slightly OT: Collector vs. Hoarder
This part of the last post caught my eye: *>Clearly, this was a collector, not just a hoarder.* This is worrying! Is there some test that can be taken to determine ‘collectorness’ vs ‘hoarderness’?? p.s. for myself I may need professional help and/or medication to understand why I keep "collecting" floppy drives :( -- Bart Hirst "This signature will now be eaten up and spit out by Velociraptors."
On August 26, 2024 2:09:35 PM Bart Hirst via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
This part of the last post caught my eye:
*>Clearly, this was a collector, not just a hoarder.*
This is worrying! Is there some test that can be taken to determine ‘collectorness’ vs ‘hoarderness’??
p.s. for myself I may need professional help and/or medication to understand why I keep "collecting" floppy drives :(
If it makes you happy, does it matter? If anyone criticizes you for it, that's a great litmus test to write them out of your life. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
If it makes you happy, does it matter?
Words to live by for sure :) On Mon, Aug 26, 2024 at 2:15 PM Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
On August 26, 2024 2:09:35 PM Bart Hirst via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
This part of the last post caught my eye:
*>Clearly, this was a collector, not just a hoarder.*
This is worrying! Is there some test that can be taken to determine ‘collectorness’ vs ‘hoarderness’??
p.s. for myself I may need professional help and/or medication to understand why I keep "collecting" floppy drives :(
If it makes you happy, does it matter? If anyone criticizes you for it, that's a great litmus test to write them out of your life.
-Dave
-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
-- Bart Hirst "This signature will now be eaten up and spit out by Velociraptors."
Actually, it does matter. If you have a significant other, they will be responsible for the stuff once you die. (Storage, payments, rent, moving fees ….) Consider what it would be like for them! Even if it’s in your will. Sent from My extremely complicated, hand held electronic device.
On Aug 26, 2024, at 2:15 PM, Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
On August 26, 2024 2:09:35 PM Bart Hirst via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
This part of the last post caught my eye:
*>Clearly, this was a collector, not just a hoarder.*
This is worrying! Is there some test that can be taken to determine ‘collectorness’ vs ‘hoarderness’??
p.s. for myself I may need professional help and/or medication to understand why I keep "collecting" floppy drives :(
If it makes you happy, does it matter? If anyone criticizes you for it, that's a great litmus test to write them out of your life.
-Dave
-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
Having a compatible spouse is an important concept that all too many of us have forgotten. And if you rent storage space, well, you kinda have pain coming, no matter what happens. Live within your space. And if that isn't sufficient, get bigger space. I today's America, with the Rust Belt and all, it's really not that difficult. Either that, or take up stamp collecting! -Dave On August 26, 2024 2:50:16 PM Sentrytv <sentrytv@yahoo.com> wrote:
Actually, it does matter.
If you have a significant other, they will be responsible for the stuff once you die. (Storage, payments, rent, moving fees ….) Consider what it would be like for them!
Even if it’s in your will.
Sent from My extremely complicated, hand held electronic device.
On Aug 26, 2024, at 2:15 PM, Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
On August 26, 2024 2:09:35 PM Bart Hirst via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
This part of the last post caught my eye:
*>Clearly, this was a collector, not just a hoarder.*
This is worrying! Is there some test that can be taken to determine ‘collectorness’ vs ‘hoarderness’??
p.s. for myself I may need professional help and/or medication to understand why I keep "collecting" floppy drives :(
If it makes you happy, does it matter? If anyone criticizes you for it, that's a great litmus test to write them out of your life.
-Dave
-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
And if you rent storage space, well, you kinda have pain coming, no matter what happens. Live within your space. And if that isn't sufficient, get bigger space. I today's America, with the Rust Belt and all, it's really not that difficult.
Eh, housing is more expensive now than ever. Good chance it's one of the things preventing the next generation from taking on too much of the goods. Yes, housing is cheaper away from where the jobs are. Yes, in some cases people can find jobs that allow remote work and bring their city wages to fly-over. But it's still not very affordable for anyone looking to buy or rent these days and I feel it's a pretty big obstacle to vintage computers ending up in typing hands versus dumpsters. - Ethan
If you're keeping the stuff amongst other similar stuff, you're COLLECTING. If you're keeping the stuff amongst empty pizza boxes, beer bottles, and old store receipts from 10 years ago... you're HOARDING. On Mon, Aug 26, 2024, 4:31 PM Ethan O'Toole via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
And if you rent storage space, well, you kinda have pain coming, no matter what happens. Live within your space. And if that isn't sufficient, get bigger space. I today's America, with the Rust Belt and all, it's really not that difficult.
Eh, housing is more expensive now than ever. Good chance it's one of the things preventing the next generation from taking on too much of the goods.
Yes, housing is cheaper away from where the jobs are. Yes, in some cases people can find jobs that allow remote work and bring their city wages to fly-over. But it's still not very affordable for anyone looking to buy or rent these days and I feel it's a pretty big obstacle to vintage computers ending up in typing hands versus dumpsters.
- Ethan
Further, perhaps it could be summed up as: Don't stop living before you die. -Dave On 8/26/24 14:49, Sentrytv wrote:
Actually, it does matter.
If you have a significant other, they will be responsible for the stuff once you die. (Storage, payments, rent, moving fees ….) Consider what it would be like for them!
Even if it’s in your will.
Sent from My extremely complicated, hand held electronic device.
On Aug 26, 2024, at 2:15 PM, Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
On August 26, 2024 2:09:35 PM Bart Hirst via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
This part of the last post caught my eye:
*>Clearly, this was a collector, not just a hoarder.*
This is worrying! Is there some test that can be taken to determine ‘collectorness’ vs ‘hoarderness’??
p.s. for myself I may need professional help and/or medication to understand why I keep "collecting" floppy drives :(
If it makes you happy, does it matter? If anyone criticizes you for it, that's a great litmus test to write them out of your life.
-Dave
-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
George Carlin Sent from: My extremely complicated, hand held electronic device.
On Aug 26, 2024, at 4:13 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire@neurotica.com> wrote:
Further, perhaps it could be summed up as: Don't stop living before you die.
-Dave
On 8/26/24 14:49, Sentrytv wrote: Actually, it does matter. If you have a significant other, they will be responsible for the stuff once you die. (Storage, payments, rent, moving fees ….) Consider what it would be like for them! Even if it’s in your will. Sent from My extremely complicated, hand held electronic device.
On Aug 26, 2024, at 2:15 PM, Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
On August 26, 2024 2:09:35 PM Bart Hirst via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
This part of the last post caught my eye:
*>Clearly, this was a collector, not just a hoarder.*
This is worrying! Is there some test that can be taken to determine ‘collectorness’ vs ‘hoarderness’??
p.s. for myself I may need professional help and/or medication to understand why I keep "collecting" floppy drives :(
If it makes you happy, does it matter? If anyone criticizes you for it, that's a great litmus test to write them out of your life.
-Dave
-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
I wrote that, my apologies. It looked to me that, rather than being stacked in some barn, full of mouse nests (and worse), the equipment had been well organized and kept in a temperature and moisture controlled environment. And that, to some degree, it was cared for. Given that, I thought that it was possible that this person was someone that might be known in the collector community. As stated in other posts, and I agree, do what makes you happy. Bill S. On 8/26/2024 2:09 PM, Bart Hirst via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
This part of the last post caught my eye:
*>Clearly, this was a collector, not just a hoarder.*
This is worrying! Is there some test that can be taken to determine ‘collectorness’ vs ‘hoarderness’??
p.s. for myself I may need professional help and/or medication to understand why I keep "collecting" floppy drives :(
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Collector or Hoarder this person was one of us. I would probably have liked to meet them before they departed. I hope the computers go to a good home.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2024 at 2:10 PM Bart Hirst via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
This part of the last post caught my eye:
*>Clearly, this was a collector, not just a hoarder.*
This is worrying! Is there some test that can be taken to determine ‘collectorness’ vs ‘hoarderness’??
It is more of a subjective measure than a test. You know it when you see it. In my opinion: *Collecting*: has a goal and is organized and within your ability to store and care for the items in a clean and temperature controlled environment. You can happily stop at any time. Your collecting is under financial and space control. The items are well taken care of. *Hoarding*: has no end goal other than endless gathering. They are stored in: 1) all available habitable space, and/or 2) outside storage space that isn't climate controlled and/or doesn't control vermin, and/or 3) rental storage space that keeps being added and added. Often there are negative financial consequences. You are never happy no matter how much you gather. It impacts the environment, people and space that you live in. The items are not taken care of very well and are often deteriorating, dirty or broken.
p.s. for myself I may need professional help and/or medication to understand why I keep "collecting" floppy drives :(
-- Bart Hirst "This signature will now be eaten up and spit out by Velociraptors."
+1 for Jeff Braces description. I would also add hoarding is also when you have more of a specific item than you could ever possibly use in your lifetime. (My wife's mother who passed had over 35 sewing machines and 60 purses, all bought at flea markets. She used a wallet and hadn't sewn anything for her last 10 years). I don't think it's unusual to cross between hoarding and collecting (and back). It's OK to test the waters and sell or give away a few things.. and then wait 90 days and see if it bothers you. (But also agree with do what makes you happy - just be aware of your impact on others in your life). Take care. On Tue, Aug 27, 2024, 1:05 AM Jeffrey Brace via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
On Mon, Aug 26, 2024 at 2:10 PM Bart Hirst via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
This part of the last post caught my eye:
*>Clearly, this was a collector, not just a hoarder.*
This is worrying! Is there some test that can be taken to determine ‘collectorness’ vs ‘hoarderness’??
It is more of a subjective measure than a test. You know it when you see it.
In my opinion: *Collecting*: has a goal and is organized and within your ability to store and care for the items in a clean and temperature controlled environment. You can happily stop at any time. Your collecting is under financial and space control. The items are well taken care of.
*Hoarding*: has no end goal other than endless gathering. They are stored in: 1) all available habitable space, and/or 2) outside storage space that isn't climate controlled and/or doesn't control vermin, and/or 3) rental storage space that keeps being added and added. Often there are negative financial consequences. You are never happy no matter how much you gather. It impacts the environment, people and space that you live in. The items are not taken care of very well and are often deteriorating, dirty or broken.
p.s. for myself I may need professional help and/or medication to understand why I keep "collecting" floppy drives :(
-- Bart Hirst "This signature will now be eaten up and spit out by Velociraptors."
Hello! I agree with all of you. That's why I keep correcting the <DELETED!> boobs who keep saying the wrong thing about what I have. Please ask off list for Dino. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8@gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." On Tue, Aug 27, 2024 at 7:10 AM John Heritage via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
+1 for Jeff Braces description.
I would also add hoarding is also when you have more of a specific item than you could ever possibly use in your lifetime.
(My wife's mother who passed had over 35 sewing machines and 60 purses, all bought at flea markets. She used a wallet and hadn't sewn anything for her last 10 years).
I don't think it's unusual to cross between hoarding and collecting (and back). It's OK to test the waters and sell or give away a few things.. and then wait 90 days and see if it bothers you.
(But also agree with do what makes you happy - just be aware of your impact on others in your life).
Take care.
On Tue, Aug 27, 2024, 1:05 AM Jeffrey Brace via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
On Mon, Aug 26, 2024 at 2:10 PM Bart Hirst via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
This part of the last post caught my eye:
*>Clearly, this was a collector, not just a hoarder.*
This is worrying! Is there some test that can be taken to determine ‘collectorness’ vs ‘hoarderness’??
It is more of a subjective measure than a test. You know it when you see it.
In my opinion: *Collecting*: has a goal and is organized and within your ability to store and care for the items in a clean and temperature controlled environment. You can happily stop at any time. Your collecting is under financial and space control. The items are well taken care of.
*Hoarding*: has no end goal other than endless gathering. They are stored in: 1) all available habitable space, and/or 2) outside storage space that isn't climate controlled and/or doesn't control vermin, and/or 3) rental storage space that keeps being added and added. Often there are negative financial consequences. You are never happy no matter how much you gather. It impacts the environment, people and space that you live in. The items are not taken care of very well and are often deteriorating, dirty or broken.
p.s. for myself I may need professional help and/or medication to understand why I keep "collecting" floppy drives :(
-- Bart Hirst "This signature will now be eaten up and spit out by Velociraptors."
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