A little off topic but; Speaking of game day jerseys worn by the quarterback, How about a bandanna used by Mick Jagger In a concert in the Brendan Byrne arena back in 1981, sweat and all! Sent from: My extremely complicated, hand held electronic device.

On Oct 5, 2022, at 9:27 AM, Mark Whittington via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:

My opinion is the same as yours, but my guess would be that owning Steve's Mac, or a game-day jersey worn by your team's quarterback, or a screen-used prop from your favorite movie, could give the owner a sense of personal connection to Jobs, the quarterback, or the star of their favorite movie.

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On Wed, Oct 5, 2022 at 9:06 AM Kelly Leavitt via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:

I do not understand the element of "woo" that some people attach to objects used by other individuals.

I'm talking about this auction:

https://www.bonhams.com/auction/27617/lot/1094/a-macintosh-used-by-steve-job...

A Macintosh SE estimated to go for between $200,000 and $300,000, just because Steve Jobs touched it?

This is my opinion, and I don't need to be convinced otherwise. If your opinion differs, I would be interested in any reasoning.

Kelly ________________________________ From: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic-bounces@lists.vcfed.org> on behalf of Christian Liendo via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2022 8:40 AM To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> Cc: Christian Liendo <cliendo@gmail.com> Subject: [vcf-midatlantic] Bonhams Auction APPLE II: VENTLESS REV 0 THE RAREST, MOST IMPACTFUL APPLE.

I didn't know there was a ventless Apple II

https://www.bonhams.com/auction/27617/lot/1087/apple-ii-ventless-rev-0-the-r...

I am noticing a lot more vintage computing stuff in auction houses though

https://www.bonhams.com/auction/27617/history-of-science-and-technology-incl...

I do not understand the element of "woo" that some people attach to objects used by other individuals. I'm talking about this auction: https://www.bonhams.com/auction/27617/lot/1094/a-macintosh-used-by-steve-job... A Macintosh SE estimated to go for between $200,000 and $300,000, just because Steve Jobs touched it? This is my opinion, and I don't need to be convinced otherwise. If your opinion differs, I would be interested in any reasoning.

It might also be like artwork. It can be considered a wealth store in a different currency. Also, my understanding is the fine art world is a huge tax avoidance scheme. https://thestandrewseconomist.com/2020/11/27/the-art-of-tax-evasion/ But it's not just vintage computers. All kinds of collecatable markets have gone up a bunch because of the amount of money sloshing around. The wagies get crushed by inflation and aren't benefitting but others such as the unproductive FIRE sector are rolling it in and need places to stuff it. Collectable cars have gone wild (check Bring a Trailer.) The pinball machine market is kinda nutty, good luck finding something to fix up. The arcade scene is hot but always less than pinball as it is inferior. Game consoles and systems are hot. I don't know about comic books or sports cards or those markets but I think the game card markets like Magic: The Gathering are warm. But it all might slow soon. No one knows. When bitcoin rained tons of money down on some of those kids they were spending easy and large on stuff. There is also some talk that a bunch of the really high dollar video game sales were shill buyers / buyback schemes to juice the market. The video game ratings people are accused of that, and supposedly were involved in doing the same thing with collectable coins years ago. They made the market mania to drive people to pay to get them rated is how the story goes I believe (someone correct me if I'm wrong on this.) Now they did the same thing with video games, driving a few fake highly public collectable game sales to drive buzz. Someone told me there is a 1 year backlog on getting your video game rated unless you pay for expedited service. What a good hustle. - Ethan

yes- but I would say 'convicted of doing the same thing with collectable coins' rather than just accusations. It's literally the same people running the same scam again! https://screenrant.com/retro-video-game-market-scam-video-expose/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvLFEh7V18A Google Jim Halperin....

Yeaa! I have a friend that has some games in now for rating. He dips his toes into all kinds of investments rolling the dice looking for a payoff and has a bit of geek to him so he sent some stuff in that he bought on eBay NIB.

The funny thing is - at least coins were a precious metal. Not sure what you can do with a MacSE that you paid $200,000 for when it back to being worth $50. Or a boxed Mario Bros for NES. -andy

At the end of the day, what true value is gold past rap star teeth and PCB edge contacts? And man, that sucks that it's not a SE/30 - Ethan

Am I missing something? why so much for the Apple II? Bobby On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 11:09:17 AM EDT, Jeff S via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote: Well, I might as well let the 100% nitrogen air out of the hermetically sealed package surrounding my Atari 2600 "Chase the Chuckwagon" cartridge. What a waste of $3000 to have that done... 😏😎 On Wed, Oct 5, 2022 at 10:07 AM Andrew Diller via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:

yes- but I would say 'convicted of doing the same thing with collectable coins' rather than just accusations. It's literally the same people running the same scam again!

https://screenrant.com/retro-video-game-market-scam-video-expose/ < https://screenrant.com/retro-video-game-market-scam-video-expose/>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvLFEh7V18A < https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvLFEh7V18A>

Google Jim Halperin....

The funny thing is - at least coins were a precious metal. Not sure what you can do with a MacSE that you paid $200,000 for when it back to being worth $50. Or a boxed Mario Bros for NES.