Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Semi-OT: many oscilloscopes for sale in NJ
Instead of assuming these are all broken, it might be better to contact the seller? I don't think you can get a scope like the 2465 for a couple of hundred dollars. That's a FOUR channel 300MHz scope. It looks like the seller has more than one. Bill Dudley This email is free of malware because I run Linux. On Wed, Sep 20, 2023 at 12:35 PM Sentrytv via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Bill has a good point.
I’ve been working on equipment for many years and often, the time spent is just not worth it. But if you really have your heart set on an old Tek scope, then it is worth it in the long run.
Otherwise, for those who don’t want to spend the time, a digital scope for a few hundred dollars or less is probably better.
Mike R.
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On Sep 20, 2023, at 10:40 AM, Bill Degnan via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
If you ask me (and no one did, but...) I don't mess with vintage repair equipment unless there is no substitute (like a tube tester). For *me* given I am of limited skill to begin with, a scope should be fairly new, clean and calibrated. Unless you're into restoring voltmeters and scopes and such I would spend only $900 for a modern scope. Essentially I need working low-milage test equipment for my vintage repairs, if only so to control fault variables.
Bill
On Wed, Sep 20, 2023 at 10:20 AM Devin Heitmueller via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
On Tue, Sep 19, 2023 at 7:38 PM William Dudley via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
On facebook marketplace:
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/3526479520940602/
Now, I already have all the scopes I can use, but some of you may need one (or an upgrade to what you already have). There are some good scopes in here, as well as other things like signal generators.
The seller shows no interest in selling the pieces one at a time. He wants to unload the lot. His price has been all over the place. It started at $500, then 400, then 300, then $1700 (!), and now it's down to $900.
If several of y'all wanted to go in together on this lot it'd probably be worth your while, if this stuff works.
I have no connection to the seller. I just don't want the scopes to end up in the dumpster.
Wow, my first real scope was a Tek 465 just like the one pictured.
The price being all over the place makes combined with no idea whether any of them work makes this feel like a gamble. Given the fact that you can buy scopes new for so cheap I'm not sure it's worth it (I bought a Tektronix dual channel 50Mhz scope for less than $500 a few years back, and scopes by companies like Rigol are much cheaper than that).
I'm all for not seeing good test gear end up in a landfill, but oscilloscopes are essentially a commodity at this point and there isn't a significant cost advantage in not buying new (unless you can get one for free).
Devin
I don't think you can get a scope like the 2465 for a couple of hundred dollars. That's a FOUR channel 300MHz scope. It looks like the seller has more than one.
Yeah, there's a reason the Tek 2465 is still expensive. They go for $150+ *nonworking*. Bill's right about just buying something guaranteed to work if you're not specifically wanting to deal with old test equipment; however, with old stuff it at least *can* be fixed. Thanks, Jonathan
On 9/20/2023 2:08 PM, Jonathan Chapman via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
I don't think you can get a scope like the 2465 for a couple of hundred dollars. That's a FOUR channel 300MHz scope. It looks like the seller has more than one. Yeah, there's a reason the Tek 2465 is still expensive. They go for $150+ *nonworking*.
Wow! when I was looking for a nice scope in the early 2000s, I knew I wanted a Tek, and I wanted a 4 channel scope. I think the 2465 happened to be the most economical option on eBay at the time, so I picked it up. I have been more than pleased with it through the years, favoring it for work even after buying a DSO with more features, lighter weight, and less bulk. But, I had no idea the unit was so well received. I admit, I looked at the lot and noticed the 2465 immediately. I considered a purchase, but the lot size, location, and lack of need for another 2465 made me hesitate. But, FWIW, I love my 2465. I am sure others may disagree, but I always felt Tek made the best analog scopes, and HP made the best LAs. So, that's what I own. Jim -- RETRO Innovations, Contemporary Gear for Classic Systems www.go4retro.com store.go4retro.com
On 9/20/23 15:23, RETRO Innovations via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
I don't think you can get a scope like the 2465 for a couple of hundred dollars. That's a FOUR channel 300MHz scope. It looks like the seller has more than one. Yeah, there's a reason the Tek 2465 is still expensive. They go for $150+ *nonworking*.
Wow! when I was looking for a nice scope in the early 2000s, I knew I wanted a Tek, and I wanted a 4 channel scope. I think the 2465 happened to be the most economical option on eBay at the time, so I picked it up. I have been more than pleased with it through the years, favoring it for work even after buying a DSO with more features, lighter weight, and less bulk. But, I had no idea the unit was so well received.
The 2465 is the finest oscilloscope Tektronix ever sold, and perhaps the finest oscilloscope ever made by any manufacturer, for the general use case. Don't forget that a DSO is a fundamentally different instrument, not just a "new better digital version" of something old. The whole world has been effectively sold on this idea, and test equipment vendors that would prefer to pay for cheap digital design rather than expensive analog design are smiling all the way to the bank. A well-equipped lab or repair bench has *both*.
I admit, I looked at the lot and noticed the 2465 immediately. I considered a purchase, but the lot size, location, and lack of need for another 2465 made me hesitate.
More 2465s makes life better. =)
But, FWIW, I love my 2465. I am sure others may disagree, but I always felt Tek made the best analog scopes, and HP made the best LAs. So, that's what I own.
That's a commonly-held opinion. More generally, "Tektronix for time domain, HP for frequency domain". :-) -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
Don't forget that a DSO is a fundamentally different instrument, not just a "new better digital version" of something old.
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A well-equipped lab or repair bench has both.
We certainly do. Many times DSO is fine, but my personal observation has been, if you don't have 10x the stated bandwidth of the thing you want to look at, the DSO won't cut it.
But, FWIW, I love my 2465. I am sure others may disagree, but I always felt Tek made the best analog scopes, and HP made the best LAs. So, that's what I own.
That's a commonly-held opinion. More generally, "Tektronix for time domain, HP for frequency domain". :-)
Agreed. Even if you like the HP oscilloscopes' interface, it still won't trigger on anything but a square wave :P HP also made some seriously top-notch VTVMs and transistorized voltmeters. Thanks, Jonathan
On 9/20/23 16:40, Jonathan Chapman via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
That's a commonly-held opinion. More generally, "Tektronix for time domain, HP for frequency domain". :-)
Agreed. Even if you like the HP oscilloscopes' interface, it still won't trigger on anything but a square wave :P HP also made some seriously top-notch VTVMs and transistorized voltmeters.
Still do! After thirty years, they still make the 3458A, which no one has managed to top. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
Hello! I agree! Now Dave don't turn around fast, there's still a smilodon in the room with you. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8@gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." On Wed, Sep 20, 2023 at 8:52 PM Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
On 9/20/23 16:40, Jonathan Chapman via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
That's a commonly-held opinion. More generally, "Tektronix for time domain, HP for frequency domain". :-)
Agreed. Even if you like the HP oscilloscopes' interface, it still won't trigger on anything but a square wave :P HP also made some seriously top-notch VTVMs and transistorized voltmeters.
Still do! After thirty years, they still make the 3458A, which no one has managed to top.
-Dave
-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
You'll have to pry my 2465 out of my cold dead hands. On 9/20/2023 3:23 PM, RETRO Innovations via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
On 9/20/2023 2:08 PM, Jonathan Chapman via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
I don't think you can get a scope like the 2465 for a couple of hundred dollars. That's a FOUR channel 300MHz scope. It looks like the seller has more than one. Yeah, there's a reason the Tek 2465 is still expensive. They go for $150+ *nonworking*.
Wow! when I was looking for a nice scope in the early 2000s, I knew I wanted a Tek, and I wanted a 4 channel scope. I think the 2465 happened to be the most economical option on eBay at the time, so I picked it up. I have been more than pleased with it through the years, favoring it for work even after buying a DSO with more features, lighter weight, and less bulk. But, I had no idea the unit was so well received.
I admit, I looked at the lot and noticed the 2465 immediately. I considered a purchase, but the lot size, location, and lack of need for another 2465 made me hesitate.
But, FWIW, I love my 2465. I am sure others may disagree, but I always felt Tek made the best analog scopes, and HP made the best LAs. So, that's what I own.
Jim
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