Applesauce - The protected disk imaging solution
It's official - Applesauce is now being offered for sale. https://www.facebook.com/groups/5251478676/permalink/10157597145223677/ For those looking to learn about Applesauce. https://wiki.reactivemicro.com/Applesauce In short - it's a preservation solution which allows raw flux images to be captured from floppy disks - protected and unprotected alike. It runs off platform via USB. It captures all floppy magnetic flux data which is a perfect preservation solution unlike cracking or other modification solutions. The original disk's contents are preserved 100% and unmodified. The protection schemes are left in place and working.
From raw images users can make .WOZ formatted files which are smaller, timing and bit correct images that can be run in emulators. Unlike other image formats one of the biggest advantage of .WOZ is the ability to produce "random bits" (correct emulation of the MC3470) which many of the Apple II protections depended on.
Henry S. Courbis Office Toll Free: (800) REACTIVE (732-2848) Office/Mobile Direct: (856) 779-1900 www.ReActiveMicro.com <http://www.ReactiveMicro.com> - Sales, Support, and News, Our Headquarters on the Internet ReActiveMicro.com/wiki - Support, Software, Manuals, and History. Create your own page today! Facebook.com/reactivemicrousa - Our Social Media Outlet and Support
Applesauce made the front page of Hacker News: https://news.ycombinator.com/ As of this email it's #12. Link goes to the Wiki page. Henry S. Courbis Office Toll Free: (800) REACTIVE (732-2848) Office/Mobile Direct: (856) 779-1900 www.ReActiveMicro.com <http://www.ReactiveMicro.com> - Sales, Support, and News, Our Headquarters on the Internet ReActiveMicro.com/wiki - Support, Software, Manuals, and History. Create your own page today! Facebook.com/reactivemicrousa - Our Social Media Outlet and Support On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 4:22 PM, Henry S. Courbis <info@reactivemicro.com> wrote:
It's official - Applesauce is now being offered for sale. https://www.facebook.com/groups/5251478676/permalink/10157597145223677/
For those looking to learn about Applesauce. https://wiki.reactivemicro.com/Applesauce
In short - it's a preservation solution which allows raw flux images to be captured from floppy disks - protected and unprotected alike. It runs off platform via USB.
It captures all floppy magnetic flux data which is a perfect preservation solution unlike cracking or other modification solutions. The original disk's contents are preserved 100% and unmodified. The protection schemes are left in place and working.
From raw images users can make .WOZ formatted files which are smaller, timing and bit correct images that can be run in emulators. Unlike other image formats one of the biggest advantage of .WOZ is the ability to produce "random bits" (correct emulation of the MC3470) which many of the Apple II protections depended on.
Henry S. Courbis
Office Toll Free: (800) REACTIVE (732-2848) Office/Mobile Direct: (856) 779-1900 www.ReActiveMicro.com <http://www.ReactiveMicro.com> - Sales, Support, and News, Our Headquarters on the Internet ReActiveMicro.com/wiki - Support, Software, Manuals, and History. Create your own page today! Facebook.com/reactivemicrousa - Our Social Media Outlet and Support
It's official - Applesauce is now being offered for sale. https://www.facebook.com/groups/5251478676/permalink/10157597145223677/
Looking at the wiki I didn't immediately notice, can it also write disk images back out to floppy? - Ethan
On 06/07/2018 03:36 PM, Ethan O'Toole via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
It's official - Applesauce is now being offered for sale. https://www.facebook.com/groups/5251478676/permalink/10157597145223677/
Looking at the wiki I didn't immediately notice, can it also write disk images back out to floppy?
From what I read, yes. It can write out the disk exactly like the original. -- Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry ncherry@linuxha.com http://www.linuxha.com/ Main site http://linuxha.blogspot.com/ My HA Blog Author of: Linux Smart Homes For Dummies
There is also a version for 3.5" disks. One thing that will not work is any disk that has a copy protection scheme the disk ][ cannot physically write, but other than that it will be able to write disks back in unmodified form. Additionally, those disks that may not be written back to actual media will still be imageable at the flux level, they will only exist in image format in their original state. There are already emulators that have been updated to work with the .woz image format and a windows version of the imaging software is in the works. Currently it is mac only (I think osX 10.11 or higher) Tony Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 7, 2018, at 4:27 PM, Neil Cherry via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
On 06/07/2018 03:36 PM, Ethan O'Toole via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
It's official - Applesauce is now being offered for sale. https://www.facebook.com/groups/5251478676/permalink/10157597145223677/ Looking at the wiki I didn't immediately notice, can it also write disk images back out to floppy?
From what I read, yes. It can write out the disk exactly like the original.
-- Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry ncherry@linuxha.com http://www.linuxha.com/ Main site http://linuxha.blogspot.com/ My HA Blog Author of: Linux Smart Homes For Dummies
Looking at the wiki I didn't immediately notice, can it also write disk images back out to floppy?
It's not really in the current scope of the project, but yes it will be possible to write back a lot of the protections. The platform is open source so others could write software more dedicated to this. The main idea however is floppies are dead and probably won't make a come back unless someone has some deep pockets and plans to have new disks made. Hardware emulators will take over and we will have at least have the original preserved. Floppies probably won't go away in the next 10 years, but more and more are failing and in increasing numbers. None are exempt from this issue. The only issue I can see with writing out images back to medium would be some companies used drives with several heads, like 20 of them. You can see the evidence of this fingerprint with some of the images. None of these units are known to exist in the wild. So these images may not be able to be written back, or if they are they may not be usable. It's unknown currently. However I'm sure someone will see this as a challenge and find a way. Doesn't exclude the dying floppy issue however. John and I are also working on a new hardware floppy emulator project which supports .WOZ files directly since none of the other projects seem to be able. More news to come on that also. Henry S. Courbis Office Toll Free: (800) REACTIVE (732-2848) Office/Mobile Direct: (856) 779-1900 www.ReActiveMicro.com <http://www.ReactiveMicro.com> - Sales, Support, and News, Our Headquarters on the Internet ReActiveMicro.com/wiki - Support, Software, Manuals, and History. Create your own page today! Facebook.com/reactivemicrousa - Our Social Media Outlet and Support On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 12:36 PM, Ethan O'Toole <telmnstr@757.org> wrote:
It's official - Applesauce is now being offered for sale.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/5251478676/permalink/10157597145223677/
Looking at the wiki I didn't immediately notice, can it also write disk images back out to floppy?
- Ethan
Hey man, floppies aren't dead! :P But seriously, I have cases of NOS Athana DSDD 5.25" media if people need it. Nice to see another open source project being made widely available. Thanks, Jonathan On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 3:31 PM, Henry S. Courbis via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
Looking at the wiki I didn't immediately notice, can it also write disk images back out to floppy?
It's not really in the current scope of the project, but yes it will be possible to write back a lot of the protections.
The platform is open source so others could write software more dedicated to this. The main idea however is floppies are dead and probably won't make a come back unless someone has some deep pockets and plans to have new disks made. Hardware emulators will take over and we will have at least have the original preserved. Floppies probably won't go away in the next 10 years, but more and more are failing and in increasing numbers. None are exempt from this issue.
The only issue I can see with writing out images back to medium would be some companies used drives with several heads, like 20 of them. You can see the evidence of this fingerprint with some of the images. None of these units are known to exist in the wild. So these images may not be able to be written back, or if they are they may not be usable. It's unknown currently. However I'm sure someone will see this as a challenge and find a way. Doesn't exclude the dying floppy issue however.
John and I are also working on a new hardware floppy emulator project which supports .WOZ files directly since none of the other projects seem to be able. More news to come on that also.
Henry S. Courbis
Office Toll Free: (800) REACTIVE (732-2848) Office/Mobile Direct: (856) 779-1900 www.ReActiveMicro.com <http://www.ReactiveMicro.com> - Sales, Support, and News, Our Headquarters on the Internet ReActiveMicro.com/wiki - Support, Software, Manuals, and History. Create your own page today! Facebook.com/reactivemicrousa - Our Social Media Outlet and Support
On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 12:36 PM, Ethan O'Toole <telmnstr@757.org> wrote:
It's official - Applesauce is now being offered for sale.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/5251478676/permalink/10157597145223677/
Looking at the wiki I didn't immediately notice, can it also write disk images back out to floppy?
- Ethan
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 8, 2018, at 4:45 PM, systems_glitch via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
Hey man, floppies aren't dead! :P But seriously, I have cases of NOS Athana DSDD 5.25" media if people need it.
Nice to see another open source project being made widely available.
Thanks, Jonathan
On Jun 8, 2018, at 4:45 PM, systems_glitch via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
Hey man, floppies aren't dead! :P But seriously, I have cases of NOS Athana DSDD 5.25" media if people need it.
Nice to see another open source project being made widely available.
Thanks, Jonathan
+1 Currently have 4000 Athana disks in packs of 50. Athana sold their remaining supply of NOS Floppies to the guy who run floppydisk.com/diskduper.com That's where my last batch came from. Tony
And the only issue is the last known run from Athana was in the mid 90's. Think Tony or someone said this in a previous thread? So even those "new" disks are already 20 years old. I know the DB19 connector has been remade a few times in the past couple years. So perhaps someone can come up with a way to make the media. The jacket could be paper of course. The media however would most likely need to be plastic and coated however. That's kind of the show stopper as far I know things. Henry S. Courbis Office Toll Free: (800) REACTIVE (732-2848) Office/Mobile Direct: (856) 779-1900 www.ReActiveMicro.com <http://www.ReactiveMicro.com> - Sales, Support, and News, Our Headquarters on the Internet ReActiveMicro.com/wiki - Support, Software, Manuals, and History. Create your own page today! Facebook.com/reactivemicrousa - Our Social Media Outlet and Support On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 2:32 PM, Tony Bogan via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 8, 2018, at 4:45 PM, systems_glitch via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
Hey man, floppies aren't dead! :P But seriously, I have cases of NOS Athana DSDD 5.25" media if people need it.
Nice to see another open source project being made widely available.
Thanks, Jonathan
On Jun 8, 2018, at 4:45 PM, systems_glitch via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
Hey man, floppies aren't dead! :P But seriously, I have cases of NOS
Athana
DSDD 5.25" media if people need it.
Nice to see another open source project being made widely available.
Thanks, Jonathan
+1
Currently have 4000 Athana disks in packs of 50.
Athana sold their remaining supply of NOS Floppies to the guy who run floppydisk.com/diskduper.com
That's where my last batch came from. Tony
Anything's obtainable as long as you're willing to pay -- and for a large enough run it's even reasonably priced. For example, I'm currently working with a US-based custom rubber parts manufacturer on new tension bands for QIC tapes. Price will be very reasonable but you have to buy 5K-10K at a time if it's an on-shelf item, or 100K at a time if it winds up being custom. It's one of those things where emulation is almost always the cost effective measure, once existing supplies have run out. Thanks, Jonathan On Sat, Jun 9, 2018 at 2:58 AM, Henry S. Courbis via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
And the only issue is the last known run from Athana was in the mid 90's. Think Tony or someone said this in a previous thread? So even those "new" disks are already 20 years old.
I know the DB19 connector has been remade a few times in the past couple years. So perhaps someone can come up with a way to make the media. The jacket could be paper of course. The media however would most likely need to be plastic and coated however. That's kind of the show stopper as far I know things.
Henry S. Courbis
Office Toll Free: (800) REACTIVE (732-2848) Office/Mobile Direct: (856) 779-1900 www.ReActiveMicro.com <http://www.ReactiveMicro.com> - Sales, Support, and News, Our Headquarters on the Internet ReActiveMicro.com/wiki - Support, Software, Manuals, and History. Create your own page today! Facebook.com/reactivemicrousa - Our Social Media Outlet and Support
On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 2:32 PM, Tony Bogan via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 8, 2018, at 4:45 PM, systems_glitch via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
Hey man, floppies aren't dead! :P But seriously, I have cases of NOS Athana DSDD 5.25" media if people need it.
Nice to see another open source project being made widely available.
Thanks, Jonathan
On Jun 8, 2018, at 4:45 PM, systems_glitch via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
Hey man, floppies aren't dead! :P But seriously, I have cases of NOS
Athana
DSDD 5.25" media if people need it.
Nice to see another open source project being made widely available.
Thanks, Jonathan
+1
Currently have 4000 Athana disks in packs of 50.
Athana sold their remaining supply of NOS Floppies to the guy who run floppydisk.com/diskduper.com
That's where my last batch came from. Tony
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