Re: [vcf-midatlantic] slightly OT: Collector vs. Hoarder
My bad, Dave! It was Mike Rosen (Sentrytv) responding to your message who pointed this out, and I mixed up who said what! - Bob
From: Dave McGuire <mcguire@neurotica.com> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] slightly OT: Collector vs. Hoarder On 8/27/24 10:32, Bob Shuster via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
This is precisely why I started to sell off my collection, and as Dave McGuire pointed out it?s the people who come after we?re gone that will have to deal with it! As I stated on the front page of my sales page: "There comes a time when one's collection overwhelms the ability to store or maintain it ... I imagine the pain of my family in having to do this after I'm gone!"
I certainly wasn't the one who pointed that out. I was the one advocating for finding a compatible spouse to begin with.
If fat, funny-looking, high-maintenance "me" can do it, any guy can.
-Dave
Don't forget about exhibiting/presenting/sharing stuff now so people can enjoy our collections while we are still alive. McGuire is a perfect example of this, and I am not. Someone want to come over and help me organize my storage unit(s)? ;-) On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 8:48 AM Bob Shuster via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
My bad, Dave! It was Mike Rosen (Sentrytv) responding to your message who pointed this out, and I mixed up who said what! - Bob
From: Dave McGuire <mcguire@neurotica.com> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] slightly OT: Collector vs. Hoarder On 8/27/24 10:32, Bob Shuster via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
This is precisely why I started to sell off my collection, and as Dave McGuire pointed out it?s the people who come after we?re gone that will have to deal with it! As I stated on the front page of my sales page: "There comes a time when one's collection overwhelms the ability to store or maintain it ... I imagine the pain of my family in having to do this after I'm gone!"
I certainly wasn't the one who pointed that out. I was the one advocating for finding a compatible spouse to begin with.
If fat, funny-looking, high-maintenance "me" can do it, any guy can.
-Dave
Thanks for the props, but remember that LSSM is not "Dave's stuff". I have my own computers at home. Nearly all of my (computer) stuff will go to LSSM when I kick the bucket. -Dave On 8/28/24 08:53, Chris Fala via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
Don't forget about exhibiting/presenting/sharing stuff now so people can enjoy our collections while we are still alive. McGuire is a perfect example of this, and I am not. Someone want to come over and help me organize my storage unit(s)? ;-)
On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 8:48 AM Bob Shuster via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
My bad, Dave! It was Mike Rosen (Sentrytv) responding to your message who pointed this out, and I mixed up who said what! - Bob
From: Dave McGuire <mcguire@neurotica.com> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] slightly OT: Collector vs. Hoarder On 8/27/24 10:32, Bob Shuster via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
This is precisely why I started to sell off my collection, and as Dave McGuire pointed out it?s the people who come after we?re gone that will have to deal with it! As I stated on the front page of my sales page: "There comes a time when one's collection overwhelms the ability to store or maintain it ... I imagine the pain of my family in having to do this after I'm gone!"
I certainly wasn't the one who pointed that out. I was the one advocating for finding a compatible spouse to begin with.
If fat, funny-looking, high-maintenance "me" can do it, any guy can.
-Dave
-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
So this raises an excellent point. Those of you with large collections may wish to consider where they go upon your eventual demise (and document that somewhere your heirs will find). Not just for the sake of preservation of history (lest the stuff end up in the landfill) but to make the lives of your heirs easier. Devin On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 9:05 AM Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Thanks for the props, but remember that LSSM is not "Dave's stuff". I have my own computers at home. Nearly all of my (computer) stuff will go to LSSM when I kick the bucket.
Given what happened at LCM four years ago and is coming to fruition today, it should also be legally enshrined, to protect it from profiteering relatives. Most stuff doesn't end up in landfills anymore, except in cases of people who are truly detached from society. (can't be arsed to spend a whole 2mins googling to discover that things are sought after, etc) -Dave On 8/28/24 09:23, Devin Heitmueller wrote:
So this raises an excellent point. Those of you with large collections may wish to consider where they go upon your eventual demise (and document that somewhere your heirs will find). Not just for the sake of preservation of history (lest the stuff end up in the landfill) but to make the lives of your heirs easier.
Devin
On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 9:05 AM Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Thanks for the props, but remember that LSSM is not "Dave's stuff". I have my own computers at home. Nearly all of my (computer) stuff will go to LSSM when I kick the bucket.
-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
Just about 6 months ago ( can’t remember before that) the topic came up : [vcf-midatlantic] Downsizers, Sick, Old, and Dying Collector -- Special Interest group to focus on "artifact wills" Seems we all “think” about this but really don’t put much “thought” into it. IMHO Sent from: My extremely complicated, hand held electronic device.
On Aug 28, 2024, at 9:23 AM, Devin Heitmueller via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
So this raises an excellent point. Those of you with large collections may wish to consider where they go upon your eventual demise (and document that somewhere your heirs will find). Not just for the sake of preservation of history (lest the stuff end up in the landfill) but to make the lives of your heirs easier.
Devin
On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 9:05 AM Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Thanks for the props, but remember that LSSM is not "Dave's stuff". I have my own computers at home. Nearly all of my (computer) stuff will go to LSSM when I kick the bucket.
It is a good point, but it can be mitigated pretty easily with a very clear will. If you don't have a will, things can ugly very quickly. it's quite easy to put specific instructions in there as to what happens with your stuff after you pass. My wife and I have discussed this pretty completely, and she basically gets everything. We have a second not-legal-but-guiding doc for her to follow "Talk to these people. They know what that and that and that is worth, they can broker the sale of it. Trust them." - from a legal standpoint, she's the only one that can change the ownership of the items. From a logistical standpoint, she knows who to talk to that won't try to steal us blind. End of life / "just in case" documentation is really important. A will is very easy to set up, and the rest can just be a shared google doc or something (ya'll use something like 1password with shared password vaults, right? So the keys to the city can be used people you trust after you shuffle off this mortal coil?) Big topic - might even be worth a panel at one of the VCFs. Whadya do with your collection after you pass? On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 9:23 AM Devin Heitmueller via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
So this raises an excellent point. Those of you with large collections may wish to consider where they go upon your eventual demise (and document that somewhere your heirs will find). Not just for the sake of preservation of history (lest the stuff end up in the landfill) but to make the lives of your heirs easier.
Devin
On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 9:05 AM Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Thanks for the props, but remember that LSSM is not "Dave's stuff". I have my own computers at home. Nearly all of my (computer) stuff will go to LSSM when I kick the bucket.
-- Dave Shevett shevett@pobox.com
Yes, I do know the distinction between you personally and the organization. I thought of that as I was typing, but figured it would still get the point across. Sorry if my phrasing distorted the situation. On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 9:05 AM Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Thanks for the props, but remember that LSSM is not "Dave's stuff". I have my own computers at home. Nearly all of my (computer) stuff will go to LSSM when I kick the bucket.
-Dave
On 8/28/24 08:53, Chris Fala via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
Don't forget about exhibiting/presenting/sharing stuff now so people can enjoy our collections while we are still alive. McGuire is a perfect example of this, and I am not. Someone want to come over and help me organize my storage unit(s)? ;-)
On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 8:48 AM Bob Shuster via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
My bad, Dave! It was Mike Rosen (Sentrytv) responding to your message who pointed this out, and I mixed up who said what! - Bob
From: Dave McGuire <mcguire@neurotica.com> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] slightly OT: Collector vs. Hoarder On 8/27/24 10:32, Bob Shuster via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
This is precisely why I started to sell off my collection, and as Dave McGuire pointed out it?s the people who come after we?re gone that will have to deal with it! As I stated on the front page of my sales page: "There comes a time when one's collection overwhelms the ability to store or maintain it ... I imagine the pain of my family in having to do this after I'm gone!"
I certainly wasn't the one who pointed that out. I was the one advocating for finding a compatible spouse to begin with.
If fat, funny-looking, high-maintenance "me" can do it, any guy can.
-Dave
-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
No worries. We fight that perception *all* *the* *time*. I was known as a prolific collector and restorer of big iron for many years before LSSM was built; a lot of people haven't paid attention enough to realize that LSSM is not "Dave's row of racks in his living room". I still have racks in my living room. ;) They have nothing to do with LSSM. In October, LSSM will celebrate its ninth anniversary of being open to the public. It is a 501(c)(3) public charity with its own (non-rented) building and a staff of about a dozen engineers. -Dave On 8/28/24 09:28, Chris Fala wrote:
Yes, I do know the distinction between you personally and the organization. I thought of that as I was typing, but figured it would still get the point across. Sorry if my phrasing distorted the situation.
On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 9:05 AM Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org <mailto:vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org>> wrote:
Thanks for the props, but remember that LSSM is not "Dave's stuff". I have my own computers at home. Nearly all of my (computer) stuff will go to LSSM when I kick the bucket.
-Dave
On 8/28/24 08:53, Chris Fala via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > Don't forget about exhibiting/presenting/sharing stuff now so people can > enjoy our collections while we are still alive. McGuire is a perfect > example of this, and I am not. Someone want to come over and help me > organize my storage unit(s)? ;-) > > > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 8:48 AM Bob Shuster via vcf-midatlantic < > vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org <mailto:vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org>> wrote: > >> My bad, Dave! It was Mike Rosen (Sentrytv) responding to your message who >> pointed this out, and I mixed up who said what! - Bob >> >>> From: Dave McGuire <mcguire@neurotica.com <mailto:mcguire@neurotica.com>> >>> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] slightly OT: Collector vs. Hoarder >>> On 8/27/24 10:32, Bob Shuster via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >>>> This is precisely why I started to sell off my collection, and as >>>> Dave McGuire pointed out it?s the people who come after we?re gone >>>> that will have to deal with it! As I stated on the front page of my >>>> sales page: "There comes a time when one's collection overwhelms the >>>> ability to store or maintain it ... I imagine the pain of my family >>>> in having to do this after I'm gone!" >>> >>> I certainly wasn't the one who pointed that out. I was the one >>> advocating for finding a compatible spouse to begin with. >>> >>> If fat, funny-looking, high-maintenance "me" can do it, any guy can. >>> >>> -Dave >> >>
-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
This discussion has come up several times in the past year. I'm wondering if I should expand/update and repeat my VCF talk from a few years ago on the lifecycle of collections; establishing, maintaining and final disposition. Thoughts? - Dean On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 9:29 AM Chris Fala via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Yes, I do know the distinction between you personally and the organization. I thought of that as I was typing, but figured it would still get the point across. Sorry if my phrasing distorted the situation.
On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 9:05 AM Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Thanks for the props, but remember that LSSM is not "Dave's stuff". I have my own computers at home. Nearly all of my (computer) stuff will go to LSSM when I kick the bucket.
-Dave
On 8/28/24 08:53, Chris Fala via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
Don't forget about exhibiting/presenting/sharing stuff now so people
can
enjoy our collections while we are still alive. McGuire is a perfect example of this, and I am not. Someone want to come over and help me organize my storage unit(s)? ;-)
On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 8:48 AM Bob Shuster via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
My bad, Dave! It was Mike Rosen (Sentrytv) responding to your message who pointed this out, and I mixed up who said what! - Bob
From: Dave McGuire <mcguire@neurotica.com> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] slightly OT: Collector vs. Hoarder On 8/27/24 10:32, Bob Shuster via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
This is precisely why I started to sell off my collection, and as Dave McGuire pointed out it?s the people who come after we?re gone that will have to deal with it! As I stated on the front page of my sales page: "There comes a time when one's collection overwhelms the ability to store or maintain it ... I imagine the pain of my family in having to do this after I'm gone!"
I certainly wasn't the one who pointed that out. I was the one advocating for finding a compatible spouse to begin with.
If fat, funny-looking, high-maintenance "me" can do it, any guy can.
-Dave
-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
It might also be worth discussing with the organization ahead of time and seeing if you can get an agreement for them to handle the logistics when the time comes. I.e. be able to put in your will, "Call these people and they will come with a truck and pick everything up". Let's face it, most heirs will likely say, "What do I do with all this crap?" Financial value aside, most would be relieved if somebody would take care of getting the stuff out of your house. Devin On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 9:41 AM Dean Notarnicola via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
This discussion has come up several times in the past year. I'm wondering if I should expand/update and repeat my VCF talk from a few years ago on the lifecycle of collections; establishing, maintaining and final disposition. Thoughts?
- Dean
On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 9:29 AM Chris Fala via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Yes, I do know the distinction between you personally and the organization. I thought of that as I was typing, but figured it would still get the point across. Sorry if my phrasing distorted the situation.
On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 9:05 AM Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Thanks for the props, but remember that LSSM is not "Dave's stuff". I have my own computers at home. Nearly all of my (computer) stuff will go to LSSM when I kick the bucket.
-Dave
On 8/28/24 08:53, Chris Fala via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
Don't forget about exhibiting/presenting/sharing stuff now so people
can
enjoy our collections while we are still alive. McGuire is a perfect example of this, and I am not. Someone want to come over and help me organize my storage unit(s)? ;-)
On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 8:48 AM Bob Shuster via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
My bad, Dave! It was Mike Rosen (Sentrytv) responding to your message who pointed this out, and I mixed up who said what! - Bob
From: Dave McGuire <mcguire@neurotica.com> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] slightly OT: Collector vs. Hoarder On 8/27/24 10:32, Bob Shuster via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > This is precisely why I started to sell off my collection, and as > Dave McGuire pointed out it?s the people who come after we?re gone > that will have to deal with it! As I stated on the front page of my > sales page: "There comes a time when one's collection overwhelms the > ability to store or maintain it ... I imagine the pain of my family > in having to do this after I'm gone!"
I certainly wasn't the one who pointed that out. I was the one advocating for finding a compatible spouse to begin with.
If fat, funny-looking, high-maintenance "me" can do it, any guy can.
-Dave
-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
As a former estate planning lawyer, I can definitely add a few thoughts to the presentation. I did a questionnaire for each client about this. And other questions like “Do you have pet parrots?” Parrots can live to 70 or 80, and can outlive the people who take them from the deceased, so it makes sense to give them to a very young beneficiary. ________________________________ From: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic-bounces@lists.vcfed.org> on behalf of Dean Notarnicola via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2024 3:40:32 PM To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> Cc: Dean Notarnicola <dnotarnicola@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] slightly OT: Collector vs. Hoarder This discussion has come up several times in the past year. I'm wondering if I should expand/update and repeat my VCF talk from a few years ago on the lifecycle of collections; establishing, maintaining and final disposition. Thoughts? - Dean ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd This discussion has come up several times in the past year. I'm wondering if I should expand/update and repeat my VCF talk from a few years ago on the lifecycle of collections; establishing, maintaining and final disposition. Thoughts? - Dean On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 9:29 AM Chris Fala via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Yes, I do know the distinction between you personally and the organization. I thought of that as I was typing, but figured it would still get the point across. Sorry if my phrasing distorted the situation.
On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 9:05 AM Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Thanks for the props, but remember that LSSM is not "Dave's stuff". I have my own computers at home. Nearly all of my (computer) stuff will go to LSSM when I kick the bucket.
-Dave
On 8/28/24 08:53, Chris Fala via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
Don't forget about exhibiting/presenting/sharing stuff now so people
can
enjoy our collections while we are still alive. McGuire is a perfect example of this, and I am not. Someone want to come over and help me organize my storage unit(s)? ;-)
On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 8:48 AM Bob Shuster via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
My bad, Dave! It was Mike Rosen (Sentrytv) responding to your message who pointed this out, and I mixed up who said what! - Bob
From: Dave McGuire <mcguire@neurotica.com> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] slightly OT: Collector vs. Hoarder On 8/27/24 10:32, Bob Shuster via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
This is precisely why I started to sell off my collection, and as Dave McGuire pointed out it?s the people who come after we?re gone that will have to deal with it! As I stated on the front page of my sales page: "There comes a time when one's collection overwhelms the ability to store or maintain it ... I imagine the pain of my family in having to do this after I'm gone!"
I certainly wasn't the one who pointed that out. I was the one advocating for finding a compatible spouse to begin with.
If fat, funny-looking, high-maintenance "me" can do it, any guy can.
-Dave
-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
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And I am pretty sure everyone remembers this. https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-19665632.amp ________________________________ From: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic-bounces@lists.vcfed.org> on behalf of Dean Notarnicola via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2024 3:40:32 PM To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> Cc: Dean Notarnicola <dnotarnicola@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] slightly OT: Collector vs. Hoarder This discussion has come up several times in the past year. I'm wondering if I should expand/update and repeat my VCF talk from a few years ago on the lifecycle of collections; establishing, maintaining and final disposition. Thoughts? - Dean ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd This discussion has come up several times in the past year. I'm wondering if I should expand/update and repeat my VCF talk from a few years ago on the lifecycle of collections; establishing, maintaining and final disposition. Thoughts? - Dean On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 9:29 AM Chris Fala via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Yes, I do know the distinction between you personally and the organization. I thought of that as I was typing, but figured it would still get the point across. Sorry if my phrasing distorted the situation.
On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 9:05 AM Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Thanks for the props, but remember that LSSM is not "Dave's stuff". I have my own computers at home. Nearly all of my (computer) stuff will go to LSSM when I kick the bucket.
-Dave
On 8/28/24 08:53, Chris Fala via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
Don't forget about exhibiting/presenting/sharing stuff now so people
can
enjoy our collections while we are still alive. McGuire is a perfect example of this, and I am not. Someone want to come over and help me organize my storage unit(s)? ;-)
On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 8:48 AM Bob Shuster via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
My bad, Dave! It was Mike Rosen (Sentrytv) responding to your message who pointed this out, and I mixed up who said what! - Bob
From: Dave McGuire <mcguire@neurotica.com> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] slightly OT: Collector vs. Hoarder On 8/27/24 10:32, Bob Shuster via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
This is precisely why I started to sell off my collection, and as Dave McGuire pointed out it?s the people who come after we?re gone that will have to deal with it! As I stated on the front page of my sales page: "There comes a time when one's collection overwhelms the ability to store or maintain it ... I imagine the pain of my family in having to do this after I'm gone!"
I certainly wasn't the one who pointed that out. I was the one advocating for finding a compatible spouse to begin with.
If fat, funny-looking, high-maintenance "me" can do it, any guy can.
-Dave
-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
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