I've read the discussion to date on this subject. I am at an age where the subject has some personal meaning to me. Here's some thoughts I have. "log in" or "log out" by Web search, is about access on a computer, people know about that. It seems to be derived from maintaining a "log", a paper account such as a ship's logbook. That appears to be based on "logging" distance in a "chip log" - ledgers of distance sailed measured by a log on-a-rope dragging in the water for a period of time. This is not from an authoritative reference. So: "logged out" has some reference to time and completion and record; it's not an abbreviation, and people know the phrase. So it works for me in some way. But I don't think I need a vote on the matter. People will speak in grief, as they are moved (or not). Phrases come and go in popularity. I think shared discussion leading to some amount of reflection and consensus, is sufficient. And one other thing. Jeff started this as "honoring pioneers"; the presumption by all is to honor them after they are deceased. Why not honor them BEFORE? We are at a point of history, where the "pioneers" of microprocessors and their systems are starting to "leave the planet" (the phrase I learned to use in the 1970's). Paying attention to their work NOW, when they can account for it, give details, seems like a good idea to me. I try to prove accounts on my Web site, about companies or products or people, who pioneered in the computers of interest to me. Some are from those persons, some are about those persons. As I said, the subject in this thread has some meaning to me. Regards, Herb Johnson -- Herbert R. Johnson, New Jersey in the USA http://www.retrotechnology.com OR .net preserve, recover, restore 1970's computing email: hjohnson AT retrotechnology DOT com or try later herbjohnson AT retrotechnology DOT info