Non-vintage PC Question
Hi friends, Sorry for the bandwidth. I have an oscilloscope that I am upgrading (LeCroy WaveRunner 6100) which has a PC within it and runs window 2000. I have not played with the inside of a PC since the days of the 486 so I am quite rusty here, guys! First step is to upgrade the ram. It currently has 1 RAM module with 512MB. I would like to put as much ram into this baby as possible. Probably the max would be 2G as two 1G modules. Here is a picture of the label on the one module... http://w2hx.com/x/LeCroy/WR6K/0304171610.jpg I've been reading up as much as I could on this. It appears to be DDR RAM (PC-2100) Probably DDR-266. I read the following on Wikipedia... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDR_SDRAM Size of the chip is measured in megabits<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megabits>. Most motherboards recognize only 1 GB modules if they contain 64M×8 chips (low density). If 128M×4 (high density) 1 GB modules are used, they most likely will not work. The JEDEC<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JEDEC> standard allows 128M×4 only for slower buffered/registered modules designed specifically for some servers, but some generic manufacturers do not comply.[7]<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDR_SDRAM#cite_note-7>[verification needed<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability>] It seems 2GB might be achievable as long as I use 64MB x 8 low density? So friends, can someone help me find a product on newegg, or amazon for two modules that might work for me? The next steps for this scope will be to replace the slow IDE hard drive with a PATA SSD hard drive and then upgrade the CPU (1.70 MHz Celeron) with whatever I can upgrade it to. Much appreciated! Eugene W2HX
Small update with more info. I found the documentation to my motherboard: Intel® Desktop Board D845GERG2 https://downloadmirror.intel.com/15324/eng/D845GERG2_D845GEBV2_ProductGuide_... It says the following on page 12: Main Memory ✏ NOTE To be fully compliant with all applicable Intel® SDRAM memory specifications, the board should be populated with DIMMs that support the Serial Presence Detect (SPD) data structure. If your memory modules do not support SPD, you will see a notification to this effect on the screen at power up. The BIOS will attempt to configure the memory controller for normal operation. The desktop board supports system memory as defined below: • Up to two 184-pin Double Data Rate (DDR) SDRAM Dual Inline Memory Modules (DIMMs) with gold-plated contacts. Supported memory configuration are: — DDR333: to run DDR333 memory at full speed requires an Intel Pentium 4 processor with 533 MHz front side bus frequency (FSB). DDR333 memory will run only at DDR266 speeds when using a processor with 400 MHz FSB. — DDR266: requires an Intel Pentium 4 processor with 533/400 MHz FSB, or Intel Celeron processor with 400 MHz FSB. • Unbuffered and non-registered single or double-sided DIMMs • Serial Presence Detect (SPD) memory only • Non-ECC RAM (ECC memory will run in non-ECC mode) • 2.5 V memory ✏ NOTE Desktop Board D845GERG2/D845GEBV2 has been designed to support DIMMs based on 512 Mbit technology up to 2 GB, but this technology has not been validated on these Intel desktop boards. So whatever I get, it should probably be DR333 so I can also eventually upgrade to the P4 533. Any suggestions? I hear crucial is another good website, but again, some help figuring out precisely what I need would be GREATLY appreciated! Thanks Eugene -----Original Message----- From: vcf-midatlantic [mailto:vcf-midatlantic-bounces@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org] On Behalf Of W2HX via vcf-midatlantic Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2017 5:36 PM To: vcf-midatlantic (vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org) Cc: W2HX Subject: [vcf-midatlantic] Non-vintage PC Question Hi friends, Sorry for the bandwidth. I have an oscilloscope that I am upgrading (LeCroy WaveRunner 6100) which has a PC within it and runs window 2000. I have not played with the inside of a PC since the days of the 486 so I am quite rusty here, guys! First step is to upgrade the ram. It currently has 1 RAM module with 512MB. I would like to put as much ram into this baby as possible. Probably the max would be 2G as two 1G modules. Here is a picture of the label on the one module... http://w2hx.com/x/LeCroy/WR6K/0304171610.jpg I've been reading up as much as I could on this. It appears to be DDR RAM (PC-2100) Probably DDR-266. I read the following on Wikipedia... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDR_SDRAM Size of the chip is measured in megabits<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megabits>. Most motherboards recognize only 1 GB modules if they contain 64M×8 chips (low density). If 128M×4 (high density) 1 GB modules are used, they most likely will not work. The JEDEC<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JEDEC> standard allows 128M×4 only for slower buffered/registered modules designed specifically for some servers, but some generic manufacturers do not comply.[7]<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDR_SDRAM#cite_note-7>[verification needed<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability>] It seems 2GB might be achievable as long as I use 64MB x 8 low density? So friends, can someone help me find a product on newegg, or amazon for two modules that might work for me? The next steps for this scope will be to replace the slow IDE hard drive with a PATA SSD hard drive and then upgrade the CPU (1.70 MHz Celeron) with whatever I can upgrade it to. Much appreciated! Eugene W2HX
Sorry again for the bandwidth. Quick question. I have this motherboard that has an IDE controller and an IDE hard drive. The cable is the 80 conductor kind with the notch in it. The drive is set for "cable select" The cable does not have provisions for a second hard drive. I want to make a clone of this hard drive. To do this, I have an old 40 conductor cable with no notches but connectors for two drives. Can I simply change the original drive from CS to MASTER and the new drive to SLAVE and put them both onto this "two drive cable?" The last question I have is, there is a secondary IDE connector on the motherboard. Could I leave the main drive as is, but connect the second drive to this secondary connector and do a clone that way? Any advice appreciated Eugene -----Original Message----- From: vcf-midatlantic [mailto:vcf-midatlantic-bounces@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org] On Behalf Of W2HX via vcf-midatlantic Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2017 6:13 PM To: vcf-midatlantic Cc: W2HX Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Non-vintage PC Question Small update with more info. I found the documentation to my motherboard: Intel® Desktop Board D845GERG2 https://downloadmirror.intel.com/15324/eng/D845GERG2_D845GEBV2_ProductGuide_... It says the following on page 12: Main Memory ✏ NOTE To be fully compliant with all applicable Intel® SDRAM memory specifications, the board should be populated with DIMMs that support the Serial Presence Detect (SPD) data structure. If your memory modules do not support SPD, you will see a notification to this effect on the screen at power up. The BIOS will attempt to configure the memory controller for normal operation. The desktop board supports system memory as defined below: • Up to two 184-pin Double Data Rate (DDR) SDRAM Dual Inline Memory Modules (DIMMs) with gold-plated contacts. Supported memory configuration are: — DDR333: to run DDR333 memory at full speed requires an Intel Pentium 4 processor with 533 MHz front side bus frequency (FSB). DDR333 memory will run only at DDR266 speeds when using a processor with 400 MHz FSB. — DDR266: requires an Intel Pentium 4 processor with 533/400 MHz FSB, or Intel Celeron processor with 400 MHz FSB. • Unbuffered and non-registered single or double-sided DIMMs • Serial Presence Detect (SPD) memory only • Non-ECC RAM (ECC memory will run in non-ECC mode) • 2.5 V memory ✏ NOTE Desktop Board D845GERG2/D845GEBV2 has been designed to support DIMMs based on 512 Mbit technology up to 2 GB, but this technology has not been validated on these Intel desktop boards. So whatever I get, it should probably be DR333 so I can also eventually upgrade to the P4 533. Any suggestions? I hear crucial is another good website, but again, some help figuring out precisely what I need would be GREATLY appreciated! Thanks Eugene -----Original Message----- From: vcf-midatlantic [mailto:vcf-midatlantic-bounces@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org] On Behalf Of W2HX via vcf-midatlantic Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2017 5:36 PM To: vcf-midatlantic (vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org) Cc: W2HX Subject: [vcf-midatlantic] Non-vintage PC Question Hi friends, Sorry for the bandwidth. I have an oscilloscope that I am upgrading (LeCroy WaveRunner 6100) which has a PC within it and runs window 2000. I have not played with the inside of a PC since the days of the 486 so I am quite rusty here, guys! First step is to upgrade the ram. It currently has 1 RAM module with 512MB. I would like to put as much ram into this baby as possible. Probably the max would be 2G as two 1G modules. Here is a picture of the label on the one module... http://w2hx.com/x/LeCroy/WR6K/0304171610.jpg I've been reading up as much as I could on this. It appears to be DDR RAM (PC-2100) Probably DDR-266. I read the following on Wikipedia... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDR_SDRAM Size of the chip is measured in megabits<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megabits>. Most motherboards recognize only 1 GB modules if they contain 64M×8 chips (low density). If 128M×4 (high density) 1 GB modules are used, they most likely will not work. The JEDEC<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JEDEC> standard allows 128M×4 only for slower buffered/registered modules designed specifically for some servers, but some generic manufacturers do not comply.[7]<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDR_SDRAM#cite_note-7>[verification needed<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability>] It seems 2GB might be achievable as long as I use 64MB x 8 low density? So friends, can someone help me find a product on newegg, or amazon for two modules that might work for me? The next steps for this scope will be to replace the slow IDE hard drive with a PATA SSD hard drive and then upgrade the CPU (1.70 MHz Celeron) with whatever I can upgrade it to. Much appreciated! Eugene W2HX
Maybe I'm over simplifying this, but if you have access to a Linux PC and an IDE to USB sled, I'd hook the source drive up that way, and use the DD command to make an image. Then you'd hook up the destination drive the same way and move that image to it the same way. On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 1:23 AM W2HX via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
Sorry again for the bandwidth. Quick question. I have this motherboard that has an IDE controller and an IDE hard drive. The cable is the 80 conductor kind with the notch in it. The drive is set for "cable select" The cable does not have provisions for a second hard drive. I want to make a clone of this hard drive. To do this, I have an old 40 conductor cable with no notches but connectors for two drives. Can I simply change the original drive from CS to MASTER and the new drive to SLAVE and put them both onto this "two drive cable?"
The last question I have is, there is a secondary IDE connector on the motherboard. Could I leave the main drive as is, but connect the second drive to this secondary connector and do a clone that way?
Any advice appreciated Eugene
-----Original Message----- From: vcf-midatlantic [mailto: vcf-midatlantic-bounces@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org] On Behalf Of W2HX via vcf-midatlantic Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2017 6:13 PM To: vcf-midatlantic Cc: W2HX Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Non-vintage PC Question
Small update with more info. I found the documentation to my motherboard:
Intel® Desktop Board D845GERG2
https://downloadmirror.intel.com/15324/eng/D845GERG2_D845GEBV2_ProductGuide_...
It says the following on page 12:
Main Memory ✏ NOTE To be fully compliant with all applicable Intel® SDRAM memory specifications, the board should be populated with DIMMs that support the Serial Presence Detect (SPD) data structure. If your memory modules do not support SPD, you will see a notification to this effect on the screen at power up. The BIOS will attempt to configure the memory controller for normal operation. The desktop board supports system memory as defined below: • Up to two 184-pin Double Data Rate (DDR) SDRAM Dual Inline Memory Modules (DIMMs) with gold-plated contacts. Supported memory configuration are: — DDR333: to run DDR333 memory at full speed requires an Intel Pentium 4 processor with 533 MHz front side bus frequency (FSB). DDR333 memory will run only at DDR266 speeds when using a processor with 400 MHz FSB. — DDR266: requires an Intel Pentium 4 processor with 533/400 MHz FSB, or Intel Celeron processor with 400 MHz FSB. • Unbuffered and non-registered single or double-sided DIMMs • Serial Presence Detect (SPD) memory only • Non-ECC RAM (ECC memory will run in non-ECC mode) • 2.5 V memory ✏ NOTE Desktop Board D845GERG2/D845GEBV2 has been designed to support DIMMs based on 512 Mbit technology up to 2 GB, but this technology has not been validated on these Intel desktop
boards.
So whatever I get, it should probably be DR333 so I can also eventually upgrade to the P4 533. Any suggestions? I hear crucial is another good website, but again, some help figuring out precisely what I need would be GREATLY appreciated!
Thanks
Eugene
-----Original Message----- From: vcf-midatlantic [mailto: vcf-midatlantic-bounces@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org] On Behalf Of W2HX via vcf-midatlantic Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2017 5:36 PM To: vcf-midatlantic (vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org) Cc: W2HX Subject: [vcf-midatlantic] Non-vintage PC Question
Hi friends,
Sorry for the bandwidth. I have an oscilloscope that I am upgrading (LeCroy WaveRunner 6100) which has a PC within it and runs window 2000. I have not played with the inside of a PC since the days of the 486 so I am quite rusty here, guys!
First step is to upgrade the ram. It currently has 1 RAM module with 512MB. I would like to put as much ram into this baby as possible. Probably the max would be 2G as two 1G modules. Here is a picture of the label on the one module...
http://w2hx.com/x/LeCroy/WR6K/0304171610.jpg
I've been reading up as much as I could on this. It appears to be DDR RAM (PC-2100) Probably DDR-266.
I read the following on Wikipedia...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDR_SDRAM
Size of the chip is measured in megabits< https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megabits>. Most motherboards recognize only 1 GB modules if they contain 64M×8 chips (low density). If 128M×4 (high density) 1 GB modules are used, they most likely will not work. The JEDEC< https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JEDEC> standard allows 128M×4 only for slower buffered/registered modules designed specifically for some servers, but some generic manufacturers do not comply.[7]< https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDR_SDRAM#cite_note-7>[verification needed< https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability>]
It seems 2GB might be achievable as long as I use 64MB x 8 low density?
So friends, can someone help me find a product on newegg, or amazon for two modules that might work for me?
The next steps for this scope will be to replace the slow IDE hard drive with a PATA SSD hard drive and then upgrade the CPU (1.70 MHz Celeron) with whatever I can upgrade it to.
Much appreciated!
Eugene W2HX
On Mon, Mar 06, 2017 at 09:09:39PM -0800, W2HX via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
The last question I have is, there is a secondary IDE connector on the motherboard. Could I leave the main drive as is, but connect the second drive to this secondary connector and do a clone that way?
Yes, I would use this method. Don't mess with whats working. You may need to go into the bios and enable/configure the second controller.
Eugene Perhaps you could post the chip set on the motherboard. That may help are be docs for those... Dave
-----Original Message----- From: vcf-midatlantic [mailto:vcf-midatlantic- bounces@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org] On Behalf Of W2HX via vcf- midatlantic Sent: 04 March 2017 22:36 To: vcf-midatlantic (vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org) <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> Cc: W2HX <w2hx@w2hx.com> Subject: [vcf-midatlantic] Non-vintage PC Question
Hi friends,
Sorry for the bandwidth. I have an oscilloscope that I am upgrading (LeCroy WaveRunner 6100) which has a PC within it and runs window 2000. I have not played with the inside of a PC since the days of the 486 so I am quite rusty here, guys!
First step is to upgrade the ram. It currently has 1 RAM module with 512MB. I would like to put as much ram into this baby as possible. Probably the max would be 2G as two 1G modules. Here is a picture of the label on the one module...
http://w2hx.com/x/LeCroy/WR6K/0304171610.jpg
I've been reading up as much as I could on this. It appears to be DDR RAM (PC-2100) Probably DDR-266. I read the following on Wikipedia... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDR_SDRAM
Size of the chip is measured in megabits<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megabits>. Most motherboards recognize only 1 GB modules if they contain 64M×8 chips (low density). If 128M×4 (high density) 1 GB modules are used, they most likely will not work. The JEDEC<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JEDEC> standard allows 128M×4 only for slower buffered/registered modules designed specifically for some servers, but some generic manufacturers do not comply.[7]<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDR_SDRAM#cite_note- 7>[verification needed<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability>]
It seems 2GB might be achievable as long as I use 64MB x 8 low density?
So friends, can someone help me find a product on newegg, or amazon for two modules that might work for me?
The next steps for this scope will be to replace the slow IDE hard drive with a PATA SSD hard drive and then upgrade the CPU (1.70 MHz Celeron) with whatever I can upgrade it to.
Much appreciated! Eugene W2HX
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