Re: [vcf-midatlantic] museum report
Jeff Galinat via vcf-midatlantic writes:
On 4/8/2016 6:24 AM, Brian Schenkenberger via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > What did you notch that with? A tree saw? A holesaw would have made a > nice rounded corner cut. ;) Brian, We worked with the tools I had. I had a circular saw & sawsall. Sorry if our work has not met your high standards. Mock our efforts if you must, but you have not been in attendance for these work sessions. In my book, that means you don't get to criticize. There is still a lot of cleaning & setting up to do, including sweeping & mopping the floors. We will be working Sunday, I trust you you be stopping by to assist us? Regards, Jeff Galinat
Where were you for the huge Jamesburg rescue? The Toms River rescue? And myriad others? Don't sling the shit when you're not there to wade through it (Jamesburg) with the others. Evan's called on me many times to employ my SUV and my trailer as the transport for much of what sits in the storage area. I've gone above and beyond the call of duty several times, despite requests NOT TO MOVE OR LIFT objects when I had my torn elbow ligamants; yet, there I was stuck moving and lifting. I spent 2 years of my life in plaster with 34 broken bones on the mend and another year learning to walk again. I live in constant pain from that -- exaccerbated now by my age -- and I have been there to move and lift a lot of crap about at the museum. So, please don't shower me with your self-indignation because you were there with your sawsall. It's stuff like this that keeps me from participating in the requested efforts.
On 4/8/2016 7:32 AM, Brian Schenkenberger via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
Jeff Galinat via vcf-midatlantic writes:
On 4/8/2016 6:24 AM, Brian Schenkenberger via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > What did you notch that with? A tree saw? A holesaw would have made a > nice rounded corner cut. ;) Brian, We worked with the tools I had. I had a circular saw & sawsall. Sorry if our work has not met your high standards. Mock our efforts if you must, but you have not been in attendance for these work sessions. In my book, that means you don't get to criticize. There is still a lot of cleaning & setting up to do, including sweeping & mopping the floors. We will be working Sunday, I trust you you be stopping by to assist us? Regards, Jeff Galinat Where were you for the huge Jamesburg rescue? The Toms River rescue? And myriad others? Don't sling the shit when you're not there to wade through it (Jamesburg) with the others. Evan's called on me many times to employ my SUV and my trailer as the transport for much of what sits in the storage area.
I've gone above and beyond the call of duty several times, despite requests NOT TO MOVE OR LIFT objects when I had my torn elbow ligamants; yet, there I was stuck moving and lifting. I spent 2 years of my life in plaster with 34 broken bones on the mend and another year learning to walk again. I live in constant pain from that -- exaccerbated now by my age -- and I have been there to move and lift a lot of crap about at the museum.
So, please don't shower me with your self-indignation because you were there with your sawsall. It's stuff like this that keeps me from participating in the requested efforts.
Guys, Let's please not have a list war. I cannot say this enough: in the past six months, I have been blown away by how much everyone has contributed to the new museum effort and beyond. Everyone contributes in their own way, many of which are behind the scenes. Jeff G., you've been extremely active these past several weeks which is awesome! You've done a lot of jobs for us that other people (including me) weren't thrilled about having to do, you've traveled far to do them, and you've been oddly happy about it. :) Brian (Vaxman) has also helped. For example, he came through with his trailer and SUV to help us get warehouse shelving, and just the other day he offered to give us a DECwriter if ours weren't good. Brian: I know you're teasing about the way we trimmed the plywood. Martin: Nice of you to offer but our need was immediate. However, I agree with Jeff G. -- please do not mock our work in the new museum. We're all working extremely hard to get very important stuff done very soon, and we really don't appreciate backseat drivers for something as minor as whether a corner is square or round. Nor did we do anything unsafe. If you must know, we used a fairly small tool and did the trimming outside with the wood clamped to a table, while the shelving and computer remained in the museum. Give us some credit, we're not idiots. The comments about this did nothing to help. We're already planning to put up a sign saying "this is a work in progress". After the show settles down, then this summer we can do things like put in a finely trimmed piece of wood. On Apr 8, 2016, Jeff Galinat via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
On 4/8/2016 7:32 AM, Brian Schenkenberger via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
Jeff Galinat via vcf-midatlantic writes:
On 4/8/2016 6:24 AM, Brian Schenkenberger via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
What did you notch that with? A tree saw? A holesaw would have made a > nice rounded corner cut. ;) Brian, We worked with the tools I had. I had a circular saw & sawsall. Sorry if our work has not met your high standards. Mock our efforts if you must, but you have not been in attendance for these work sessions. In my book, that means you don't get to criticize. There is still a lot of cleaning & setting up to do, including sweeping & mopping the floors. We will be working Sunday, I trust you you be stopping by to assist us? Regards, Jeff Galinat Where were you for the huge Jamesburg rescue? The Toms River rescue? And myriad others? Don't sling the shit when you're not there to wade through it (Jamesburg) with the others. Evan's called on me many times to employ my SUV and my trailer as the transport for much of what sits in the storage area.
I've gone above and beyond the call of duty several times, despite requests NOT TO MOVE OR LIFT objects when I had my torn elbow ligamants; yet, there I was stuck moving and lifting. I spent 2 years of my life in plaster with 34 broken bones on the mend and another year learning to walk again. I live in constant pain from that -- exaccerbated now by my age -- and I have been there to move and lift a lot of crap about at the museum.
So, please don't shower me with your self-indignation because you were there with your sawsall. It's stuff like this that keeps me from participating in the requested efforts.
On 4/8/2016 8:29 AM, Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
Guys,
Let's please not have a list war.
I cannot say this enough: in the past six months, I have been blown away by how much everyone has contributed to the new museum effort and beyond. Everyone contributes in their own way, many of which are behind the scenes.
Evan, You are right, of course. I am a little stressed out as I realize the time frame we are dealing with & probably over-reacted. I apologize for losing my temper. I should not reacted & just let it go. I will exercise more discretion in the future. Regards, Jeff
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On Apr 8, 2016, at 7:32 AM, Brian Schenkenberger via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
Jeff Galinat via vcf-midatlantic writes:
On 4/8/2016 6:24 AM, Brian Schenkenberger via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > What did you notch that with? A tree saw? A holesaw would have made a > nice rounded corner cut. ;) Brian, We worked with the tools I had. I had a circular saw & sawsall. Sorry if our work has not met your high standards. Mock our efforts if you must, but you have not been in attendance for these work sessions. In my book, that means you don't get to criticize. There is still a lot of cleaning & setting up to do, including sweeping & mopping the floors. We will be working Sunday, I trust you you be stopping by to assist us? Regards, Jeff Galinat
Where were you for the huge Jamesburg rescue? The Toms River rescue? And myriad others? Don't sling the shit when you're not there to wade through it (Jamesburg) with the others. Evan's called on me many times to employ my SUV and my trailer as the transport for much of what sits in the storage area.
I've gone above and beyond the call of duty several times, despite requests NOT TO MOVE OR LIFT objects when I had my torn elbow ligamants; yet, there I was stuck moving and lifting. I spent 2 years of my life in plaster with 34 broken bones on the mend and another year learning to walk again. I live in constant pain from that -- exaccerbated now by my age -- and I have been there to move and lift a lot of crap about at the museum.
So, please don't shower me with your self-indignation because you were there with your sawsall. It's stuff like this that keeps me from participating in the requested efforts.
I don't recall Jeff questioning the quality of your volunteer efforts, but I get your point. Jeff has been there more than anyone for the past couple months of this effort besides Evan himself (I can never thank him enough) I know because I was there with them as much as possible (but nowhere near as much as them) You're right, it's stuff like this (those not there criticizing those that are) that keeps me from participating in the requested efforts. And then I remember if I don't sling the shit first I don't have to worry about people flinging it back. I know, I haven't been here for all the stuff that came before. I wish I had been, but what good is all that effort if it's simply used to hang over other people's heads? I can never thank those (including you) that have put so much effort out to date enough to cover the gratitude I feel. I get to enjoy the fruits of their/your labors. However, I don't remember sending an email questioning why you didn't get more stuff when you were there or why you didn't put the machines where they went instead of dumping them in the warehouse (these are made up examples, I don't feel that way!!) Please, let's all be happy for those who help out and have helped out and will help out and make friendly suggestions and not criticisms. Brian, perhaps after VCF we can get some wood and tools and really go to town on some of the custom displays/setups that need to be done. I'm ok but not super working with wood, so any guidance would be appreciated!! Tony
On 4/8/2016 7:32 AM, Brian Schenkenberger via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
Where were you for the huge Jamesburg rescue? The Toms River rescue? And myriad others? Don't sling the shit when you're not there to wade through it (Jamesburg) with the others. Evan's called on me many times to employ my SUV and my trailer as the transport for much of what sits in the storage area. I've gone above and beyond the call of duty several times, despite requests NOT TO MOVE OR LIFT objects when I had my torn elbow ligamants; yet, there I was stuck moving and lifting. I spent 2 years of my life in plaster with 34 broken bones on the mend and another year learning to walk again. I live in constant pain from that -- exaccerbated now by my age -- and I have been there to move and lift a lot of crap about at the museum. So, please don't shower me with your self-indignation because you were there with your sawsall. It's stuff like this that keeps me from participating in the requested efforts. Hi Brian, I am sorry I lost my cool. You are right that I wasn't there. I don't even know when those rescues took place as I don't know if I was even a member of MARCH at that time. That is exactly my point. I know you have done a lot for this club & I never questioned your contributions. That which is why I would never criticize you for the way you handled a situation if I wasn't there. I guess I am thin-skinned because I have tried to help a good deal with the museum move and I don't care to have my efforts mocked on a public forum. Admittedly I am not the best with tools, I will tell that to anybody. The bottom line is, I didn't have a hole haw or sabre saw with me. The museum is opening in 1 week with a handful of people doing the work. Evan is working 16 hour days at the museum and a small group of us are helping whenever we can. We are doing the best we can in the time we have left to prepare the museum for VCFe. Will things have to be tweaked/corrected? Yes, but the short answer is that the museum will be ready for VCFe and any help is appreciated. Regards, Jeff
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