Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Announcement: Administrative and Policy Changes
On Sun, Oct 27, 2024 at 18:11 Sentrytv via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
I’m here. I thought VCF was chosen to compete with TCF.
It was definitely not to compete with TCF. I was part of the founding. TCF is the Trenton Computer Festival and a once a year event started in 1976? in NJ. Vintage Computer *Festival* was started in 1997 in California. Vintage Computer *Federation* was started in 2016. I can’t recall the exact reason, but likely to match the acronym VCF which was the *Festival *as well as be global sounding and nature with Festivals around the world. The biggest problem as I see it is that people have trouble distinguishing between the *Festival* and the *Federation*. I have to explain to many people the difference between them. Vintage Computer Festival West and Vintage Computer Festival East are run by the Vintage Computer Federation. The other Festivals are independent. I have been to VCF West, VCF East, VCF MidWest, VCF SouthWest, VCF Pacific Northwest, World of Commodore, Trenton Computer Festival, HOPE, World Maker Faire and have had to explain the differences at each event. There are even people that confuse Trenton Computer Festival and Vintage Computer Festival.
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On Oct 27, 2024, at 5:33 PM, Jeff Salzman via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
The name MARCH was suggested because of its prior familiarity, and that there is already a BARCH for the Bay Area Retro Computing Hobbyists, which is technically VCF Bay Area.
BARCH and MARCH
Another reason to stick with the naming convention is that it rolls off the tongue better than saying a bunch of consonants, yet still maintaining a meaning as an acronym.
Jeff Salzman
On Sun, Oct 27, 2024, 3:57 PM W2HX via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
How about just VCFED-NJ people will generally know where New Jersey is located. If, someday, another chapter is opened in, say North Carolina, they can just call themselves VCFED-NC
73 Eugene W2HX My Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@w2hx/videos
-----Original Message----- From: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic-bounces@lists.vcfed.org> On Behalf Of Joshua Abraham via vcf-midatlantic Sent: Friday, October 25, 2024 6:16 PM To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> Cc: Joshua Abraham <jarvideo@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Announcement: Administrative and Policy Changes
Just my two cents, but I feel like Mid-Atlantic should be retired for a more defined region name such as North East or New England to better define the center of the chapter's operations.
The term "Mid- Atlantic" I have seen in other circles to be very broadly defined at times from as far south as the Carolinas and as far north as New York State.
That being said I think there would be a benefit in selecting a name that better aligns with many of the other regional groups official or otherwise for the sake of consistency to the layman.
I know that technically Vcf does live within the mid Atlantic boundary, but being on the outer edge, it may be best to focus on a more central name.
Who knows, another group could pop up between new Jersey and Georgia one day. May as well plan for the future.
Respectfully, Joshua.
On Fri, Oct 25, 2024, 5:09 PM Sentrytv via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Thomas and to all
Are the items that you mentioned here (and others pending) going to be brought up at the Festivus meeting that we usually have in December and VCF members allowed to vote on it?( or sooner) I am sure that you and the others will keep us Informed.
Mike Rosen
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On Oct 25, 2024, at 2:40 PM, Thomas G via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
We in the steering committee have been considering making a number of changes to our operation, role, and focus for the past few weeks. We feel that our operation and communication has not been as effective as it could be, given our stated goals, and are also considering certain changes to the broader aspects of VCF Mid-Atlantic, such as membership, elections, and defining our role in relation to VCF National, largely in response to feedback from VCF Mid-Atlantic members. One of the changes we are considering, while largely inconsequential, is to revive the name 'MARCH' (short for 'Mid Atlantic Retro Computing Hobbyists') to replace the clunky 'VCF Mid-Atlantic'. We are still in the deliberating process, but one change worth reporting has already occurred - Jeff Salzman has delegated the role of Steering Committee Chairman to Thomas Gilinsky. The composition of the steering committee has not changed aside from this.
Further information will be made available as we finalize our decisions.
The reason for Federation was a Star Trek reference. I remember it being mentioned. On Mon, Oct 28, 2024 at 9:44 AM Jeffrey Brace via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
On Sun, Oct 27, 2024 at 18:11 Sentrytv via vcf-midatlantic < It was definitely not to compete with TCF. I was part of the founding. TCF is the Trenton Computer Festival and a once a year event started in 1976? in NJ. Vintage Computer *Festival* was started in 1997 in California. Vintage Computer *Federation* was started in 2016. I can’t recall the exact reason, but likely to match the acronym VCF which was the *Festival *as well as be global sounding and nature with Festivals around the world.
Also if you look at the logo and compare it to the United Federation of Plants you will see the similarity. On Mon, Oct 28, 2024 at 9:58 AM Christian Liendo <cliendo@gmail.com> wrote:
The reason for Federation was a Star Trek reference. I remember it being mentioned.
On Mon, Oct 28, 2024 at 9:44 AM Jeffrey Brace via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
On Sun, Oct 27, 2024 at 18:11 Sentrytv via vcf-midatlantic < It was definitely not to compete with TCF. I was part of the founding. TCF is the Trenton Computer Festival and a once a year event started in 1976? in NJ. Vintage Computer *Festival* was started in 1997 in California. Vintage Computer *Federation* was started in 2016. I can’t recall the exact reason, but likely to match the acronym VCF which was the *Festival *as well as be global sounding and nature with Festivals around the world.
Thanks to Dan Roganti's genius design! On Mon, Oct 28, 2024 at 10:24 AM Christian Liendo via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Also if you look at the logo and compare it to the United Federation of Plants you will see the similarity.
On Mon, Oct 28, 2024 at 9:58 AM Christian Liendo <cliendo@gmail.com> wrote:
The reason for Federation was a Star Trek reference. I remember it being mentioned.
On Mon, Oct 28, 2024 at 9:44 AM Jeffrey Brace via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
On Sun, Oct 27, 2024 at 18:11 Sentrytv via vcf-midatlantic < It was definitely not to compete with TCF. I was part of the founding.
TCF
is the Trenton Computer Festival and a once a year event started in 1976? in NJ. Vintage Computer *Festival* was started in 1997 in California. Vintage Computer *Federation* was started in 2016. I can’t recall the exact reason, but likely to match the acronym VCF which was the *Festival *as well as be global sounding and nature with Festivals around the world.
You have a lot of talent in the group right now, come up with a totally new name. None of the original MARCH people has spoken about re-using the name. Interesting. As an original member, I say MARCH has passed, please. Personally I would hope you'll use a different name than MARCH. Brings to mind a rock band that goes around calling themselves Kansas or Lynyrd Skynyrd, without any of the original members. Bill On Mon, Oct 28, 2024 at 9:44 AM Jeffrey Brace via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
On Sun, Oct 27, 2024 at 18:11 Sentrytv via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
I’m here. I thought VCF was chosen to compete with TCF.
It was definitely not to compete with TCF. I was part of the founding. TCF is the Trenton Computer Festival and a once a year event started in 1976? in NJ. Vintage Computer *Festival* was started in 1997 in California. Vintage Computer *Federation* was started in 2016. I can’t recall the exact reason, but likely to match the acronym VCF which was the *Festival *as well as be global sounding and nature with Festivals around the world.
The biggest problem as I see it is that people have trouble distinguishing between the *Festival* and the *Federation*. I have to explain to many people the difference between them. Vintage Computer Festival West and Vintage Computer Festival East are run by the Vintage Computer Federation. The other Festivals are independent. I have been to VCF West, VCF East, VCF MidWest, VCF SouthWest, VCF Pacific Northwest, World of Commodore, Trenton Computer Festival, HOPE, World Maker Faire and have had to explain the differences at each event. There are even people that confuse Trenton Computer Festival and Vintage Computer Festival.
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On Oct 27, 2024, at 5:33 PM, Jeff Salzman via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
The name MARCH was suggested because of its prior familiarity, and
that
there is already a BARCH for the Bay Area Retro Computing Hobbyists, which is technically VCF Bay Area.
BARCH and MARCH
Another reason to stick with the naming convention is that it rolls off the tongue better than saying a bunch of consonants, yet still maintaining a meaning as an acronym.
Jeff Salzman
On Sun, Oct 27, 2024, 3:57 PM W2HX via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
How about just VCFED-NJ people will generally know where New Jersey is located. If, someday, another chapter is opened in, say North Carolina, they can just call themselves VCFED-NC
73 Eugene W2HX My Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@w2hx/videos
-----Original Message----- From: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic-bounces@lists.vcfed.org> On Behalf Of Joshua Abraham via vcf-midatlantic Sent: Friday, October 25, 2024 6:16 PM To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> Cc: Joshua Abraham <jarvideo@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Announcement: Administrative and Policy Changes
Just my two cents, but I feel like Mid-Atlantic should be retired for a more defined region name such as North East or New England to better define the center of the chapter's operations.
The term "Mid- Atlantic" I have seen in other circles to be very broadly defined at times from as far south as the Carolinas and as far north as New York State.
That being said I think there would be a benefit in selecting a name that better aligns with many of the other regional groups official or otherwise for the sake of consistency to the layman.
I know that technically Vcf does live within the mid Atlantic boundary, but being on the outer edge, it may be best to focus on a more central name.
Who knows, another group could pop up between new Jersey and Georgia one day. May as well plan for the future.
Respectfully, Joshua.
On Fri, Oct 25, 2024, 5:09 PM Sentrytv via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Thomas and to all
Are the items that you mentioned here (and others pending) going to be brought up at the Festivus meeting that we usually have in December and VCF members allowed to vote on it?( or sooner) I am sure that you and the others will keep us Informed.
Mike Rosen
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On Oct 25, 2024, at 2:40 PM, Thomas G via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
We in the steering committee have been considering making a number of changes to our operation, role, and focus for the past few weeks. We feel that our operation and communication has not been as effective as it could be, given our stated goals, and are also considering certain changes to the broader aspects of VCF Mid-Atlantic, such as membership, elections, and defining our role in relation to VCF National, largely in response to feedback from VCF Mid-Atlantic members. One of the changes we are considering, while largely inconsequential, is to revive the name 'MARCH' (short for 'Mid Atlantic Retro Computing Hobbyists') to replace the clunky 'VCF Mid-Atlantic'. We are still in the deliberating process, but one change worth reporting has already occurred - Jeff Salzman has delegated the role of Steering Committee Chairman to Thomas Gilinsky. The composition of the steering committee has not changed aside from this.
Further information will be made available as we finalize our decisions.
On Mon, Oct 28, 2024 at 11:26 PM Bill Degnan <billdegnan@gmail.com> wrote:
You have a lot of talent in the group right now, come up with a totally new name.
None of the original MARCH people has spoken about re-using the name. Interesting. As an original member, I say MARCH has passed, please. Personally I would hope you'll use a different name than MARCH. Brings to mind a rock band that goes around calling themselves Kansas or Lynyrd Skynyrd, without any of the original members.
Bill
Actually I take that back. I don't really care, but it's weird to me. MARCH is the original name of the club, it's not owned by the original members, but there is no reason why original members can't re-engage in it I suppose. I guess I am saying I changed my mind, it does not bother me. Bill
You could bring a device that produces a mild electric shock, and when people ask you can shock them until they change the subject. I have a portable shock stick that I use in every day life when needed, really reduces the stress. On Mon, Oct 28, 2024 at 9:44 AM Jeffrey Brace via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
On Sun, Oct 27, 2024 at 18:11 Sentrytv via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
I’m here. I thought VCF was chosen to compete with TCF.
It was definitely not to compete with TCF. I was part of the founding. TCF is the Trenton Computer Festival and a once a year event started in 1976? in NJ. Vintage Computer *Festival* was started in 1997 in California. Vintage Computer *Federation* was started in 2016. I can’t recall the exact reason, but likely to match the acronym VCF which was the *Festival *as well as be global sounding and nature with Festivals around the world.
The biggest problem as I see it is that people have trouble distinguishing between the *Festival* and the *Federation*. I have to explain to many people the difference between them. Vintage Computer Festival West and Vintage Computer Festival East are run by the Vintage Computer Federation. The other Festivals are independent. I have been to VCF West, VCF East, VCF MidWest, VCF SouthWest, VCF Pacific Northwest, World of Commodore, Trenton Computer Festival, HOPE, World Maker Faire and have had to explain the differences at each event. There are even people that confuse Trenton Computer Festival and Vintage Computer Festival.
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On Oct 27, 2024, at 5:33 PM, Jeff Salzman via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
The name MARCH was suggested because of its prior familiarity, and
that
there is already a BARCH for the Bay Area Retro Computing Hobbyists, which is technically VCF Bay Area.
BARCH and MARCH
Another reason to stick with the naming convention is that it rolls off the tongue better than saying a bunch of consonants, yet still maintaining a meaning as an acronym.
Jeff Salzman
On Sun, Oct 27, 2024, 3:57 PM W2HX via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
How about just VCFED-NJ people will generally know where New Jersey is located. If, someday, another chapter is opened in, say North Carolina, they can just call themselves VCFED-NC
73 Eugene W2HX My Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@w2hx/videos
-----Original Message----- From: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic-bounces@lists.vcfed.org> On Behalf Of Joshua Abraham via vcf-midatlantic Sent: Friday, October 25, 2024 6:16 PM To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> Cc: Joshua Abraham <jarvideo@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Announcement: Administrative and Policy Changes
Just my two cents, but I feel like Mid-Atlantic should be retired for a more defined region name such as North East or New England to better define the center of the chapter's operations.
The term "Mid- Atlantic" I have seen in other circles to be very broadly defined at times from as far south as the Carolinas and as far north as New York State.
That being said I think there would be a benefit in selecting a name that better aligns with many of the other regional groups official or otherwise for the sake of consistency to the layman.
I know that technically Vcf does live within the mid Atlantic boundary, but being on the outer edge, it may be best to focus on a more central name.
Who knows, another group could pop up between new Jersey and Georgia one day. May as well plan for the future.
Respectfully, Joshua.
On Fri, Oct 25, 2024, 5:09 PM Sentrytv via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Thomas and to all
Are the items that you mentioned here (and others pending) going to be brought up at the Festivus meeting that we usually have in December and VCF members allowed to vote on it?( or sooner) I am sure that you and the others will keep us Informed.
Mike Rosen
Sent from: My extremely complicated, hand held electronic device.
On Oct 25, 2024, at 2:40 PM, Thomas G via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
We in the steering committee have been considering making a number of changes to our operation, role, and focus for the past few weeks. We feel that our operation and communication has not been as effective as it could be, given our stated goals, and are also considering certain changes to the broader aspects of VCF Mid-Atlantic, such as membership, elections, and defining our role in relation to VCF National, largely in response to feedback from VCF Mid-Atlantic members. One of the changes we are considering, while largely inconsequential, is to revive the name 'MARCH' (short for 'Mid Atlantic Retro Computing Hobbyists') to replace the clunky 'VCF Mid-Atlantic'. We are still in the deliberating process, but one change worth reporting has already occurred - Jeff Salzman has delegated the role of Steering Committee Chairman to Thomas Gilinsky. The composition of the steering committee has not changed aside from this.
Further information will be made available as we finalize our decisions.
One thing that has yet to be brought up, at least that I spotted and I apologize if I missed it, is that part of the reason our group is called VCF is we manage and curate the Federations collection. None of the comparisons in Thomas G’s post are true comparisons because of that one (and in my mind significant) fact. The warehouse and museum contents do NOT belong to VCF-MA (or MARCH or whatever else you wish to call it) they belong To VCF. That doesn’t mean our group couldn’t have a different name and continue curating VCFs collection of course, but it does set us apart from every and any other group that exists in this country. And for that reason, several others and one other major reason the name change was made to what it currently is. The other major reason? two VCF National Board members being part of VCF MA and in charge of its creation as a 501c and its daily and financial operations. Again, these points don’t preclude changing the name, but I believe this is important information for everyone to know and it does make our group unique and in the same Ocean but not in the same boat (sorry, couldn’t help myself) as everyone else. Tony Bogan
On Oct 29, 2024, at 8:19 AM, Bill Degnan via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
You could bring a device that produces a mild electric shock, and when people ask you can shock them until they change the subject. I have a portable shock stick that I use in every day life when needed, really reduces the stress.
On Mon, Oct 28, 2024 at 9:44 AM Jeffrey Brace via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
On Sun, Oct 27, 2024 at 18:11 Sentrytv via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
I’m here. I thought VCF was chosen to compete with TCF.
It was definitely not to compete with TCF. I was part of the founding. TCF is the Trenton Computer Festival and a once a year event started in 1976? in NJ. Vintage Computer *Festival* was started in 1997 in California. Vintage Computer *Federation* was started in 2016. I can’t recall the exact reason, but likely to match the acronym VCF which was the *Festival *as well as be global sounding and nature with Festivals around the world.
The biggest problem as I see it is that people have trouble distinguishing between the *Festival* and the *Federation*. I have to explain to many people the difference between them. Vintage Computer Festival West and Vintage Computer Festival East are run by the Vintage Computer Federation. The other Festivals are independent. I have been to VCF West, VCF East, VCF MidWest, VCF SouthWest, VCF Pacific Northwest, World of Commodore, Trenton Computer Festival, HOPE, World Maker Faire and have had to explain the differences at each event. There are even people that confuse Trenton Computer Festival and Vintage Computer Festival.
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On Oct 27, 2024, at 5:33 PM, Jeff Salzman via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
The name MARCH was suggested because of its prior familiarity, and
that
there is already a BARCH for the Bay Area Retro Computing Hobbyists, which is technically VCF Bay Area.
BARCH and MARCH
Another reason to stick with the naming convention is that it rolls off the tongue better than saying a bunch of consonants, yet still maintaining a meaning as an acronym.
Jeff Salzman
On Sun, Oct 27, 2024, 3:57 PM W2HX via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
How about just VCFED-NJ people will generally know where New Jersey is located. If, someday, another chapter is opened in, say North Carolina, they can just call themselves VCFED-NC
73 Eugene W2HX My Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@w2hx/videos
-----Original Message----- From: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic-bounces@lists.vcfed.org> On Behalf Of Joshua Abraham via vcf-midatlantic Sent: Friday, October 25, 2024 6:16 PM To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> Cc: Joshua Abraham <jarvideo@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Announcement: Administrative and Policy Changes
Just my two cents, but I feel like Mid-Atlantic should be retired for a more defined region name such as North East or New England to better define the center of the chapter's operations.
The term "Mid- Atlantic" I have seen in other circles to be very broadly defined at times from as far south as the Carolinas and as far north as New York State.
That being said I think there would be a benefit in selecting a name that better aligns with many of the other regional groups official or otherwise for the sake of consistency to the layman.
I know that technically Vcf does live within the mid Atlantic boundary, but being on the outer edge, it may be best to focus on a more central name.
Who knows, another group could pop up between new Jersey and Georgia one day. May as well plan for the future.
Respectfully, Joshua.
On Fri, Oct 25, 2024, 5:09 PM Sentrytv via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Thomas and to all
Are the items that you mentioned here (and others pending) going to be brought up at the Festivus meeting that we usually have in December and VCF members allowed to vote on it?( or sooner) I am sure that you and the others will keep us Informed.
Mike Rosen
Sent from: My extremely complicated, hand held electronic device.
> On Oct 25, 2024, at 2:40 PM, Thomas G via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > > We in the steering committee have been considering making a number > of changes to our operation, role, and focus for the past few weeks. > We feel that our operation and communication has not been as > effective as it could > be, given our stated goals, and are also considering certain changes > to the > broader aspects of VCF Mid-Atlantic, such as membership, elections, > and defining our role in relation to VCF National, largely in > response to feedback from VCF Mid-Atlantic members. One of the > changes we are considering, while largely inconsequential, is to revive the name 'MARCH' > (short for 'Mid Atlantic Retro Computing Hobbyists') to replace the clunky > 'VCF Mid-Atlantic'. We are still in the deliberating process, but > one change worth reporting has already occurred - Jeff Salzman has > delegated the role of Steering Committee Chairman to Thomas > Gilinsky. The composition > of the steering committee has not changed aside from this. > > Further information will be made available as we finalize our decisions.
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