Is it wrong to get excited??
I just setup a Mac LocalTalk network, and I'm so thrilled and excited about it. Yes, it's only a Mac SE and an SE/30, each with 4mb of ram (the SE/30 originally had 8 and the SE had 1, but I played the great equalizer!). Last year at VCFeX I picked up a couple of LocalTalk adapters, even though at that time, I had no use for them. In '09 at a flea market I had picked up the 25' sealed LocalTalk cable, but finally, it all came together. Would anyone happen to have an ImageWriter ribbon re-inker? I've bought 2 different ones from online and both turned out to be "vintage" aka dry as a bone. I have 2 ribbons and could cheaply pick up some ink. I know Office Depot sells them, they are the last place I can try, but I'd like to have the option of reinking rather than wasting all of that plastic and ribbon -- Normal Person: Hey, it seems that you know a lot. Geek: To be honest, it's due to all the surfing I do. Normal Person: So you go surfing? Normal Person: But I don't think that has anything to do with knowing a lot... Geek: I think that's wrong on a fundamental level. Normal Person: Huh? Huh? What?
Too bad there's no "Like" button in email lists. ROFL On Wednesday, December 30, 2015, Douglas Crawford via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
On 12/30/2015 8:54 PM, Joseph Oprysko via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
I just setup a Mac LocalTalk network, and I'm so thrilled and excited about it.
I'd be excited too. I hope to do the same with a couple of MACs too.
-- Normal Person: Hey, it seems that you know a lot. Geek: To be honest, it's due to all the surfing I do. Normal Person: So you go surfing? Normal Person: But I don't think that has anything to do with knowing a lot... Geek: I think that's wrong on a fundamental level. Normal Person: Huh? Huh? What?
On Dec 30, 2015, at 20:54, Joseph Oprysko via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
I just setup a Mac LocalTalk network, and I'm so thrilled and excited about it. Yes, it's only a Mac SE and an SE/30, each with 4mb of ram (the SE/30 originally had 8 and the SE had 1, but I played the great equalizer!). Last year at VCFeX I picked up a couple of LocalTalk adapters, even though at that time, I had no use for them. In '09 at a flea market I had picked up the 25' sealed LocalTalk cable, but finally, it all came together.
A piece of advice: get some PhoneNet adaptors instead. They're readily available cheap on eBay, and they don't require the weird proprietary LocalTalk cable. They're how I did all my LocalTalk networks back in the day. Next up: get a networked game of Bolo running. It runs really well on LocalTalk. Interesting fact: Bolo was written by Stuart Cheshire, eventually the architect of Rendezvous/Bonjour/IP Zeroconf. - Dave
Next up: get a networked game of Bolo running. It runs really well on LocalTalk. Interesting fact: Bolo was written by Stuart Cheshire, eventually the architect of Rendezvous/Bonjour/IP Zeroconf.
Also get a networked game of Super Maze Wars running. Very basic game by today's standards, but it was so much fun back in the day, and probably one of the better variants of this classic! David
The only thing that stinks is that while I have 2 functions macs, I I have 2 ADB nice, but only one one ADB keyboard, and at least 3-4 devices that need them. The W macs se's, with HDD's , another Mac SE with floppies (but the floppies need servicing, and an Apple II GS. The other thing that would be nice to have would be one of those farallon up gateways. Something to carry IP over the LocalTalk. I've never done that before, so if I'm using the wrong terminology please forgive mac heads. LOL. HAPPY NEW YEARS EVE EVERYONE!!! On Wednesday, December 30, 2015, David Ryskalczyk via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
Next up: get a networked game of Bolo running. It runs really well on LocalTalk. Interesting fact: Bolo was written by Stuart Cheshire, eventually the architect of Rendezvous/Bonjour/IP Zeroconf.
Also get a networked game of Super Maze Wars running. Very basic game by today's standards, but it was so much fun back in the day, and probably one of the better variants of this classic!
David
-- Normal Person: Hey, it seems that you know a lot. Geek: To be honest, it's due to all the surfing I do. Normal Person: So you go surfing? Normal Person: But I don't think that has anything to do with knowing a lot... Geek: I think that's wrong on a fundamental level. Normal Person: Huh? Huh? What?
2 Mac not W Macs (Actually more than 2, more like 7, 2 almost complete 128 and 512k systems) 3 Mac in.various states of disrepair, and 2 fully functional, the SE and SE/30. Although, not sure how much of disrepair the other SE dual floppy is except that both floppies needs service, as does the drive from the SE/30. Decades worth of grime built up on these mechanisms. This is what I want to learn how to properly clean and lubricate. -- Normal Person: Hey, it seems that you know a lot. Geek: To be honest, it's due to all the surfing I do. Normal Person: So you go surfing? Normal Person: But I don't think that has anything to do with knowing a lot... Geek: I think that's wrong on a fundamental level. Normal Person: Huh? Huh? What?
Ugh, with that last message, it sounds like English isn't my native language. That's what I get for responding to the listserv in the bath. ROFL. On Thursday, December 31, 2015, Joseph Oprysko <joprysko1@gmail.com> wrote:
2 Mac not W Macs (Actually more than 2, more like 7, 2 almost complete 128 and 512k systems) 3 Mac in.various states of disrepair, and 2 fully functional, the SE and SE/30. Although, not sure how much of disrepair the other SE dual floppy is except that both floppies needs service, as does the drive from the SE/30. Decades worth of grime built up on these mechanisms. This is what I want to learn how to properly clean and lubricate.
-- Normal Person: Hey, it seems that you know a lot. Geek: To be honest, it's due to all the surfing I do. Normal Person: So you go surfing? Normal Person: But I don't think that has anything to do with knowing a lot... Geek: I think that's wrong on a fundamental level. Normal Person: Huh? Huh? What?
-- Normal Person: Hey, it seems that you know a lot. Geek: To be honest, it's due to all the surfing I do. Normal Person: So you go surfing? Normal Person: But I don't think that has anything to do with knowing a lot... Geek: I think that's wrong on a fundamental level. Normal Person: Huh? Huh? What?
Fresh off demoing at the Young Innovators Fair - it occurs to me there are some good ideas in this thread for network games to show sometime! MAC had a little head start on PCs on easy to use networking I recall.
On Jan 3, 2016, at 7:50 PM, Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
Fresh off demoing at the Young Innovators Fair
Big thanks to you, Chris F., and Todd G. for representing us there! Generally speaking how did it go? ----- I feel that it was a huge success. At least 20,000 people attended according to the coordinators, possible many more because they gave away 5,000 free tickets to non-profit groups that weren't counted in the official total. Our booth was one of the most interesting in my opinion and was always very crowded. It seemed to be of interest to old and young alike. We had a few very nice compliments. A teacher told me she thought what we were doing was very important, that the next generation needs to learn the history. We could have easily utilized an additional table, both to spread the equipment out more and to add a couple items. If the opportunity arises again, we should definitely participate at this event. I noted people attending from NY, NJ, Harrisburg, Pittsburgh, Connecticut, Delaware, and other non-local areas. I think we got a lot of exposure. Personally, I was thrilled to be able to participate and represent VCF, and share our hobby with people, particularly young kids. Chris F.
On 1/3/2016 7:50 PM, Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
Fresh off demoing at the Young Innovators Fair Big thanks to you, Chris F., and Todd G. for representing us there! Generally speaking how did it go?
The YIF a huge success. Attendance was close to 30,000 people! A very nice affair. In my opinion, not necessarily "high tech" in a lot of regards. I believe their definition of Innovation is quite broad, including many art, craft and fabrication products. Well that's probably healthy and appropriate for the ages. But I was astounded that probably 90% of the kids coming through had not even HEARD of "Arduino". And I'm not sure I saw ONE exhibit featuring Arduinos, though I did only rush through it quickly. This was contrary to what I expected. There was a great Raspberry Pie development product, however, I'll mention in a new thread. BUT just the same, our exhibit was a SMASH much like at NY Maker. We garnered a ton of exposure for VCFederation and especially for VCFEast and even InfoAge. Lots of folks photographed our signage and our computers and expressing they really wanted to come to VCFE. Three of us were kept busy non stop and there were people there till the last minute of the show. And Todd, Chris and I had a great time. I'm making a IMGR album and will be gathering our photos together: http://imgur.com/a/Ntc8T Now for some details: The signage i made did the job. I'm looking forward to having a really large nice banner made. We also need to have some good signage for the exhibits to tell what folks what they are looking at. I think it would make the exhibit a bit more interesting and educational, especially for the casual looker that we don't get to talk to. We used risers for a double-decker layout. It worked for us, but limited the access to the upper machines - because of shoulder space, not height interestingly enough. Here is what we showed: C64 running Ms Packman and Donkeyking carts with Chris's great home made arcade quality joystick. In my opinion, that kind of joystick is REALLY GREAT for public exhibition, for durability and sheer joy to use. Yes it put the joy in joystick. :) Vic20 running Space Invaders cart Osborn I running basic programs. Everyone loves the quirky little tube you know. IBM PC with the lovely long persistence monochrome tube running Mummies (character Berserk) and Train layout simulator ... but the PC also booted to a menu that allowed them to also run QBasic (popular!) and VisiCalc Kaypro II running Catchum Lawrence Livermore Labs Trainer - billed as a 1976 vintage "Arduino", about a half dozen particularly interested folks entered a thirty machine language instructions to make the display count in hex and LEDs count in binary. The loved it. TRS-80 Model 4 running Model III mode, StarTrek displays, Invasion Force, and Dancing Demon. MAC SE-30 running Lemmings, Crystal Quest, and MACMAN (Yes, that makes three version of PACMAN on three different platforms) and.... a fan favorite for the event... A Sears SuperPong with 1980's color TV. In retrospect, we should have had an Apple II there. Perhaps instead of the Kaypro. My bad. I would have run Prince of Persia if I thought of it. We had only one casualty, my Kaypro II drive system conked out. That was it. Everything else was flawless.
Thanks guys for being the Philadelphia contingent of VCF! It's great to spread the word of VCF to other areas! It sounds like you had a lot of fun there too! On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 9:05 PM, Douglas Crawford via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
On 1/3/2016 7:50 PM, Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
Fresh off demoing at the Young Innovators Fair
Big thanks to you, Chris F., and Todd G. for representing us there! Generally speaking how did it go?
The YIF a huge success. Attendance was close to 30,000 people! A very nice affair. In my opinion, not necessarily "high tech" in a lot of regards. I believe their definition of Innovation is quite broad, including many art, craft and fabrication products. Well that's probably healthy and appropriate for the ages. But I was astounded that probably 90% of the kids coming through had not even HEARD of "Arduino". And I'm not sure I saw ONE exhibit featuring Arduinos, though I did only rush through it quickly. This was contrary to what I expected. There was a great Raspberry Pie development product, however, I'll mention in a new thread.
BUT just the same, our exhibit was a SMASH much like at NY Maker. We garnered a ton of exposure for VCFederation and especially for VCFEast and even InfoAge. Lots of folks photographed our signage and our computers and expressing they really wanted to come to VCFE. Three of us were kept busy non stop and there were people there till the last minute of the show. And Todd, Chris and I had a great time.
I'm making a IMGR album and will be gathering our photos together: http://imgur.com/a/Ntc8T
Now for some details:
The signage i made did the job. I'm looking forward to having a really large nice banner made. We also need to have some good signage for the exhibits to tell what folks what they are looking at. I think it would make the exhibit a bit more interesting and educational, especially for the casual looker that we don't get to talk to.
We used risers for a double-decker layout. It worked for us, but limited the access to the upper machines - because of shoulder space, not height interestingly enough.
Here is what we showed: C64 running Ms Packman and Donkeyking carts with Chris's great home made arcade quality joystick. In my opinion, that kind of joystick is REALLY GREAT for public exhibition, for durability and sheer joy to use. Yes it put the joy in joystick. :) Vic20 running Space Invaders cart Osborn I running basic programs. Everyone loves the quirky little tube you know. IBM PC with the lovely long persistence monochrome tube running Mummies (character Berserk) and Train layout simulator ... but the PC also booted to a menu that allowed them to also run QBasic (popular!) and VisiCalc Kaypro II running Catchum Lawrence Livermore Labs Trainer - billed as a 1976 vintage "Arduino", about a half dozen particularly interested folks entered a thirty machine language instructions to make the display count in hex and LEDs count in binary. The loved it. TRS-80 Model 4 running Model III mode, StarTrek displays, Invasion Force, and Dancing Demon. MAC SE-30 running Lemmings, Crystal Quest, and MACMAN (Yes, that makes three version of PACMAN on three different platforms) and.... a fan favorite for the event... A Sears SuperPong with 1980's color TV.
In retrospect, we should have had an Apple II there. Perhaps instead of the Kaypro. My bad. I would have run Prince of Persia if I thought of it. We had only one casualty, my Kaypro II drive system conked out. That was it. Everything else was flawless.
Can you **REALLY** call early PC networking (like arcnet) EASY?? It was SUCH a pain performing memory management. On Sunday, January 3, 2016, Douglas Crawford via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
Fresh off demoing at the Young Innovators Fair - it occurs to me there are some good ideas in this thread for network games to show sometime! MAC had a little head start on PCs on easy to use networking I recall.
-- Normal Person: Hey, it seems that you know a lot. Geek: To be honest, it's due to all the surfing I do. Normal Person: So you go surfing? Normal Person: But I don't think that has anything to do with knowing a lot... Geek: I think that's wrong on a fundamental level. Normal Person: Huh? Huh? What?
AppleTalk/LocalTalk was easy. In some ways, much easier than today's networking. Of course, not nearly as secure (which wasn't necessary). Circa 1985ish, if I remember correctly. -Adam On 1/3/2016 8:38 PM, Joseph Oprysko via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
Can you **REALLY** call early PC networking (like arcnet) EASY?? It was SUCH a pain performing memory management.
On Sunday, January 3, 2016, Douglas Crawford via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
Fresh off demoing at the Young Innovators Fair - it occurs to me there are some good ideas in this thread for network games to show sometime! MAC had a little head start on PCs on easy to use networking I recall.
On 1/3/2016 8:38 PM, Joseph Oprysko via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
Can you **REALLY** call early PC networking (like arcnet) EASY?? It was SUCH a pain performing memory management.
Thats kind of what I meant, but as usual didn't clearly say... that Mac's networking was easier than PCs options of the same era, which weren't really easy. I implemented our companies first arcnet and it was a good project for an engineer, (and I wasn't necessarily and early adopter maybe 1988 or so?) but MAC users in art companies were connecting MACs together without fuss. That's how I remember it.
The first network we put together on small systems was in 1988: a LocalTalk net between a room full of Macs. Got even easier when Farallon Phone Net transceivers became available. As close to plug and playas you can get at the time. Soon afterwards, We networked the PCs with 3Com cards and used LocalTalk to Ethernet bridges to bring it all together. Good times On Sunday, January 3, 2016, Douglas Crawford via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
On 1/3/2016 8:38 PM, Joseph Oprysko via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
Can you **REALLY** call early PC networking (like arcnet) EASY?? It was SUCH a pain performing memory management.
Thats kind of what I meant, but as usual didn't clearly say... that Mac's networking was easier than PCs options of the same era, which weren't really easy. I implemented our companies first arcnet and it was a good project for an engineer, (and I wasn't necessarily and early adopter maybe 1988 or so?) but MAC users in art companies were connecting MACs together without fuss. That's how I remember it.
What would be fun as hell, if we had enough Macs and phone-net adapters, that during VCFeXI, would be to setup a phone net network with a node at each display, have various multi-player games running across it, chat rooms (if such beasties exist), etc. I think it would be a rather interesting, widespread display. If not logistically possible across both display rooms, maybe just all around one room? (But would love to see it across both rooms, it would be an awesome network to configure) On Sunday, January 3, 2016, Douglas Crawford via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
On 1/3/2016 8:38 PM, Joseph Oprysko via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
Can you **REALLY** call early PC networking (like arcnet) EASY?? It was SUCH a pain performing memory management.
Thats kind of what I meant, but as usual didn't clearly say... that Mac's networking was easier than PCs options of the same era, which weren't really easy. I implemented our companies first arcnet and it was a good project for an engineer, (and I wasn't necessarily and early adopter maybe 1988 or so?) but MAC users in art companies were connecting MACs together without fuss. That's how I remember it.
-- Normal Person: Hey, it seems that you know a lot. Geek: To be honest, it's due to all the surfing I do. Normal Person: So you go surfing? Normal Person: But I don't think that has anything to do with knowing a lot... Geek: I think that's wrong on a fundamental level. Normal Person: Huh? Huh? What?
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