Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Supercomputer is all set!
On 11/08/2018 09:33 AM, Tony Bogan via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
When is it getting hooked up and running? Not anytime soon. The best we can do short-term is display a portion of it in the museum. We swalled a large meal; now we must digest it.:) What’s the big deal Evan??
We just need to remove the UNIVAC, a couple of minis, and the micro row from the Altair through the Amiga and we can set half the new machine up!! :p
Tony
I've got a nice TV set you can use as a monitor ... wait it doesn't hook up like a commodore 64? ;-) All joking aside, I'd expect that this would be a project to get started. A lot of planning would be need but it would be cool to see it start up and play wumpus (duck as large metal objects go flying by). -- Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry ncherry@linuxha.com http://www.linuxha.com/ Main site http://linuxha.blogspot.com/ My HA Blog Author of: Linux Smart Homes For Dummies
What’s the big deal Evan?? We just need to remove the UNIVAC, a couple of minis, and the micro row from the Altair through the Amiga and we can set half the new machine up!! :p
Is it possible to end up with a whole building like that one full of military vehicles? The one that has the lighting overhead? It looks cool, it would be wild to have computer museum like that. Plus hands on. Does the camp give those to the worthy, or does each group have to fund the space? - Ethan
On Nov 8, 2018, at 9:58 AM, Ethan O'Toole via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
What’s the big deal Evan?? We just need to remove the UNIVAC, a couple of minis, and the micro row from the Altair through the Amiga and we can set half the new machine up!! :p
Is it possible to end up with a whole building like that one full of military vehicles? The one that has the lighting overhead? It looks cool, it would be wild to have computer museum like that. Plus hands on.
Does the camp give those to the worthy, or does each group have to fund the space?
- Ethan
I would love for us to have a space even half the size of the military vehicle museum! Not only do I love the layout that they did, but the space would be awesome. Hell, I’d love to have the space that Dave McGuire has! Perhaps one day. Tony
Is it possible to end up with a whole building like that one full of military vehicles?
Yes! That is the long-range museum plan.
Does the camp give those to the worthy, or does each group have to fund the space?
It's complicated. The former MARCH group spawned into creation around the second half of 2004 and joined InfoAge in 2005. IA gave us a single 12x10 room because that's all it had available. Then in 200(6?) we moved into the next building where we had two rooms. In 2008 we got the next two rooms in that hallway, making four total. It wasn't until 2015 that we moved buildings again to where we are now, which is more than 2-3x as big as the old four rooms. The bigger the space, the more time/money it takes to make it legal and habitable. What may happen is our current warehouse will become half storage, half display. We wouldn't need as much storage because more things would be on display. Estimates are about $200K to make the warehouse space into a legal habitable building. My personal opinion is that VCF will probably have to raise the funds itself, because IA isn't good at it. The military vehicles group also raised their own funds to get a certificate of occupancy on their building, but they needed much less (about $40K) because they skipped HVAC, insulation, interior walls, and a floor! They also have bare-bones electrical infrastructure. That's all fine for Jeeps and tanks. Not so fine for computers. :) VCF is in the extremely early stages of making a development plan for such things, which would also involve renegotiating our lease to be much more VCF-friendly. It would be dumb of us to put $$ into a building if we didn't get much greater guarantees about the space. So: is it our goal? Yes. It is possible? Probably. Is it easy? No. But consider how we started and where we are now. We've been succeeding at hard things for a long time. On Thu, Nov 8, 2018, 9:58 AM Ethan O'Toole via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org wrote:
What’s the big deal Evan?? We just need to remove the UNIVAC, a couple of minis, and the micro row from the Altair through the Amiga and we can set half the new machine up!! :p
Is it possible to end up with a whole building like that one full of military vehicles? The one that has the lighting overhead? It looks cool, it would be wild to have computer museum like that. Plus hands on.
Does the camp give those to the worthy, or does each group have to fund the space?
- Ethan
The former MARCH group spawned into creation around the second half of 2004 and joined InfoAge in 2005. IA gave us a single 12x10 room because that's all it had available. Then in 200(6?) we moved into the next building where we had two rooms. In 2008 we got the next two rooms in that hallway, making four total. It wasn't until 2015 that we moved buildings again to where we are now, which is more than 2-3x as big as the old four rooms.
Very cool.
The bigger the space, the more time/money it takes to make it legal and habitable.
Ah so the spaces needed a bunch of prep work and investment.
What may happen is our current warehouse will become half storage, half display. We wouldn't need as much storage because more things would be on display. Estimates are about $200K to make the warehouse space into a legal habitable building.
Whew! Does VCF go for grants?
My personal opinion is that VCF will probably have to raise the funds itself, because IA isn't good at it.
Makes senss. The passion for the subject is from those that participate in the subject.
The military vehicles group also raised their own funds to get a certificate of occupancy on their building, but they needed much less (about $40K) because they skipped HVAC, insulation, interior walls, and a floor! They also have bare-bones electrical infrastructure. That's all fine for Jeeps and tanks. Not so fine for computers. :)
Concrete floor wouldn't be that bad I don't think, insulation and hvac would be a must though. Electrical -- maybe you all could do it then have electrician check off before inspection? Also running large circuits then using surplus data center PDUs might keep it cheaper. Surplus parts can save a ton.
VCF is in the extremely early stages of making a development plan for such things, which would also involve renegotiating our lease to be much more VCF-friendly. It would be dumb of us to put $$ into a building if we didn't get much greater guarantees about the space.
Definitely. Don't want to get screwed on that. That happened to the DC pinball museum guy. Invested a ton of money on a space and the landlord bumped him out.
So: is it our goal? Yes. It is possible? Probably. Is it easy? No. But consider how we started and where we are now. We've been succeeding at hard things for a long time.
Makes sense! Thanks for sharing.
All very exciting. I’m game to help in any way I can. May be able to tap into resources and help find funding opportunities/strategies. On Nov 8, 2018, 10:40 AM -0500, Ethan O'Toole via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org>, wrote:
The former MARCH group spawned into creation around the second half of 2004 and joined InfoAge in 2005. IA gave us a single 12x10 room because that's all it had available. Then in 200(6?) we moved into the next building where we had two rooms. In 2008 we got the next two rooms in that hallway, making four total. It wasn't until 2015 that we moved buildings again to where we are now, which is more than 2-3x as big as the old four rooms.
Very cool.
The bigger the space, the more time/money it takes to make it legal and habitable.
Ah so the spaces needed a bunch of prep work and investment.
What may happen is our current warehouse will become half storage, half display. We wouldn't need as much storage because more things would be on display. Estimates are about $200K to make the warehouse space into a legal habitable building.
Whew! Does VCF go for grants?
My personal opinion is that VCF will probably have to raise the funds itself, because IA isn't good at it.
Makes senss. The passion for the subject is from those that participate in the subject.
The military vehicles group also raised their own funds to get a certificate of occupancy on their building, but they needed much less (about $40K) because they skipped HVAC, insulation, interior walls, and a floor! They also have bare-bones electrical infrastructure. That's all fine for Jeeps and tanks. Not so fine for computers. :)
Concrete floor wouldn't be that bad I don't think, insulation and hvac would be a must though. Electrical -- maybe you all could do it then have electrician check off before inspection? Also running large circuits then using surplus data center PDUs might keep it cheaper. Surplus parts can save a ton.
VCF is in the extremely early stages of making a development plan for such things, which would also involve renegotiating our lease to be much more VCF-friendly. It would be dumb of us to put $$ into a building if we didn't get much greater guarantees about the space.
Definitely. Don't want to get screwed on that. That happened to the DC pinball museum guy. Invested a ton of money on a space and the landlord bumped him out.
So: is it our goal? Yes. It is possible? Probably. Is it easy? No. But consider how we started and where we are now. We've been succeeding at hard things for a long time.
Makes sense! Thanks for sharing.
Wow -- It says at https://trove.nla.gov.au/work/95748204?q&versionId=109100069 that the VAX 9000-440 cost almost $4 million when it was new. Here's a sales video: https://archive.org/details/Vax9000SalesVideo although the company that ours came from isn't listed.
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Ethan O'Toole -
Evan Koblentz -
Laura S. Reinhard -
Neil Cherry -
Tony Bogan