front panel (which was beautiful BTW) could've been retrieved from the building with about three people. It's a huge shame that no one went back for it. -Dave On 5/25/23 23:46, Bill Degnan via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
This is what I rescued and donated to MARCH. There was never a B80, not sure what Al is talking about. He asked me too, I have docs but no hardware other than misc cards and parts. I don't believe the workstation itself was ever actually rescued it proved impossible to extract from the building. Not sure if it's still there, we ended up giving up (everyone went home and I could not move on my own!) https://vintagecomputer.net/burroughs/L7000/ Bill
On Thu, May 25, 2023 at 9:37 PM Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
On 5/25/23 21:35, Mike Loewen via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
Does VCF at Infoage possess a Burroughs B80? Al Kossow from Bitsavers is asking.
There was one there at one time, mostly complete, in the "Evan Era". I don't know offhand what happened to it.
-Dave
-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
Univac 1219-II haul Bill On Fri, May 26, 2023, 12:03 AM Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
If I'm not mistaken, that's the one that I rescued, when you were deathly ill. I happened to be in town (from Florida at the time) in a truck when help was needed.
The front panel (which was beautiful BTW) could've been retrieved from the building with about three people. It's a huge shame that no one went back for it.
-Dave
On 5/25/23 23:46, Bill Degnan via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
This is what I rescued and donated to MARCH. There was never a B80, not sure what Al is talking about. He asked me too, I have docs but no hardware other than misc cards and parts. I don't believe the workstation itself was ever actually rescued it proved impossible to extract from the building. Not sure if it's still there, we ended up giving up (everyone went home and I could not move on my own!) https://vintagecomputer.net/burroughs/L7000/ Bill
On Thu, May 25, 2023 at 9:37 PM Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
On 5/25/23 21:35, Mike Loewen via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
Does VCF at Infoage possess a Burroughs B80? Al Kossow from Bitsavers is asking.
There was one there at one time, mostly complete, in the "Evan Era". I don't know offhand what happened to it.
-Dave
-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
Sorry...clarify...I was ill when retrieving the 1219-II, but completed the switch to.deliver the truck to Evan and he drove from Wilmingron to InfoAge as planned. The 7000 came from Newark, DE. I took the external conteoller card chassis to InfoAge. We could never move the console. No sickness involved, just brute force Bill On Fri, May 26, 2023, 6:32 AM Bill Degnan <billdegnan@gmail.com> wrote:
Univac 1219-II haul Bill
On Fri, May 26, 2023, 12:03 AM Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
If I'm not mistaken, that's the one that I rescued, when you were deathly ill. I happened to be in town (from Florida at the time) in a truck when help was needed.
The front panel (which was beautiful BTW) could've been retrieved from the building with about three people. It's a huge shame that no one went back for it.
-Dave
On 5/25/23 23:46, Bill Degnan via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
This is what I rescued and donated to MARCH. There was never a B80, not sure what Al is talking about. He asked me too, I have docs but no hardware other than misc cards and parts. I don't believe the workstation itself was ever actually rescued it proved impossible to extract from the building. Not sure if it's still there, we ended up giving up (everyone went home and I could not move on my own!) https://vintagecomputer.net/burroughs/L7000/ Bill
On Thu, May 25, 2023 at 9:37 PM Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
On 5/25/23 21:35, Mike Loewen via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
Does VCF at Infoage possess a Burroughs B80? Al Kossow from Bitsavers is asking.
There was one there at one time, mostly complete, in the "Evan Era". I don't know offhand what happened to it.
-Dave
-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
Not quite. This had nothing to do with the Univac 1219; I have no idea of when that was moved or by whom. I picked up the Burroughs L7000 processor and drive cabinet from a jewelry store in Delaware on 10/21/2009. I found the email exchange from 10/15/2009 between you, Sridhar, and I on 10/15/2009 in which we made all the plans. I didn't see any mention of your illness in that email exchange, but you were definitely not present for the pickup; I assume that part got coordinated in text messages or phone calls while I was on that (several days long) road trip from Florida to Boston and back. I found a picture in my archives (taken with my camera, according to the metadata) of the elderly woman who ran the jewelry store, posing with the L7000 CPU cabinet (which MARCH later scrapped) behind the building. She helped me get it out of the building and onto the truck; it was just her and I. Pic attached. -Dave On 5/26/23 07:42, Bill Degnan via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
Sorry...clarify...I was ill when retrieving the 1219-II, but completed the switch to.deliver the truck to Evan and he drove from Wilmingron to InfoAge as planned.
The 7000 came from Newark, DE. I took the external conteoller card chassis to InfoAge. We could never move the console. No sickness involved, just brute force
Bill
On Fri, May 26, 2023, 6:32 AM Bill Degnan <billdegnan@gmail.com> wrote:
Univac 1219-II haul Bill
On Fri, May 26, 2023, 12:03 AM Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
If I'm not mistaken, that's the one that I rescued, when you were deathly ill. I happened to be in town (from Florida at the time) in a truck when help was needed.
The front panel (which was beautiful BTW) could've been retrieved from the building with about three people. It's a huge shame that no one went back for it.
-Dave
On 5/25/23 23:46, Bill Degnan via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
This is what I rescued and donated to MARCH. There was never a B80, not sure what Al is talking about. He asked me too, I have docs but no hardware other than misc cards and parts. I don't believe the workstation itself was ever actually rescued it proved impossible to extract from the building. Not sure if it's still there, we ended up giving up (everyone went home and I could not move on my own!) https://vintagecomputer.net/burroughs/L7000/ Bill
On Thu, May 25, 2023 at 9:37 PM Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
On 5/25/23 21:35, Mike Loewen via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
Does VCF at Infoage possess a Burroughs B80? Al Kossow from Bitsavers is asking.
There was one there at one time, mostly complete, in the "Evan Era". I don't know offhand what happened to it.
-Dave
-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
Ok. I believe you. I corresponded with Al on Sunday. Al is looking for b80 documentation and other burroughs docs relating to smaller systems, his need has nothing to do with the L7000 itself and who moved it. He was just hoping maybe some docs came with the system donated. I told him I'd let him know what I have here at the museum in Kennett. Does the Fed have any relevant docs that he seeks? You can see what he does have on bitsavers.org Who at FED is the collection curator? Bill On Fri, May 26, 2023, 11:00 AM Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Not quite. This had nothing to do with the Univac 1219; I have no idea of when that was moved or by whom.
I picked up the Burroughs L7000 processor and drive cabinet from a jewelry store in Delaware on 10/21/2009. I found the email exchange from 10/15/2009 between you, Sridhar, and I on 10/15/2009 in which we made all the plans.
I didn't see any mention of your illness in that email exchange, but you were definitely not present for the pickup; I assume that part got coordinated in text messages or phone calls while I was on that (several days long) road trip from Florida to Boston and back.
I found a picture in my archives (taken with my camera, according to the metadata) of the elderly woman who ran the jewelry store, posing with the L7000 CPU cabinet (which MARCH later scrapped) behind the building. She helped me get it out of the building and onto the truck; it was just her and I. Pic attached.
-Dave
On 5/26/23 07:42, Bill Degnan via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
Sorry...clarify...I was ill when retrieving the 1219-II, but completed the switch to.deliver the truck to Evan and he drove from Wilmingron to InfoAge as planned.
The 7000 came from Newark, DE. I took the external conteoller card chassis to InfoAge. We could never move the console. No sickness involved, just brute force
Bill
On Fri, May 26, 2023, 6:32 AM Bill Degnan <billdegnan@gmail.com> wrote:
Univac 1219-II haul Bill
On Fri, May 26, 2023, 12:03 AM Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
If I'm not mistaken, that's the one that I rescued, when you were deathly ill. I happened to be in town (from Florida at the time) in a truck when help was needed.
The front panel (which was beautiful BTW) could've been retrieved from the building with about three people. It's a huge shame that no one went back for it.
-Dave
On 5/25/23 23:46, Bill Degnan via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
This is what I rescued and donated to MARCH. There was never a B80,
not
sure what Al is talking about. He asked me too, I have docs but no hardware other than misc cards and parts. I don't believe the workstation itself was ever actually rescued it proved impossible to extract from the building. Not sure if it's still there, we ended up giving up (everyone went home and I could not move on my own!) https://vintagecomputer.net/burroughs/L7000/ Bill
On Thu, May 25, 2023 at 9:37 PM Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
On 5/25/23 21:35, Mike Loewen via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > Does VCF at Infoage possess a Burroughs B80? Al Kossow from > Bitsavers is asking.
There was one there at one time, mostly complete, in the "Evan Era". I don't know offhand what happened to it.
-Dave
-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
On 5/26/23 11:23, Bill Degnan via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
I corresponded with Al on Sunday. Al is looking for b80 documentation and other burroughs docs relating to smaller systems, his need has nothing to do with the L7000 itself and who moved it. He was just hoping maybe some docs came with the system donated.
I picked up no documentation from the jewelry store, just the processor and drive cabinet.
I told him I'd let him know what I have here at the museum in Kennett. Does the Fed have any relevant docs that he seeks? You can see what he does have on bitsavers.org
LSSM's document group got the schematics up there a few days ago, and are working on the rest of the documentation now. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
On 5/26/23 11:23, Bill Degnan via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
I corresponded with Al on Sunday
<snip>
I told him I'd let him know what I have here at the museum in Kennett. Does the Fed have any relevant docs that he seeks? You can see what he does have on bitsavers.org
LSSM's document group got the schematics up there a few days ago, and are working on the rest of the documentation now.
-Dave
That's great, glad you have it. I checked and did not find anything in the expected place relating to B80, his original target system. He seemed interested in anything Burroughs that he does not have. Is Al on this message list? Bill
On Fri, 26 May 2023, Bill Degnan via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
On 5/26/23 11:23, Bill Degnan via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
I corresponded with Al on Sunday
<snip>
I told him I'd let him know what I have here at the museum in Kennett. Does the Fed have any relevant docs that he seeks? You can see what he does have on bitsavers.org
LSSM's document group got the schematics up there a few days ago, and are working on the rest of the documentation now.
-Dave
That's great, glad you have it. I checked and did not find anything in the expected place relating to B80, his original target system. He seemed interested in anything Burroughs that he does not have.
Is Al on this message list?
Al is not on this list. Mike Loewen mloewen@cpumagic.scol.pa.us Old Technology http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/
On Thu, 25 May 2023, Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
On 5/25/23 21:35, Mike Loewen via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
Does VCF at Infoage possess a Burroughs B80? Al Kossow from Bitsavers is asking.
There was one there at one time, mostly complete, in the "Evan Era". I don't know offhand what happened to it.
Other messages about the L7000 aside, can someone at Infoage confirm or deny the existence of a B80? Doug Crawford? Andy Diller? Mike Loewen mloewen@cpumagic.scol.pa.us Old Technology http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/
On 5/26/23 20:30, Mike Loewen via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
Does VCF at Infoage possess a Burroughs B80? Al Kossow from Bitsavers is asking.
There was one there at one time, mostly complete, in the "Evan Era". I don't know offhand what happened to it.
Other messages about the L7000 aside, can someone at Infoage confirm or deny the existence of a B80? Doug Crawford? Andy Diller?
Talking with Matt about it tonight, he remembered that the B80 that was on exhibit there eventually went to Connor. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 9:57 PM Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
On 5/26/23 20:30, Mike Loewen via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
Does VCF at Infoage possess a Burroughs B80? Al Kossow from Bitsavers is asking.
There was one there at one time, mostly complete, in the "Evan Era". I don't know offhand what happened to it.
Other messages about the L7000 aside, can someone at Infoage confirm or deny the existence of a B80? Doug Crawford? Andy Diller?
Talking with Matt about it tonight, he remembered that the B80 that was on exhibit there eventually went to Connor.
That sounds about right. We no longer have it from what I remember.
-Dave
-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
On Fri, 26 May 2023, Jeffrey Brace via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 9:57?PM Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
On 5/26/23 20:30, Mike Loewen via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
Does VCF at Infoage possess a Burroughs B80? Al Kossow from Bitsavers is asking.
There was one there at one time, mostly complete, in the "Evan Era". I don't know offhand what happened to it.
Other messages about the L7000 aside, can someone at Infoage confirm or deny the existence of a B80? Doug Crawford? Andy Diller?
Talking with Matt about it tonight, he remembered that the B80 that was on exhibit there eventually went to Connor.
That sounds about right. We no longer have it from what I remember.
Here are two photos of the B80 at Infoage in 2011: http://q7.neurotica.com/IMG_2219.JPG http://q7.neurotica.com/IMG_2220.JPG Connor says that isn't the one he had. So, where did this one end up? Mike Loewen mloewen@cpumagic.scol.pa.us Old Technology http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/
I will have to dig into my memory. There was some movement of the machine a few years ago. I will look at my old emails and ask others. I don't recall the specifics. On Sat, May 27, 2023 at 12:45 AM Mike Loewen via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
On Fri, 26 May 2023, Jeffrey Brace via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 9:57?PM Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
On 5/26/23 20:30, Mike Loewen via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
Does VCF at Infoage possess a Burroughs B80? Al Kossow from Bitsavers is asking.
There was one there at one time, mostly complete, in the "Evan Era". I don't know offhand what happened to it.
Other messages about the L7000 aside, can someone at Infoage confirm or deny the existence of a B80? Doug Crawford? Andy Diller?
Talking with Matt about it tonight, he remembered that the B80 that was on exhibit there eventually went to Connor.
That sounds about right. We no longer have it from what I remember.
Here are two photos of the B80 at Infoage in 2011:
http://q7.neurotica.com/IMG_2219.JPG http://q7.neurotica.com/IMG_2220.JPG
Connor says that isn't the one he had. So, where did this one end up?
Mike Loewen mloewen@cpumagic.scol.pa.us Old Technology http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/
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