VCF Museum and Warehouse Update
Two general questions or comments. Neither are anything I can do anything about. But they seem worth pointing out. Pardon the long explanations, if these were obvious no explanation would be needed. 1) Tony Bogan et al, most recently Martin Flynn, refer a lot to InfoAge building number designations. I'm sure, because of their weekly and daily activities at Infoage in Wall, NJ, they know which building is which and how they are laid out and connected and all that. Others, who visit sporadically, do not know what they are talking about. I barely know myself, despite 15 years of my visits to "the campus" of Infoage, because I have a dyslexia about "names". So building 9010 versus 9010B versus 9999 versus 9009 all. look. the same. names. to. me. It's not about me of course. What someone who reads this email list, knows about buildings, matters or it doesn't. But with repairs and moves announced weekly, daily - and now volunteers requested - it seems to matter *now*. It gets worse, if one wants to *find out* these numbers. infoage.org, has hidden maps on their Web site, of the facilities. Recent maps have no Army numbering. I looked days ago (when Martin was reporting on wiring), and I had to use Google to find a survey map of the site, from when Camp Evans was under review by the Army as some kind of preserved facility. https://infoage.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/NHL-Figure-2.jpg That's where I found it. and it calls out "9010 complex". (shrug) I recall on-site paper brochures, I haven't checked lately. I don't know if they are online, on the Web. How much searching should I do? Please don't tell me "we aren't responsible for InfoAge's Web site". You are responsible for vcf.org. The only map there, shows a few buildings by function; no Army numbers. 2) Tony announced, a move of the museum - again, buildings a little cryptic - from one section of a building to four sections of (maybe the same) a building. And a move of the warehouse, apparently to another building. (That kind-of was my last-straw about identifying InfoAge buildings.) Apparently the new-to-VCFed sites will need preparation. Apparently some funds will have to be raised. This is good, this is great. But: it will take time, and volunteers. No timelines were stated. Meanwhile: VCF-East is Oct 8-10 - 60 days from today. Those who have participated, know how labor-intensive that can be. That presents a conflict. Bottom line seems clear to me. What museum or warehouse work will be scheduled *before* Oct? Site work equals people-power equals more volunteers and more people-hours. Right? People will have to choose what to do and when. Right? They may want details. One hopes, VCFed won't be OBLIGED to move their Museum before Oct 2021. That would have consequences for the VCF-East visitors. Right? The Warehouse move "should not" impact VCF-East, but who knows? I'm just guessing. The simplest timeline is: "no changes to current VCFed sites before the end of VCF-East". And, work on sites to be moved to, that "has" to be done before October - one hopes it can be done as best-efforts, lower-priority. (shrug) But VCFed is part of InfoAge, and InfoAge has many tenants/partners. Those may require actions before October. ------------------------------------- All of this is not about me, or maybe only about me. My problem with names is my problem. As for what building is where, what number, what size? Solve that with a good map, point to it, and it's DONE. On moving: I did computer site preparation professionally, when younger. I'm too old now to hustle boxes, sweat and crawl under buildings. But I'm not in charge. But I have an interest in the outcomes. and who knows? maybe there's work for an old person. If Covid permits; that too is uncertain, hard to plan for. Meanwhile: the next 60 days will likely force certain priorities. Let people know so they can make choices ahead of time. Seams reasonable. Regards, Herb Johnson -- Herbert R. Johnson, New Jersey in the USA http://www.retrotechnology.com OR .net preserve, recover, restore 1970's computing email: hjohnson AT retrotechnology DOT com or try later herbjohnson AT comcast DOT net
On 8/8/2021 5:39 PM, Herb Johnson via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
Others, who visit sporadically, do not know what they are talking about. I barely know myself, despite 15 years of my visits to "the campus" of Infoage, because I have a dyslexia about "names". So building 9010 versus 9010B versus 9999 versus 9009 all. look. the same. names. to. me.
https://infoage.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/NHL-Figure-2.jpg
That's where I found it. and it calls out "9010 complex". (shrug)
Herb, I agree this is an issue, and the low resolution of the NHS nomination documents don't help much. However, if you take a close look at building 9010, you will note the sections are labeled "D", "C", "B". and "A". The VCF museum space is in 9010A. The other three H buildings follow the same format, with the "D" section closest to Monmouth Boulevard. Martin
On 8/8/2021 6:04 PM, Martin Flynn via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
On 8/8/2021 5:39 PM, Herb Johnson via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
Others, who visit sporadically, do not know what they are talking about. I barely know myself, despite 15 years of my visits to "the campus" of Infoage, because I have a dyslexia about "names". So building 9010 versus 9010B versus 9999 versus 9009 all. look. the same. names. to. me.
https://infoage.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/NHL-Figure-2.jpg
That's where I found it. and it calls out "9010 complex". (shrug)
Herb,
I agree this is an issue, and the low resolution of the NHS nomination documents don't help much.
However, if you take a close look at building 9010, you will note the sections are labeled "D", "C", "B". and "A". The VCF museum space is in 9010A.
The other three H buildings follow the same format, with the "D" section closest to Monmouth Boulevard.
Martin
Interim fix (until such time as InfoAge addresses this issue): http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/campus_map.jpg
Thanks Martin! I didn’t bother putting all the numbers on the one that I was going to post, I just put big letters “current VCF Museum” with a little tiny space, “ future VCF Museum” Showing a big gigantic space! Tony Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 8, 2021, at 6:27 PM, Martin Flynn via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
On 8/8/2021 6:04 PM, Martin Flynn via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
On 8/8/2021 5:39 PM, Herb Johnson via vcf-midatlantic wrote: Others, who visit sporadically, do not know what they are talking about. I barely know myself, despite 15 years of my visits to "the campus" of Infoage, because I have a dyslexia about "names". So building 9010 versus 9010B versus 9999 versus 9009 all. look. the same. names. to. me.
https://infoage.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/NHL-Figure-2.jpg
That's where I found it. and it calls out "9010 complex". (shrug)
Herb,
I agree this is an issue, and the low resolution of the NHS nomination documents don't help much.
However, if you take a close look at building 9010, you will note the sections are labeled "D", "C", "B". and "A". The VCF museum space is in 9010A.
The other three H buildings follow the same format, with the "D" section closest to Monmouth Boulevard.
Martin
Interim fix (until such time as InfoAge addresses this issue):
http://compdecon.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/campus_map.jpg
Info Age keeps a visitor appropriate map on their "visit" page (which makes sense). https://infoage.org/visit/ <https://infoage.org/visit/> The Tour map would let someone know about the available museums: https://infoage.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/TourMap_16x20_self-download.j... <https://infoage.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/TourMap_16x20_self-download.jpg> There is also link to the Goole overview page which also has up-to-date little 3d representation of the buildings. Neither of these include the military designations. But there are maps. Not hidden! -andy
On Aug 8, 2021, at 5:39 PM, Herb Johnson via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
It gets worse, if one wants to *find out* these numbers. infoage.org, has hidden maps on their Web site, of the facilities. Recent maps have no Army numbering. I looked days ago (when Martin was reporting on wiring), and I had to use Google to find a survey map of the site, from when Camp Evans was under review by the Army as some kind of preserved facility.
https://infoage.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/NHL-Figure-2.jpg
That's where I found it. and it calls out "9010 complex". (shrug)
I recall on-site paper brochures, I haven't checked lately. I don't know if they are online, on the Web. How much searching should I do?
Please don't tell me "we aren't responsible for InfoAge's Web site". You are responsible for vcf.org. The only map there, shows a few buildings by function; no Army numbers.
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