I propose that we pick a day and time each week were persons turn on their vintage computing systems that can receive outside communications via dial up, telnet or, other networking. I think keeping a BBS or VAX machine up and running all of the time is tough, but if there is a window where you know that's when people kind of expect it, it'll be more managable...Do I hear a second? We can use the vcforum to post that week's list of who is online and when. Basically a sticky thread where people post the URL or IP address, phone number, etc and technical details to help others make the connection, hours of operation. I can help assign subdomains, etc if anyone needs networking assistance. For example I have alpha2100.vintagecomputer.net assigned to my Alpha here in my basement, but I don't run it 24/7, but I would be willing to schedule to turn it on on a known schedule to make it worth doing. This way I can be there to supervise / troubleshoot. This Friday night (tomorrow)I have to watch the kids, so once they're in bed, say 9PM, I could run a few systems until about midnight to help kick things off. It might be fun to see how many systems a person can hit, catch the flag style. Maybe we could make some sort of challenge of it. Send an email from one or download a file. Just for fun. Bill
On Thu, 2 Feb 2017, william degnan via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2017 23:12:48 -0500 From: william degnan via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> Cc: william degnan <billdegnan@gmail.com> Subject: [vcf-midatlantic] vintage comms days
I propose that we pick a day and time each week were persons turn on their vintage computing systems that can receive outside communications via dial up, telnet or, other networking. I think keeping a BBS or VAX machine up and running all of the time is tough, but if there is a window where you know that's when people kind of expect it, it'll be more managable...Do I hear a second?
We can use the vcforum to post that week's list of who is online and when. Basically a sticky thread where people post the URL or IP address, phone number, etc and technical details to help others make the connection, hours of operation.
I can help assign subdomains, etc if anyone needs networking assistance. For example I have alpha2100.vintagecomputer.net assigned to my Alpha here in my basement, but I don't run it 24/7, but I would be willing to schedule to turn it on on a known schedule to make it worth doing. This way I can be there to supervise / troubleshoot.
This Friday night (tomorrow)I have to watch the kids, so once they're in bed, say 9PM, I could run a few systems until about midnight to help kick things off. It might be fun to see how many systems a person can hit, catch the flag style. Maybe we could make some sort of challenge of it. Send an email from one or download a file. Just for fun.
Bill
Bill, Excellent idea. I have several 300bps devices that would be fun to connect to anything - dial-up of course. Jim js@sdf.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org
I think that bringing back a number dial-up BBS's would be really cool. Let's re-live the 1980's in the 2010's. :-) On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 10:23 AM Jim Scheef via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
On Thu, 2 Feb 2017, william degnan via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2017 23:12:48 -0500 From: william degnan via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org
Cc: william degnan <billdegnan@gmail.com> Subject: [vcf-midatlantic] vintage comms days
I propose that we pick a day and time each week were persons turn on their vintage computing systems that can receive outside communications via dial up, telnet or, other networking. I think keeping a BBS or VAX machine up and running all of the time is tough, but if there is a window where you know that's when people kind of expect it, it'll be more managable...Do I hear a second?
We can use the vcforum to post that week's list of who is online and when. Basically a sticky thread where people post the URL or IP address, phone number, etc and technical details to help others make the connection, hours of operation.
I can help assign subdomains, etc if anyone needs networking assistance. For example I have alpha2100.vintagecomputer.net assigned to my Alpha here in my basement, but I don't run it 24/7, but I would be willing to schedule to turn it on on a known schedule to make it worth doing. This way I can be there to supervise / troubleshoot.
This Friday night (tomorrow)I have to watch the kids, so once they're in bed, say 9PM, I could run a few systems until about midnight to help kick things off. It might be fun to see how many systems a person can hit, catch the flag style. Maybe we could make some sort of challenge of it. Send an email from one or download a file. Just for fun.
Bill
Bill, Excellent idea. I have several 300bps devices that would be fun to connect to anything - dial-up of course. Jim
js@sdf.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org
-- Normal Person: Hey, it seems that you know a lot. Geek: To be honest, it's due to all the surfing I do. Normal Person: So you go surfing? Normal Person: But I don't think that has anything to do with knowing a lot... Geek: I think that's wrong on a fundamental level. Normal Person: Huh? Huh? What?
Bill, Excellent idea. I have several 300bps devices that would be fun to connect to anything - dial-up of course. Jim
js@sdf.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org
<fixing top post> On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Joseph Oprysko via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
I think that bringing back a number dial-up BBS's would be really cool. Let's re-live the 1980's in the 2010's. :-)
Who actually has a dial tone phone and connects to BBSs? I think a lot of this will have to be telnet BBS, and TCP/IP stuff, but anything goes as long as it's passing through vintage gear for part of it. Bill
On Fri, 3 Feb 2017, william degnan via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 13:13:44 -0500 From: william degnan via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> Cc: william degnan <billdegnan@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] vintage comms days
Bill, Excellent idea. I have several 300bps devices that would be fun to connect to anything - dial-up of course. Jim
js@sdf.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org
<fixing top post>
On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Joseph Oprysko via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
I think that bringing back a number dial-up BBS's would be really cool. Let's re-live the 1980's in the 2010's. :-)
Who actually has a dial tone phone and connects to BBSs? I think a lot of this will have to be telnet BBS, and TCP/IP stuff, but anything goes as long as it's passing through vintage gear for part of it.
Bill
Bill, Given the billions of people on the planet, there must be two or three who regularly dial into a BBS. I would not be one of them but the novelty and fun of it would be reason enough in this case. I've been looking for somewhere to which I could connect via a TRS-80 Model 100, an HP Portable or this Tandy terminal thing with an acoustic coupler (hopefully I have some thermal paper). The terminal thing is untested because I had no where to dial. The SDF Public Access UNIX system (where I am typing this) offers dial-up which I plan to try any day now. Jim js@sdf.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org
On Thu, Feb 02, 2017 at 11:12:48PM -0500, william degnan via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
I propose that we pick a day and time each week were persons turn on their vintage computing systems that can receive outside communications via dial up, telnet or, other networking.
My PDP-8 is available all the time. http://www.pdp8online.com/run.shtml Alas the interface is Java which has gone from the hot new thing when I originally did it to obsolete in browsers. Will have to figure out how to redo it when I get time.
On Feb 3, 2017 7:32 PM, "David Gesswein via vcf-midatlantic" < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
On Thu, Feb 02, 2017 at 11:12:48PM -0500, william degnan via
vcf-midatlantic wrote:
I propose that we pick a day and time each week were persons turn on their vintage computing systems that can receive outside communications via dial up, telnet or, other networking.
My PDP-8 is available all the time. http://www.pdp8online.com/run.shtml Alas the interface is Java which has gone from the hot new thing when I originally did it to obsolete in browsers. Will have to figure out how to redo it when I get time.
Just curious, what is the issue? Bill
On Fri, Feb 03, 2017 at 07:40:09PM -0500, william degnan via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
My PDP-8 is available all the time. http://www.pdp8online.com/run.shtml Alas the interface is Java which has gone from the hot new thing when I originally did it to obsolete in browsers. Will have to figure out how to redo it when I get time.
Just curious, what is the issue?
On Fri, Feb 03, 2017 at 07:45:06PM -0500, Dan Roganti wrote:
???oh I remember yours Dave But didn't you mean javascript I noticed this doesn't work anymore on Chrome ver.45 and later But other browsers still do I think having a Java app instead would be ideal, it's still cross platform, and no need for browsers Dan
Its a Java browser app, not javascript. The problem is due to the security issues with java browsers are making it harder and harder to run java in the browser and many people don't have the plugin installed. At some point only signed apps are going to be supported. If it wasn't dying in the browser I could purchase yearly the code signing cert. It could easly be distributed as a standalone java app but I suspect many people would find that too much trouble. I think that I will need to convert it to javascript so all they need to do is click.
On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 8:01 PM, David Gesswein via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
On Fri, Feb 03, 2017 at 07:40:09PM -0500, william degnan via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
My PDP-8 is available all the time. http://www.pdp8online.com/run. shtml Alas the interface is Java which has gone from the hot new thing when I originally did it to obsolete in browsers. Will have to figure out how to redo it when I get time.
Just curious, what is the issue?
On Fri, Feb 03, 2017 at 07:45:06PM -0500, Dan Roganti wrote:
???oh I remember yours Dave But didn't you mean javascript I noticed this doesn't work anymore on Chrome ver.45 and later But other browsers still do I think having a Java app instead would be ideal, it's still cross platform, and no need for browsers Dan
Its a Java browser app, not javascript. The problem is due to the security issues with java browsers are making it harder and harder to run java in the browser and many people don't have the plugin installed. At some point only signed apps are going to be supported. If it wasn't dying in the browser I could purchase yearly the code signing cert.
It could easly be distributed as a standalone java app but I suspect many people would find that too much trouble. I think that I will need to convert it to javascript so all they need to do is click.
might I suggest another flavor of Java, it's called Processing, with a strong suite of libraries in almost every category and the compiler runs on the 3 major platforms it's brought many people from other fields to programming using a cohesive form of the language https://processing.org/
Processing.js is part of bootstrap. Bill Degnan twitter: billdeg vintagecomputer.net
On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 8:28 PM, william degnan via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
Processing.js is part of bootstrap.
Bill Degnan twitter: billdeg vintagecomputer.net
oh I see there, that it's used for browsers now too, cool http://processingjs.org/ Dan -- _ ____ / \__/ Scotty, We Need More Power !! \_/ _\__ Aye, Cap'n, but we've only got 80 col's !!
On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 8:22 PM, Dan Roganti <ragooman@gmail.com> wrote:
might I suggest another flavor of Java, it's called Processing,
with a strong suite of libraries in almost every category and the compiler runs on the 3 major platforms it's brought many people from other fields to programming using a cohesive form of the language https://processing.org/
btw, another helpful tidbit, you don't need 3 platforms to build it for any user platform any platform will create builds for all 3 platforms not sure if this was included with the original Java compiler so I would upload all three builds and anyone can download it just wanted to point this out Dan
degnanco.net, the background bubbles effect, is built using processing.js On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 8:39 PM, Dan Roganti via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 8:22 PM, Dan Roganti <ragooman@gmail.com> wrote:
might I suggest another flavor of Java, it's called Processing,
with a strong suite of libraries in almost every category and the compiler runs on the 3 major platforms it's brought many people from other fields to programming using a cohesive form of the language https://processing.org/
btw, another helpful tidbit, you don't need 3 platforms to build it for any user platform any platform will create builds for all 3 platforms not sure if this was included with the original Java compiler so I would upload all three builds and anyone can download it just wanted to point this out Dan
On 02/03/2017 08:22 PM, Dan Roganti via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 8:01 PM, David Gesswein via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
On Fri, Feb 03, 2017 at 07:40:09PM -0500, william degnan via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
My PDP-8 is available all the time. http://www.pdp8online.com/run. shtml Alas the interface is Java which has gone from the hot new thing when I originally did it to obsolete in browsers. Will have to figure out how to redo it when I get time.
Just curious, what is the issue?
On Fri, Feb 03, 2017 at 07:45:06PM -0500, Dan Roganti wrote:
???oh I remember yours Dave But didn't you mean javascript I noticed this doesn't work anymore on Chrome ver.45 and later But other browsers still do I think having a Java app instead would be ideal, it's still cross platform, and no need for browsers Dan
Its a Java browser app, not javascript. The problem is due to the security issues with java browsers are making it harder and harder to run java in the browser and many people don't have the plugin installed. At some point only signed apps are going to be supported. If it wasn't dying in the browser I could purchase yearly the code signing cert.
might I suggest another flavor of Java, it's called Processing,
I didn't know that was a superset of Java but the issue still remains. Most browser are blocking any Java (that means the JVM) so you can't even run Processing. -- Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry ncherry@linuxha.com http://www.linuxha.com/ Main site http://linuxha.blogspot.com/ My HA Blog Author of: Linux Smart Homes For Dummies
On 02/03/2017 10:20 PM, Neil Cherry via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
On 02/03/2017 08:22 PM, Dan Roganti via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
might I suggest another flavor of Java, it's called Processing,
I didn't know that was a superset of Java but the issue still remains. Most browser are blocking any Java (that means the JVM) so you can't even run Processing.
I spoke too soon, sorry (just read it also support JS). -- Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry ncherry@linuxha.com http://www.linuxha.com/ Main site http://linuxha.blogspot.com/ My HA Blog Author of: Linux Smart Homes For Dummies
On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 10:27 PM, Neil Cherry via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
On 02/03/2017 10:20 PM, Neil Cherry via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
On 02/03/2017 08:22 PM, Dan Roganti via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
might I suggest another flavor of Java, it's called Processing,
I didn't know that was a superset of Java but the issue still remains. Most browser are blocking any Java (that means the JVM) so you can't even run Processing.
I spoke too soon, sorry (just read it also support JS).
yea, the one Deganan mentioned processingjs works with html5 browsers, which I just found out works in nearly every browser, if not all of them the first one I mentioned, processing is just another flavor of java, not javascript or applet so thats just another executable you can run in the cli Dan
On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 7:30 PM, David Gesswein via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
On Thu, Feb 02, 2017 at 11:12:48PM -0500, william degnan via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
I propose that we pick a day and time each week were persons turn on their vintage computing systems that can receive outside communications via dial up, telnet or, other networking.
My PDP-8 is available all the time. http://www.pdp8online.com/run.shtml Alas the interface is Java which has gone from the hot new thing when I originally did it to obsolete in browsers. Will have to figure out how to redo it when I get time.
oh I remember yours Dave But didn't you mean javascript I noticed this doesn't work anymore on Chrome ver.45 and later But other browsers still do I think having a Java app instead would be ideal, it's still cross platform, and no need for browsers Dan
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