Re: [vcf-midatlantic] IBM PC near-compatibles
Following up on two things. I have a NEC machine (nicknamed the "Herniator" because of it's weight) that came to me via Kyle that is a PC near compatible that has 8 inch drives. Runs MS-DOS. It at least, I'd say, is a little interesting. I don't know of many other MS-DOS compatible machines that ran off 8 inch floppy. And in theme with Herb's kerosene powered fan, I actually own a gasoline powered clothes iron. Looks like a regular small iron but is gasoline powered. Seriously. Earl
On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 12:26 PM, Earl Baugh via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
And in theme with Herb's kerosene powered fan, I actually own a gasoline powered clothes iron. Looks like a regular small iron but is gasoline powered. Seriously.
Earl
I've got to see this. Do you have a photo you could upload somewhere? I love really old, weird devices like that. I have a calculator that had a few metal sliders marked with numbers that you'd slide up and down with a stylus to do calculations with, and it was color coded to tell you when to do a carry.
The AT&T 6300 was an example of a system that was 99.9% compatible with the IBM standard and actually made inroads to the market because of it. Working at Simon & Schuster in the 80's, we had many of these machines because Microsoft Word for DOS had a driver for the 640 x 400 graphics mode that allowed for WYSIWYG editing, and as well it cost a bit less. Faster than the XT, the software and 8-bit ISA slot compatibility were very high, but it had proprietary 16-bit slots which limited it's usefulness in the long term. Very sturdy machines, however. Hoping to add one to my collection someday. On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Drew Notarnicola via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 12:26 PM, Earl Baugh via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
And in theme with Herb's kerosene powered fan, I actually own a gasoline powered clothes iron. Looks like a regular small iron but is gasoline powered. Seriously.
Earl
I've got to see this. Do you have a photo you could upload somewhere? I love really old, weird devices like that. I have a calculator that had a few metal sliders marked with numbers that you'd slide up and down with a stylus to do calculations with, and it was color coded to tell you when to do a carry.
On 10/25/2017 01:24 PM, Dean Notarnicola via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
The AT&T 6300 was an example of a system that was 99.9% compatible with the IBM standard and actually made inroads to the market because of it. Working at Simon & Schuster in the 80's, we had many of these machines because Microsoft Word for DOS had a driver for the 640 x 400 graphics mode that allowed for WYSIWYG editing, and as well it cost a bit less. Faster than the XT, the software and 8-bit ISA slot compatibility were very high, but it had proprietary 16-bit slots which limited it's usefulness in the long term. Very sturdy machines, however. Hoping to add one to my collection someday.
They really are very nice machines. In my early teen years I worked at a computer store in Lawrenceville, NJ. We were, among other things, a dealer for AT&T computers. Through some quirk of stupid suitly madness, AT&T ended up buying scads of AT&T computers from us. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
And to think I have a 6300 sitting in it's original box in the garage that I can't generate any interest for locally. --Jason On 10/25/2017 10:24 AM, Dean Notarnicola via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
The AT&T 6300 was an example of a system that was 99.9% compatible with the IBM standard and actually made inroads to the market because of it. Working at Simon & Schuster in the 80's, we had many of these machines because Microsoft Word for DOS had a driver for the 640 x 400 graphics mode that allowed for WYSIWYG editing, and as well it cost a bit less. Faster than the XT, the software and 8-bit ISA slot compatibility were very high, but it had proprietary 16-bit slots which limited it's usefulness in the long term. Very sturdy machines, however. Hoping to add one to my collection someday.
On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Drew Notarnicola via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 12:26 PM, Earl Baugh via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
And in theme with Herb's kerosene powered fan, I actually own a gasoline powered clothes iron. Looks like a regular small iron but is gasoline powered. Seriously.
Earl
I've got to see this. Do you have a photo you could upload somewhere? I love really old, weird devices like that. I have a calculator that had a few metal sliders marked with numbers that you'd slide up and down with a stylus to do calculations with, and it was color coded to tell you when to do a carry.
!!!!!!!! Let's talk On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 4:22 PM Jason Howe via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
And to think I have a 6300 sitting in it's original box in the garage that I can't generate any interest for locally.
--Jason
On 10/25/2017 10:24 AM, Dean Notarnicola via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
The AT&T 6300 was an example of a system that was 99.9% compatible with the IBM standard and actually made inroads to the market because of it. Working at Simon & Schuster in the 80's, we had many of these machines because Microsoft Word for DOS had a driver for the 640 x 400 graphics mode that allowed for WYSIWYG editing, and as well it cost a bit less. Faster than the XT, the software and 8-bit ISA slot compatibility were very high, but it had proprietary 16-bit slots which limited it's usefulness in the long term. Very sturdy machines, however. Hoping to add one to my collection someday.
On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Drew Notarnicola via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 12:26 PM, Earl Baugh via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
And in theme with Herb's kerosene powered fan, I actually own a gasoline powered clothes iron. Looks like a regular small iron but is gasoline powered. Seriously.
Earl
I've got to see this. Do you have a photo you could upload somewhere? I love really old, weird devices like that. I have a calculator that had a few metal sliders marked with numbers that you'd slide up and down with a stylus to do calculations with, and it was color coded to tell you when to do a carry.
Well I'd certainly never heard of it. -Dave On 10/25/2017 04:22 PM, Jason Howe via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
And to think I have a 6300 sitting in it's original box in the garage that I can't generate any interest for locally.
--Jason
On 10/25/2017 10:24 AM, Dean Notarnicola via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
The AT&T 6300 was an example of a system that was 99.9% compatible with the IBM standard and actually made inroads to the market because of it. Working at Simon & Schuster in the 80's, we had many of these machines because Microsoft Word for DOS had a driver for the 640 x 400 graphics mode that allowed for WYSIWYG editing, and as well it cost a bit less. Faster than the XT, the software and 8-bit ISA slot compatibility were very high, but it had proprietary 16-bit slots which limited it's usefulness in the long term. Very sturdy machines, however. Hoping to add one to my collection someday.
On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Drew Notarnicola via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 12:26 PM, Earl Baugh via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
And in theme with Herb's kerosene powered fan, I actually own a gasoline powered clothes iron. Looks like a regular small iron but is gasoline powered. Seriously.
Earl
I've got to see this. Do you have a photo you could upload somewhere? I love really old, weird devices like that. I have a calculator that had a few metal sliders marked with numbers that you'd slide up and down with a stylus to do calculations with, and it was color coded to tell you when to do a carry.
-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
I sent a message to this very list on 08/15/2014 offering it up! --Jason On 10/25/2017 06:24 PM, Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
Well I'd certainly never heard of it.
-Dave
On 10/25/2017 04:22 PM, Jason Howe via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
And to think I have a 6300 sitting in it's original box in the garage that I can't generate any interest for locally.
--Jason
On 10/25/2017 10:24 AM, Dean Notarnicola via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
The AT&T 6300 was an example of a system that was 99.9% compatible with the IBM standard and actually made inroads to the market because of it. Working at Simon & Schuster in the 80's, we had many of these machines because Microsoft Word for DOS had a driver for the 640 x 400 graphics mode that allowed for WYSIWYG editing, and as well it cost a bit less. Faster than the XT, the software and 8-bit ISA slot compatibility were very high, but it had proprietary 16-bit slots which limited it's usefulness in the long term. Very sturdy machines, however. Hoping to add one to my collection someday.
On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Drew Notarnicola via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 12:26 PM, Earl Baugh via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
And in theme with Herb's kerosene powered fan, I actually own a gasoline powered clothes iron. Looks like a regular small iron but is gasoline powered. Seriously.
Earl
I've got to see this. Do you have a photo you could upload somewhere? I love really old, weird devices like that. I have a calculator that had a few metal sliders marked with numbers that you'd slide up and down with a stylus to do calculations with, and it was color coded to tell you when to do a carry.
I must've missed it. It seems Dean is drooling. :) -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA On October 25, 2017 9:53:45 PM Jason Howe via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
I sent a message to this very list on 08/15/2014 offering it up!
--Jason
On 10/25/2017 06:24 PM, Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
Well I'd certainly never heard of it.
-Dave
On 10/25/2017 04:22 PM, Jason Howe via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
And to think I have a 6300 sitting in it's original box in the garage that I can't generate any interest for locally.
--Jason
On 10/25/2017 10:24 AM, Dean Notarnicola via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
The AT&T 6300 was an example of a system that was 99.9% compatible with the IBM standard and actually made inroads to the market because of it. Working at Simon & Schuster in the 80's, we had many of these machines because Microsoft Word for DOS had a driver for the 640 x 400 graphics mode that allowed for WYSIWYG editing, and as well it cost a bit less. Faster than the XT, the software and 8-bit ISA slot compatibility were very high, but it had proprietary 16-bit slots which limited it's usefulness in the long term. Very sturdy machines, however. Hoping to add one to my collection someday.
On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Drew Notarnicola via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 12:26 PM, Earl Baugh via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
And in theme with Herb's kerosene powered fan, I actually own a gasoline powered clothes iron. Looks like a regular small iron but is gasoline powered. Seriously.
Earl
I've got to see this. Do you have a photo you could upload somewhere? I love really old, weird devices like that. I have a calculator that had a few metal sliders marked with numbers that you'd slide up and down with a stylus to do calculations with, and it was color coded to tell you when to do a carry.
Precious... my precious... On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 10:18 PM, Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
I must've missed it. It seems Dean is drooling. :)
-Dave
-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
On October 25, 2017 9:53:45 PM Jason Howe via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
I sent a message to this very list on 08/15/2014 offering it up!
--Jason
On 10/25/2017 06:24 PM, Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
Well I'd certainly never heard of it.
-Dave
On 10/25/2017 04:22 PM, Jason Howe via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
And to think I have a 6300 sitting in it's original box in the garage that I can't generate any interest for locally.
--Jason
On 10/25/2017 10:24 AM, Dean Notarnicola via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
The AT&T 6300 was an example of a system that was 99.9% compatible with the IBM standard and actually made inroads to the market because of it. Working at Simon & Schuster in the 80's, we had many of these machines because Microsoft Word for DOS had a driver for the 640 x 400 graphics mode that allowed for WYSIWYG editing, and as well it cost a bit less. Faster than the XT, the software and 8-bit ISA slot compatibility were very high, but it had proprietary 16-bit slots which limited it's usefulness in the long term. Very sturdy machines, however. Hoping to add one to my collection someday.
On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Drew Notarnicola via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 12:26 PM, Earl Baugh via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
> And in theme with Herb's kerosene powered fan, I actually own a > gasoline > powered clothes iron. > Looks like a regular small iron but is gasoline powered. Seriously. > > > Earl > I've got to see this. Do you have a photo you could upload somewhere? I love really old, weird devices like that. I have a calculator that had a few metal sliders marked with numbers that you'd slide up and down with a stylus to do calculations with, and it was color coded to tell you when to do a carry.
All this talk of the AT&T PC-6300, I will need to start working on mine, which is giving me random parity error messages and crashing. Also I think the factory Olivetti floppy drive is getting quite flaky. On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 11:24 PM, Dean Notarnicola via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
Precious... my precious...
On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 10:18 PM, Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
I must've missed it. It seems Dean is drooling. :)
-Dave
-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
On October 25, 2017 9:53:45 PM Jason Howe via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
I sent a message to this very list on 08/15/2014 offering it up!
--Jason
On 10/25/2017 06:24 PM, Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
Well I'd certainly never heard of it.
-Dave
On 10/25/2017 04:22 PM, Jason Howe via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
And to think I have a 6300 sitting in it's original box in the garage that I can't generate any interest for locally.
--Jason
On 10/25/2017 10:24 AM, Dean Notarnicola via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
The AT&T 6300 was an example of a system that was 99.9% compatible with the IBM standard and actually made inroads to the market because of it. Working at Simon & Schuster in the 80's, we had many of these machines
because
Microsoft Word for DOS had a driver for the 640 x 400 graphics mode that allowed for WYSIWYG editing, and as well it cost a bit less. Faster than the XT, the software and 8-bit ISA slot compatibility were very high, but it had proprietary 16-bit slots which limited it's usefulness in the long term. Very sturdy machines, however. Hoping to add one to my collection someday.
On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Drew Notarnicola via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 12:26 PM, Earl Baugh via vcf-midatlantic < > vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote: > >> And in theme with Herb's kerosene powered fan, I actually own a >> gasoline >> powered clothes iron. >> Looks like a regular small iron but is gasoline powered. Seriously. >> >> >> Earl >> > I've got to see this. Do you have a photo you could upload somewhere? > I love really old, weird devices like that. I have a calculator that > had a > few metal sliders marked with numbers that you'd slide up and down > with a > stylus to do calculations with, and it was color coded to tell you > when to > do a carry. >
-- Matt Patoray Owner, MSP Productions KD8AMG
I have a 6300 right outside Philly which is free to a good home. It might need some PALs or the keyboard controller resoldered, but should be otherwise intact as a system. No mouse nor keyboard nor monitor, though. Pickup only, Contact me off-list. On 10/26/2017 9:53 AM, Matt Patoray via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
All this talk of the AT&T PC-6300, I will need to start working on mine, which is giving me random parity error messages and crashing. Also I think the factory Olivetti floppy drive is getting quite flaky.
On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 11:24 PM, Dean Notarnicola via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
Precious... my precious...
On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 10:18 PM, Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
I must've missed it. It seems Dean is drooling. :)
-Dave
-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
On October 25, 2017 9:53:45 PM Jason Howe via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
I sent a message to this very list on 08/15/2014 offering it up!
--Jason
On 10/25/2017 06:24 PM, Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
Well I'd certainly never heard of it.
-Dave
On 10/25/2017 04:22 PM, Jason Howe via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
And to think I have a 6300 sitting in it's original box in the garage that I can't generate any interest for locally.
--Jason
On 10/25/2017 10:24 AM, Dean Notarnicola via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > The AT&T 6300 was an example of a system that was 99.9% compatible > with the > IBM standard and actually made inroads to the market because of it. > Working > at Simon & Schuster in the 80's, we had many of these machines
because
> Microsoft Word for DOS had a driver for the 640 x 400 graphics mode that > allowed for WYSIWYG editing, and as well it cost a bit less. Faster than > the XT, the software and 8-bit ISA slot compatibility were very high, but > it had proprietary 16-bit slots which limited it's usefulness in the long > term. Very sturdy machines, however. Hoping to add one to my collection > someday. > > On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Drew Notarnicola via vcf-midatlantic < > vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote: > >> On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 12:26 PM, Earl Baugh via vcf-midatlantic < >> vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote: >> >>> And in theme with Herb's kerosene powered fan, I actually own a >>> gasoline >>> powered clothes iron. >>> Looks like a regular small iron but is gasoline powered. Seriously. >>> >>> Earl >>> >> I've got to see this. Do you have a photo you could upload somewhere? >> I love really old, weird devices like that. I have a calculator that >> had a >> few metal sliders marked with numbers that you'd slide up and down >> with a >> stylus to do calculations with, and it was color coded to tell you >> when to >> do a carry. >>
-- Jonathan Gevaryahu jgevaryahu@gmail.com jgevaryahu@hotmail.com
I want to see that calculator! On Oct 25, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Drew Notarnicola via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote: On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 12:26 PM, Earl Baugh via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
And in theme with Herb's kerosene powered fan, I actually own a gasoline powered clothes iron. Looks like a regular small iron but is gasoline powered. Seriously.
Earl
I've got to see this. Do you have a photo you could upload somewhere? I love really old, weird devices like that. I have a calculator that had a few metal sliders marked with numbers that you'd slide up and down with a stylus to do calculations with, and it was color coded to tell you when to do a carry.
On 10/25/2017 12:26 PM, Earl Baugh via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
Following up on two things. I have a NEC machine (nicknamed the "Herniator" because of it's weight) that came to me via Kyle that is a PC near compatible that has 8 inch drives. Runs MS-DOS. It at least, I'd say, is a little interesting. I don't know of many other MS-DOS compatible machines that ran off 8 inch floppy.
That would be a NEC APC, which is a fantastic machine. It was aimed squarely at the CAD market, and had very high-end graphics capabilities for the time, built around a NEC 7220 graphics controller. I have one of those machines, but it has an as-yet-undiagnosed hardware problem. I hope to get it running someday.
And in theme with Herb's kerosene powered fan, I actually own a gasoline powered clothes iron. Looks like a regular small iron but is gasoline powered. Seriously.
Neat! -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
I'm actually looking to borrow the UPD1771C-006 chip out of a NEC APC at some point; it is actually a weird, sound/speech provider microcontroller with mask rom, used for making the system beeps/melodies on the NEC APC, and is important to get dumped for emulation purposes. It can be dumped non-destructively (it has a test mode where it spits out its rom contents if you hold two pins in a particular configuration). On 10/25/2017 2:27 PM, Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
On 10/25/2017 12:26 PM, Earl Baugh via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
Following up on two things. I have a NEC machine (nicknamed the "Herniator" because of it's weight) that came to me via Kyle that is a PC near compatible that has 8 inch drives. Runs MS-DOS. It at least, I'd say, is a little interesting. I don't know of many other MS-DOS compatible machines that ran off 8 inch floppy. That would be a NEC APC, which is a fantastic machine. It was aimed squarely at the CAD market, and had very high-end graphics capabilities for the time, built around a NEC 7220 graphics controller.
I have one of those machines, but it has an as-yet-undiagnosed hardware problem. I hope to get it running someday.
And in theme with Herb's kerosene powered fan, I actually own a gasoline powered clothes iron. Looks like a regular small iron but is gasoline powered. Seriously. Neat!
-Dave
-- Jonathan Gevaryahu jgevaryahu@gmail.com jgevaryahu@hotmail.com
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