Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Amiga 2000 Getting files onto floppy disk
https://www.amigalove.com/viewtopic.php?t=15 Command line transdisk can copy over file On Fri, 1 Jan 2021, Sentrytv via vcf-midatlantic wrote: [NON-Text Body part not included]
You can also use a Gotek USB floppy emulator as an Amiga floppy drive: https://www.retro32.com/gaming/amiga/01042020508-amiga-gotek-getting-started... I have one of those in my A600. You can also install it in an external drive chassis, to share with multiple Amigas, if you want. - Alex On Fri, Jan 1, 2021 at 21:04 Ethan O'Toole via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
https://www.amigalove.com/viewtopic.php?t=15
Command line transdisk can copy over file
On Fri, 1 Jan 2021, Sentrytv via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
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Both Amiga Explorer and Gotek are really necessary. Gotek is amazing, and should be considered necessary for any modern Amiga use, but you’ll soon realize that not every bit of installable software for the Amiga is a disk image- many are just compressed lha files. You cannot use the Gotek to move a lha file you’ve downloaded from the internet using another system (linux/win/mac) to the Amiga- for that you need something like Amiga Explorer. It will move it reliably but slowly. Luckily most of these files are small by todays standards. Eventually you’ll want a ethernet board in your Amiga and your Amiga running a tcp/ip stack, then you can directly use HTTP or FTP to pull interesting Amiga files down into it and use them directly. Until then consider both a Gotek and Amiga Explorer (and a SCSI2SD drive). The A2000 can use a number of ethernet boards found on eBay. -andy From: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic-bounces@lists.vcfed.org> Date: Friday, January 1, 2021 at 10:37 PM To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> Cc: Alexander Jacocks <jjacocks@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Amiga 2000 Getting files onto floppy disk You can also use a Gotek USB floppy emulator as an Amiga floppy drive: https://www.retro32.com/gaming/amiga/01042020508-amiga-gotek-getting-started... I have one of those in my A600. You can also install it in an external drive chassis, to share with multiple Amigas, if you want. - Alex On Fri, Jan 1, 2021 at 21:04 Ethan O'Toole via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
https://www.amigalove.com/viewtopic.php?t=15
Command line transdisk can copy over file
On Fri, 1 Jan 2021, Sentrytv via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
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You cannot use the Gotek to move a lha file you’ve downloaded from the internet using another system (linux/win/mac) to the Amiga- for that you need something like Amiga Explorer. It will move it reliably but slowly. Luckily most of these files are small by todays standards.
Could you somehow move the disk image from the USB thumb drive used with the Gotek onto a host and transfer data into it with WinUAE? Mount the floppy image with WinUAE, format it, copy in the data. Then move the floppy image back to the USB drive used with gotek? On my A2500 I have a SCSI2SD, and I pull the SD card out from the Amiga and stuff it into a Windows 10 laptop. WinUAE is set to use the SD card partition as the hard drive, and it will boot the same system that runs on the physical hardware. I copied in all the WHDLoad demos and games from a directory via WinUAE into the Amiga SD card, then toss the card back in the Amiga. It's pretty flawless so far. The newer Amiga Explorer is limited in file size that can be dragged/dropped to like 10K. You have to use a CLI utility to move files over. The serial speed on the Amiga seems to max at 19200, makes the Apple II look good :-) - Ethan
Yep, you can of course do all that. It takes a little bit of work to setup however… I don’t believe he had a scsi2SD yet, so that won’t exactly help Mike. My main point is- you may naively thing Gotek = USB transfer of files, but it’s of course just a disk image mounter and won’t work with anything except a disk image. Even then, only with ADF. I had to convert DMS files to ADF at some point also with a program to use an older drive disk image. I do agree having a full blown UAE setup is also another helpful piece of kit, with UAE you can probably do most of what you need to do – in terms of creating custom disk images that have the libs you need to install on them. With UAE you can run: https://amitopia.com/read-make-amiga-disk-format-goadf/ and easily manipulate ADFs for the Gotek. I should probally set that up at some point and see how it make things easier. -andy From: Ethan O'Toole <telmnstr@757.org> Date: Saturday, January 2, 2021 at 9:43 AM To: Andrew Diller <dillera@gmail.com> Cc: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org>, Alexander Jacocks <jjacocks@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Amiga 2000 Getting files onto floppy disk
You cannot use the Gotek to move a lha file you’ve downloaded from the internet using another system (linux/win/mac) to the Amiga- for that you need something like Amiga Explorer. It will move it reliably but slowly. Luckily most of these files are small by todays standards.
Could you somehow move the disk image from the USB thumb drive used with the Gotek onto a host and transfer data into it with WinUAE? Mount the floppy image with WinUAE, format it, copy in the data. Then move the floppy image back to the USB drive used with gotek? On my A2500 I have a SCSI2SD, and I pull the SD card out from the Amiga and stuff it into a Windows 10 laptop. WinUAE is set to use the SD card partition as the hard drive, and it will boot the same system that runs on the physical hardware. I copied in all the WHDLoad demos and games from a directory via WinUAE into the Amiga SD card, then toss the card back in the Amiga. It's pretty flawless so far. The newer Amiga Explorer is limited in file size that can be dragged/dropped to like 10K. You have to use a CLI utility to move files over. The serial speed on the Amiga seems to max at 19200, makes the Apple II look good :-) - Ethan
And with this reminder, I just bought myself a GuruNet board for my Amiga. 🙂 The only problem I'll have is that I'll need to switch out my DCTV to free up the parallel port for the GuruNet. 😕 On Sat, Jan 2, 2021, 9:27 AM Andrew Diller via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
The A2000 can use a number of ethernet boards found on eBay.
-andy
And you reminded me to try one of these also. Even if you have the ethernet board (which I do) getting zorro slots to work nicely with multiple boards is not easy. This seems like a better solution in many cases for connectivity! -andy From: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic-bounces@lists.vcfed.org> Date: Saturday, January 2, 2021 at 9:49 AM To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> Cc: jsalzman@gmail.com <jsalzman@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Amiga 2000 Getting files onto floppy disk And with this reminder, I just bought myself a GuruNet board for my Amiga. 🙂 The only problem I'll have is that I'll need to switch out my DCTV to free up the parallel port for the GuruNet. 😕 On Sat, Jan 2, 2021, 9:27 AM Andrew Diller via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
The A2000 can use a number of ethernet boards found on eBay.
-andy
And with this reminder, I just bought myself a GuruNet board for my Amiga. ? The only problem I'll have is that I'll need to switch out my DCTV to free up the parallel port for the GuruNet. ?
Just looked up that board. I wish it had something like an ESP8266 and could do the TCP/IP offloaded versus requiring the Amiga TCP/IP stacks. Then you could have a program on the Amiga side that is much lighter in weight that could maybe mount a TNFS server or Windows CIFS server. Something like the FujiNet adapter that exists for the Atari 8bit computers. At least for me, just having remote filesystem over network would be a huge jump in capabilities. - Ethan
I read a little about the board and found this: We’ve tested the GuruNet on as many different Amiga hardware variants we can. Everything has worked well, except Amiga 2000 systems with Accelerator boards. We’re still trying to figure out why, it doesn’t matter if the board is a first party A2630 board or a third party GVP board. As long as the board is installed, the GuruNet is detected but won’t send or receive packets. If you have any ideas on why this may be, please reach out. From: https://gigofham.com/post/2018/12/12-gurunet-review-install/ As I have a GVP 030 in my A2000, it looks like I won’t be getting one of these. -andy From: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic-bounces@lists.vcfed.org> Date: Saturday, January 2, 2021 at 12:28 PM To: jsalzman@gmail.com <jsalzman@gmail.com>, vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> Cc: Ethan O'Toole <telmnstr@757.org> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Amiga 2000 Getting files onto floppy disk
And with this reminder, I just bought myself a GuruNet board for my Amiga. ? The only problem I'll have is that I'll need to switch out my DCTV to free up the parallel port for the GuruNet. ?
Just looked up that board. I wish it had something like an ESP8266 and could do the TCP/IP offloaded versus requiring the Amiga TCP/IP stacks. Then you could have a program on the Amiga side that is much lighter in weight that could maybe mount a TNFS server or Windows CIFS server. Something like the FujiNet adapter that exists for the Atari 8bit computers. At least for me, just having remote filesystem over network would be a huge jump in capabilities. - Ethan
Mike, Here’s the adapter that you need to make a Gotek external: https://github.com/RetroNynjah/Amiga-External-Floppy-Adapter As to moving single files, using a Gotek, it’s easy. You just make an Amiga disk image, on your PC, containing whatever files you want, and then put the image on the thumb drive. Put the thumb drive into the Amiga, and you can then mount that image as df1:, and copy files off of it. Hope that helps! - Alex On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 13:21 Andrew Diller via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
I read a little about the board and found this:
We’ve tested the GuruNet on as many different Amiga hardware variants we can. Everything has worked well, except Amiga 2000 systems with Accelerator boards. We’re still trying to figure out why, it doesn’t matter if the board is a first party A2630 board or a third party GVP board. As long as the board is installed, the GuruNet is detected but won’t send or receive packets. If you have any ideas on why this may be, please reach out.
From: https://gigofham.com/post/2018/12/12-gurunet-review-install/
As I have a GVP 030 in my A2000, it looks like I won’t be getting one of these.
-andy
From: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic-bounces@lists.vcfed.org> Date: Saturday, January 2, 2021 at 12:28 PM To: jsalzman@gmail.com <jsalzman@gmail.com>, vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> Cc: Ethan O'Toole <telmnstr@757.org> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Amiga 2000 Getting files onto floppy disk
And with this reminder, I just bought myself a GuruNet board for my Amiga. ? The only problem I'll have is that I'll need to switch out my DCTV to free up the parallel port for the GuruNet. ?
Just looked up that board.
I wish it had something like an ESP8266 and could do the TCP/IP offloaded versus requiring the Amiga TCP/IP stacks. Then you could have a program on the Amiga side that is much lighter in weight that could maybe mount a TNFS server or Windows CIFS server. Something like the FujiNet adapter that exists for the Atari 8bit computers. At least for me, just having remote filesystem over network would be a huge jump in capabilities.
- Ethan
As I have a GVP 030 in my A2000, it looks like I won’t be getting one of these. -andy
Mine is an Amiga 2500 and came with a 68020 or something I think. So it wouldn't work for me either. iComp.de has Zorro slot ethernet boards as do others. The software stack just seems so messy I haven't thought about going there yet. I'm not an OG Amiga user. I was an Atari 8bit/DOS dude and still don't understand some of the low level workings of the drivers and extensions and stuff on the Amigas. I have some laser show hardware and software and the software says the hardware isn't found, never been able to figure that one out either. - EThan
From: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic-bounces@lists.vcfed.org> Date: Saturday, January 2, 2021 at 12:28 PM To: jsalzman@gmail.com <jsalzman@gmail.com>, vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> Cc: Ethan O'Toole <telmnstr@757.org> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Amiga 2000 Getting files onto floppy disk
And with this reminder, I just bought myself a GuruNet board for my Amiga. ? The only problem I'll have is that I'll need to switch out my DCTV to free up the parallel port for the GuruNet. ?
Just looked up that board.
I wish it had something like an ESP8266 and could do the TCP/IP offloaded versus requiring the Amiga TCP/IP stacks. Then you could have a program on the Amiga side that is much lighter in weight that could maybe mount a TNFS server or Windows CIFS server. Something like the FujiNet adapter that exists for the Atari 8bit computers. At least for me, just having remote filesystem over network would be a huge jump in capabilities.
- Ethan
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