OT: help the makerspace @ InfoAge
From the "Many of you may already know this, but some may not" department: For the past few years there's been a makerspace located at InfoAge. It was called the Institute for Exploratory Research, or "IXR". Adjacent to the IXR's space on the InfoAge campus was the Computer Deconstruction Lab, where people can learn about modern computers. It also has a podcast studio. Neither group was an independent entity, unlike VCF, NJARC, NJHDA, etc. -- IXR and CDL were simply part of InfoAge. Now, with InfoAge's blessing, the two groups are both closing and reforming as an independent entity (just like VCF, etc.) under the CDL name. That is already underway. The new group will be branded as "Computer Deconstruction Lab -- the Jersey Shore Makerspace". CDL needs to raise $1,084 for all the business/non-profit filing fees. So far they raised $710. IXR/CDL separately have been helpful resources to VCF and to InfoAge, so let's return the favor! Perhaps VCF/Mid-Atlantic members can help CDL raise the remaining funds. (Any funds beyond that amount will be used as seed money.) The new group doesn't yet have its own bank account. As I understand it, their treasurer will be Martin Flynn, who of course is a trusted VCF member too. Their other officers will be secretary Neil Cherry (also one of us!); president Dan Jacobs (a good friend to us); and VP Joe Wilkes. I will be one of the board members, but I won't be involved in day-to-day management. VCF keeps me plenty busy. :) Until they get a bank account (and thus a PayPal account), Martin is handling the funds directly. Please contact him at maflynn@theflynn.org to inquire about helping them get started. (FYI: they said these donations are NOT tax-deductible, because they're ahead of the status being obtained.) The group's website is www.compdecon.org.
Hello - I'm wondering if there are any other like-minded people on the list who are interested in late 1980, early 1990 UNIX workstations. I've been getting rid of all my other vintage gear and focusing on this space, mostly with SGI (IRIX) and some DEC (Tru64). Sun is another obvious one but AIX and HPUX are there also. It's pretty much any non-linux UNIX system that is fair game. See my diagram at the end of the email. So- if others have a similar interest I'm proposing a few things: - we get to know who is interested and who has what, needs what - common installation tips, media, etc - meet up if possible at the monthly repair workshops - can demo a network-based install of IRIX for example using an advanced system myself and some ppl designed Longer term goal would be to work w/ the museum and see if we can't have a little space for 1990 UNIX workstations, which are not represented in the Museum very well right now. Having them up and networked with the ability to let visitors login and use them for simple demos- as these would not be one-of-kind systems so they could be setup as a more interpretive type space rather than a don't touch type exhibit. That is certainly down the line. For now I'd like to know who's out there and what we have in common. Diagram that I go by to wade thru the many systems, CPU arch and UNIX variants: -andy
On Fri, 4 Jan 2019, andy diller via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
Hello - I'm wondering if there are any other like-minded people on the list who are interested in late 1980, early 1990 UNIX workstations.
Workstation-wise, I'm primarily interested in Sun, pre-x86 versions. Besides my 3/60, I have SPARCstations 1, 1+, 2, 5, IPC, IPX, Classic, LX, 10, 20, Ultra 2 and Ultra 10. Dave McGuire is the Sungod in this area. :-) Mike Loewen mloewen@cpumagic.scol.pa.us Old Technology http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/
Interested in all but just gave away a great many systems trying to trim my collection down to a manageable size. Still own Sun:[IPX, SS20, E3500], DG:[Aviion 310], DEC:[AlphaServer 1000A], AT&T:[3B2 310/400/600/1000, PC7300], IBM:[a few RS/6000s]. Shopping for an IRIX box, a PA-RISC HP, and a few others. Wish list includes a Sun E5000 through 6500 or SPARCcenter 2000. Probably going to team up with some folks to do a big UNIX mini display at VCF-SE this year; if we can get a power drop that will handle it. -Alan On 2019-01-04 09:32, Mike Loewen via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
On Fri, 4 Jan 2019, andy diller via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
Hello - I'm wondering if there are any other like-minded people on the list who are interested in late 1980, early 1990 UNIX workstations.
Workstation-wise, I'm primarily interested in Sun, pre-x86 versions. Besides my 3/60, I have SPARCstations 1, 1+, 2, 5, IPC, IPX, Classic, LX, 10, 20, Ultra 2 and Ultra 10.
Dave McGuire is the Sungod in this area. :-)
Mike Loewen mloewen@cpumagic.scol.pa.us Old Technology http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/
For VCF Mid-Lantic there are a number of SGI ppl coming and will get two tables. You are going to do yours at SE- do you plan to attend mid-lantic this year? -andy
On Jan 4, 2019, at 9:42 AM, alan--- via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Interested in all but just gave away a great many systems trying to trim my collection down to a manageable size.
Still own Sun:[IPX, SS20, E3500], DG:[Aviion 310], DEC:[AlphaServer 1000A], AT&T:[3B2 310/400/600/1000, PC7300], IBM:[a few RS/6000s].
Shopping for an IRIX box, a PA-RISC HP, and a few others. Wish list includes a Sun E5000 through 6500 or SPARCcenter 2000.
Probably going to team up with some folks to do a big UNIX mini display at VCF-SE this year; if we can get a power drop that will handle it.
-Alan
On 2019-01-04 09:32, Mike Loewen via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
On Fri, 4 Jan 2019, andy diller via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
Hello - I'm wondering if there are any other like-minded people on the list who are interested in late 1980, early 1990 UNIX workstations. Workstation-wise, I'm primarily interested in Sun, pre-x86 versions. Besides my 3/60, I have SPARCstations 1, 1+, 2, 5, IPC, IPX, Classic, LX, 10, 20, Ultra 2 and Ultra 10. Dave McGuire is the Sungod in this area. :-) Mike Loewen mloewen@cpumagic.scol.pa.us Old Technology http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/
Not going to make East this year. And will likely have to cancel my PNW plans due to other commitments. Going to shoot for West and Berlin later in the year. But you shouldn't have any trouble with UNIX minis in the NJ 'ground central for UNIX development' area. :) -Alan On 2019-01-04 09:59, dillera@gmail.com wrote:
For VCF Mid-Lantic there are a number of SGI ppl coming and will get two tables. You are going to do yours at SE- do you plan to attend mid-lantic this year?
Ok sounds good. Anyone else interested- please let me know if you can meet up at the Repair Sat Jan 12th at the Info center. I'll be there. Hopefully some people can show up and we can discuss and make some solid plans for VCF-E '19. If not there is always Feb to meet. i'll work on getting a mailing list setup "Retro Unix" - is that something VCF can do Evan? If not I can setup a list somewhere, but I'd like it to be on VCF if that is a possibility. And also some channels on Discord, which if you are willing to login is very awesome and has allowed our little SGI team to do amazing work with people across the globe - with much faster realtime communications and images. Email is a little bit slower but also good in conjunction w/ Discord to keep a more permanent record and archive about what is going on. -andy
On Jan 4, 2019, at 11:17 AM, alan--- via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Not going to make East this year. And will likely have to cancel my PNW plans due to other commitments. Going to shoot for West and Berlin later in the year.
But you shouldn't have any trouble with UNIX minis in the NJ 'ground central for UNIX development' area. :)
-Alan
On 2019-01-04 09:59, dillera@gmail.com wrote:
For VCF Mid-Lantic there are a number of SGI ppl coming and will get two tables. You are going to do yours at SE- do you plan to attend mid-lantic this year?
i'll work on getting a mailing list setup "Retro Unix" - is that something VCF can do Evan?
We already have that on the forum: http://www.vcfed.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?26-Unix-Xenix-Linux-Workstations
i'll work on getting a mailing list setup "Retro Unix" - is that something VCF can do Evan?
We already have that on the forum:
http://www.vcfed.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?26-Unix-Xenix-Linux-Workstations
Or did you mean a private list just for arranging a VCF East exhibit? In that case I suggest doing it however you prefer -- Google Group, Slack, or whatever.
Hi - I mean a mailing list for the sub-group. -andy
On Jan 4, 2019, at 11:40 AM, Evan Koblentz <evan@vcfed.org> wrote:
i'll work on getting a mailing list setup "Retro Unix" - is that something VCF can do Evan?
We already have that on the forum: http://www.vcfed.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?26-Unix-Xenix-Linux-Workstations <http://www.vcfed.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?26-Unix-Xenix-Linux-Workstations>
Discord is good for focused discussion groups. Recommended. On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 11:36 AM andy diller via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Ok sounds good.
Anyone else interested- please let me know if you can meet up at the Repair Sat Jan 12th at the Info center. I'll be there.
Hopefully some people can show up and we can discuss and make some solid plans for VCF-E '19. If not there is always Feb to meet.
i'll work on getting a mailing list setup "Retro Unix" - is that something VCF can do Evan?
If not I can setup a list somewhere, but I'd like it to be on VCF if that is a possibility.
And also some channels on Discord, which if you are willing to login is very awesome and has allowed our little SGI team to do amazing work with people across the globe - with much faster realtime communications and images. Email is a little bit slower but also good in conjunction w/ Discord to keep a more permanent record and archive about what is going on.
-andy
On Jan 4, 2019, at 11:17 AM, alan--- via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Not going to make East this year. And will likely have to cancel my PNW plans due to other commitments. Going to shoot for West and Berlin later in the year.
But you shouldn't have any trouble with UNIX minis in the NJ 'ground central for UNIX development' area. :)
-Alan
On 2019-01-04 09:59, dillera@gmail.com wrote:
For VCF Mid-Lantic there are a number of SGI ppl coming and will get two tables. You are going to do yours at SE- do you plan to attend mid-lantic this year?
On 2019-01-04 11:35, andy diller via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
Anyone else interested- please let me know if you can meet up at the Repair Sat Jan 12th at the Info center. I'll be there.
Hopefully some people can show up and we can discuss and make some solid plans for VCF-E '19. If not there is always Feb to meet.
I can't make the 12th, but I'll try for February (9th & 10th, I believe?) (Infoage is > 3.5 hours from me, alas, so this takes advance planning to make work, but it'll be worth it.) -- Jameel Akari
So 90s Unix is vintage now? Yay! Sorry if I have a chip on my shoulder but Brian Cirulnick and I did a SGI display at VCFE. I was given a lot of grief over it. I haven't bothered to display anything else since. I'm pretty much only interested in SGIs, I used to support them and I have a lot of CDs and stuff for them I am also interested in Commodore System V R4 because I'm still a Commodore Fanboy. I don't find myself near infoage much but if you need help with an SGI, I'm willing to talk.
Did you have the Indigo display? 1990s SGI is absolutely vintage now :) There should be a nice display this year, I'm bringing my Personal Iris for one, prob a onyx plus others. Do you have a 3000UX? I used to have one but now I have to use an Emulator to experience it. I have a plan to build it on the emulator then dd the image onto a SD card and then use the SCS2SD in my Amiga 3000 (not UX) to try and boot the real thing again. -andy
On Jan 4, 2019, at 9:52 AM, Christian Liendo <cliendo@gmail.com> wrote:
So 90s Unix is vintage now? Yay!
Sorry if I have a chip on my shoulder but Brian Cirulnick and I did a SGI display at VCFE.
I was given a lot of grief over it. I haven't bothered to display anything else since.
I'm pretty much only interested in SGIs, I used to support them and I have a lot of CDs and stuff for them
I am also interested in Commodore System V R4 because I'm still a Commodore Fanboy.
I don't find myself near infoage much but if you need help with an SGI, I'm willing to talk.
On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 10:03 AM <dillera@gmail.com> wrote:
Did you have the Indigo display? 1990s SGI is absolutely vintage now :)
No, at VCF East 8.0 in 2012 we had a Indy, Octane, Indigo2 and an O2 networked playing BZFlag and Dogfight This is a video of VCF and our setup at 56 seconds in. https://youtu.be/boCSTajHutc?t=56
There should be a nice display this year, I'm bringing my Personal Iris for one, prob a onyx plus others.
That would be pretty cool. Brian has a personal Iris, but we turned it on recently and blew up a capacitor.
Do you have a 3000UX? I used to have one but now I have to use an Emulator to experience it.
No, while I would like one, I am running out of room. I worked for an Amiga store called Amagination in the 90s and we had one. I remember when it came out and we demoed it at Columbia University. I was a huge Commodore/Amiga guy around that time.
I have a plan to build it on the emulator then dd the image onto a SD card and then use the SCS2SD in my Amiga 3000 (not UX) to try and boot the real thing again.
Thats cool. I mean there really wasn't much you could do with it that I remember. But it was my first real intro to Unix.
Whoa, good discussion! A few comments: - Chris: I don't remember if I was one of the critics back then. If so then I apologize. - A networked Unix "team" exhibit is very welcome at VCF East 2019 (we're no longer using version numbers). The more variety of hardware, programs, and *nix versions, the better! - We currently have a working AT&T 7300 and working NeXT Cube both displayed in the museum. - We have a motherlode of Counterpoint workstations, which (according to the ex-AT&T engineer who gave them to us) was a Unix system developed by Counterpoint and about 1,000 were made, but which were mostly landfilled by AT&T when the project got cancelled. Andy D. et al: happy to let you investigate these at our next workshop. On Fri, Jan 4, 2019, 10:19 AM Christian Liendo via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org wrote:
On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 10:03 AM <dillera@gmail.com> wrote:
Did you have the Indigo display? 1990s SGI is absolutely vintage now :)
No, at VCF East 8.0 in 2012 we had a Indy, Octane, Indigo2 and an O2 networked playing BZFlag and Dogfight
This is a video of VCF and our setup at 56 seconds in.
https://youtu.be/boCSTajHutc?t=56
There should be a nice display this year, I'm bringing my Personal Iris for one, prob a onyx plus others.
That would be pretty cool. Brian has a personal Iris, but we turned it on recently and blew up a capacitor.
Do you have a 3000UX? I used to have one but now I have to use an Emulator to experience it.
No, while I would like one, I am running out of room.
I worked for an Amiga store called Amagination in the 90s and we had one.
I remember when it came out and we demoed it at Columbia University.
I was a huge Commodore/Amiga guy around that time.
I have a plan to build it on the emulator then dd the image onto a SD card and then use the SCS2SD in my Amiga 3000 (not UX) to try and boot the real thing again.
Thats cool. I mean there really wasn't much you could do with it that I remember. But it was my first real intro to Unix.
On 2019-01-04 09:11, andy diller via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
Hello - I'm wondering if there are any other like-minded people on the list who are interested in late 1980, early 1990 UNIX workstations.
Yes! Particularly the 90s. In rough order of quantity, I have IBM RS/6000, Sun (sun3/80,sun4->sun4u), SGI (varied) and DEC (all over). I'd be up for a trade for some HP PA/RISC. I'd advocate for a sub-list or similar, sure. I don't really enjoy web forums that much, though we could do that too since it encourages photos and attachments.
I've been getting rid of all my other vintage gear and focusing on this space, mostly with SGI (IRIX) and some DEC (Tru64). Sun is
I've sort of been doing the same, at least for unexciting PC hardware. Of course, what kinds of parts do I end up needing? PC parts. ;) (though there is the weird and terrifying realm of Xenix and SCO and the AT&T 63xx WGS I have)
- meet up if possible at the monthly repair workshops - can demo a network-based install of IRIX for example using an advanced system myself and some ppl designed
I think I know what you're talking about, and this is highly relevant to interests, even if my SGI boxes are some of the heaviest damn machines I own. The native IRIX installation and software installation tools are... challenging.
Longer term goal would be to work w/ the museum and see if we can't have a little space for 1990 UNIX workstations, which are not represented in the Museum very well right now. Having them up and
One VCF East exhibit idea I've mentioned before is "The Dream Of The 90's"* where we network a bunch of this stuff together and try to show what it was like to live and play with these things, leading into the first dot-com boom. This would be a team exhibit. This idea may lend to developing a permanent exhibit, space permitting. -- Jameel Akari *Yes, this is a Portlandia reference. No I'm not ashamed, they nailed it.
I am a fan of UNIX workstations from this period. I currently own a NeXTstation Turbo Color, HP-9000 712/100 "Gecko" (running NEXTSTEP and HP/UX), and an SGI O2 running the latest IRIX (and a few modern Macs, which are UNIX, but not vintage :-) ). I've written a number of posts on my blog over the years about these machines and a few other related items, which can be seen linked from here: http://www.bytecellar.com/category/unix/ I recently came across this FB group, which is interesting and relevant: https://www.facebook.com/groups/VintageUnixEnthusiasts/ But Facebook is a terrible archive for information given the ease with which one person can delete an entire massive thread, so I don't want to get too invested. I'd be interested in a new community surrounding such unix iron, fwiw. bp On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 9:12 AM andy diller via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Hello - I'm wondering if there are any other like-minded people on the list who are interested in late 1980, early 1990 UNIX workstations.
I've been getting rid of all my other vintage gear and focusing on this space, mostly with SGI (IRIX) and some DEC (Tru64). Sun is another obvious one but AIX and HPUX are there also. It's pretty much any non-linux UNIX system that is fair game. See my diagram at the end of the email.
So- if others have a similar interest I'm proposing a few things:
- we get to know who is interested and who has what, needs what - common installation tips, media, etc - meet up if possible at the monthly repair workshops - can demo a network-based install of IRIX for example using an advanced system myself and some ppl designed
Longer term goal would be to work w/ the museum and see if we can't have a little space for 1990 UNIX workstations, which are not represented in the Museum very well right now. Having them up and networked with the ability to let visitors login and use them for simple demos- as these would not be one-of-kind systems so they could be setup as a more interpretive type space rather than a don't touch type exhibit.
That is certainly down the line. For now I'd like to know who's out there and what we have in common.
Diagram that I go by to wade thru the many systems, CPU arch and UNIX variants:
-andy
-- Heisenberg may have slept here.
On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 9:12 AM andy diller via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Hello - I'm wondering if there are any other like-minded people on the list who are interested in late 1980, early 1990 UNIX workstations.
I have an interest in vintage UNIX. I go back to the PDP-11, but as for late-80s/early-90s. I'm interested in m68K workstations by Sun and others (I have a Sun 3/60, as well as a Perkin-Elmer 7350 and AT&T UNIX-PC/7300/3b1) as well as early SPARC (SPARCstation 1, 1+, 2...) I've also been known to run UNIX on VAXen (11/730, 11/750...) including actual workstations (VAXstation 2000, primarily). I would prefer a focus on late 80s over early 90s but in part that's just because once you get to CD installs on 90s hardware, it's just not that vintage of an experience (vs jumping through the flaming hoops of the 80s). I am 9 hours drive from InfoAge, so I won't be around for any actual gatherings but I'm up for discussions and trading restoration/installation tips. This is how I earned my living in the mid-80s through late-90s, so I have a bit of background with DEC and Sun gear. -ethan
I have created a Discord server for anyone interested: https://discord.gg/tCUPCTw <https://discord.gg/tCUPCTw> Use that link to join. Discord can be used like Slack - with just a web browser or client for PC/OSX iOS/Android. It will require an email address to register. It's very useful for real-time or time-delayed questions, discussions and even voice chats. Please join if you can. There is a channel where we can discuss VCFE'19 and firm up plans for things as it approaches. I'm also interested in late 80's m68 SGI but the are so incredible rare, i may have to settle for Sun m68k. See you all around, and hopefully there will be a 1990 UNIX exhibit sometime in 2019! -andy
On Jan 4, 2019, at 1:34 PM, Ethan Dicks via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 9:12 AM andy diller via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Hello - I'm wondering if there are any other like-minded people on the list who are interested in late 1980, early 1990 UNIX workstations.
I have an interest in vintage UNIX. I go back to the PDP-11, but as for late-80s/early-90s. I'm interested in m68K workstations by Sun and others (I have a Sun 3/60, as well as a Perkin-Elmer 7350 and AT&T UNIX-PC/7300/3b1) as well as early SPARC (SPARCstation 1, 1+, 2...) I've also been known to run UNIX on VAXen (11/730, 11/750...) including actual workstations (VAXstation 2000, primarily).
I would prefer a focus on late 80s over early 90s but in part that's just because once you get to CD installs on 90s hardware, it's just not that vintage of an experience (vs jumping through the flaming hoops of the 80s).
I am 9 hours drive from InfoAge, so I won't be around for any actual gatherings but I'm up for discussions and trading restoration/installation tips.
This is how I earned my living in the mid-80s through late-90s, so I have a bit of background with DEC and Sun gear.
-ethan
On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 2:18 PM <dillera@gmail.com> wrote:
I have created a Discord server for anyone interested:
One more chat platform is five too many (I'm on three for work, and some of the same for social circles). I have chat platform fatigue. If there's a mailing list, I'll join, but no more text/chat clients. -ethan
UNIX mini discussions are always welcome on cctalk/tech. The UNIX Heritage Society and the Sun Rescue mailing lists are also yummy. I also host a 3B2info mailing list. I could host others. But is another list needed? -Alan On 2019-01-04 17:30, Ethan Dicks wrote:
On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 2:18 PM <dillera@gmail.com> wrote:
I have created a Discord server for anyone interested:
One more chat platform is five too many (I'm on three for work, and some of the same for social circles). I have chat platform fatigue.
If there's a mailing list, I'll join, but no more text/chat clients.
-ethan
But is another list needed?
Alan - he meant a communications channel specifically for organizing a VCF East group exhibit. Not a general public thing. On Fri, Jan 4, 2019, 5:34 PM alan--- via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org wrote:
UNIX mini discussions are always welcome on cctalk/tech. The UNIX Heritage Society and the Sun Rescue mailing lists are also yummy. I also host a 3B2info mailing list. I could host others. But is another list needed?
-Alan
On 2019-01-04 17:30, Ethan Dicks wrote:
On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 2:18 PM <dillera@gmail.com> wrote:
I have created a Discord server for anyone interested:
One more chat platform is five too many (I'm on three for work, and some of the same for social circles). I have chat platform fatigue.
If there's a mailing list, I'll join, but no more text/chat clients.
-ethan
On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 5:34 PM alan--- via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
UNIX mini discussions are always welcome on cctalk/tech... But is another list needed?
I think the point here is a regionally-centric list including planning workshops/get-togethers at InfoAge. Discussion of the machines is definitely in scope for a number of existing lists, but planning local meetups is less so. Of course, using a RT chat platform solves different problems than a mailing list, and creates new ones too. -ethan
Sorry if I wasn't clear- i mean a list specifically for unix topics - - for the upcoming VCFe-19. - for local people that will meet in person at monthly meetings @ Infoage and drag systems w/ them - for planning and designing and working towards an official exhibit in the VCF Museum - for donating time, equipment and helping w/ these systems specifically - esp if it evolves into an exhibit in the Museum But I'm very fine with just keeping it on this list - not sure how wide this list was or if there were more specific VCF lists. --------------- Regarding the upcoming VCFe-19 and a potential Unix workstation/Server Showcase- We have setup the Discord and the people that are happy using that or IRC (making an IRC/Discord bridge) will find their way there I'm sure. We can keep the this list current with what happens in Discord and vise-versa. To that effect I have a google spreadsheet that I'd like to get people to fill out if they are interested in joining the larger '1990s Unix Exhibit' at VCFe-19. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1A1z62SaxF6IrwkiFUVIxcjxWOmWrcvLxDJKQ... Putting anything on there is clearly not a obligation to join up at VCFe19... it will just help us that want to sort things out first, before we get there (like TCP/IP settings, common NFS share, dhcp, bootp, etc) so that the setup can go quickly and get sorted without too many issues. If you feel like you'd benefit from joining our common services then please let me know or fill out the sheet. thanks, -andy
On Jan 4, 2019, at 5:42 PM, Ethan Dicks via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 5:34 PM alan--- via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
UNIX mini discussions are always welcome on cctalk/tech... But is another list needed?
I think the point here is a regionally-centric list including planning workshops/get-togethers at InfoAge. Discussion of the machines is definitely in scope for a number of existing lists, but planning local meetups is less so.
Of course, using a RT chat platform solves different problems than a mailing list, and creates new ones too.
-ethan
On Fri, 4 Jan 2019, Ethan Dicks wrote:
On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 2:18 PM <dillera@gmail.com> wrote:
I have created a Discord server for anyone interested:
One more chat platform is five too many (I'm on three for work, and some of the same for social circles). I have chat platform fatigue.
If there's a mailing list, I'll join, but no more text/chat clients.
-ethan
I'm with Ethan on this. I prefer a good old-fashioned mailing list. Mike Loewen mloewen@cpumagic.scol.pa.us Old Technology http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/
On Fri, 4 Jan 2019, Ethan Dicks via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
I would prefer a focus on late 80s over early 90s but in part that's just because once you get to CD installs on 90s hardware, it's just not that vintage of an experience (vs jumping through the flaming hoops of the 80s).
"Flaming hoops", indeed. :-) My first Sun installations were done with QIC tapes. The first time I had to rebuild the kernel, I was nervous as hell that the system wouldn't come back up again,
This is how I earned my living in the mid-80s through late-90s, so I have a bit of background with DEC and Sun gear.
I was working for a CAD VAR from 1988 - 1994. I started on a Sun 3/60 around 1990, then used most every Sun workstation through the SPARC 10 and finally an Ultra 10 at the university. I was a die-hard SunOS holdout, until I finally had to switch to Solaris. Mike Loewen mloewen@cpumagic.scol.pa.us Old Technology http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/
Here's my annual request for suggestions of people who could keynote at VCF East. - The person must have general appeal to our audience. It can't be someone who did something very narrow. - Nobody should reach out to speakers on VCF's behalf: just looking for suggestions right now; official communication must come from VCF officers. - We're looking for people who personally did awesome things -- not someone who worked in sales/marketing, and not someone who is a modern-day author/historian (like me!) about what other people did. (Exceptions can be made, but generally we're looking for the first-person angle.) - They don't have to be a celebrity, but they must have a resume that is keynote-worthy. - We want new people: we've done the usual suspects too much. - Obviously we prefer people who live within a couple of hundred miles of InfoAge. - It would be great to have women or people of color!
Charles H. Moore, the inventor of FORTH. We have done the inventor of C, of BASIC, why not FORTH? <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon> Virus-free. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 9:20 PM Evan via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Here's my annual request for suggestions of people who could keynote at VCF East.
- The person must have general appeal to our audience. It can't be someone who did something very narrow.
- Nobody should reach out to speakers on VCF's behalf: just looking for suggestions right now; official communication must come from VCF officers.
- We're looking for people who personally did awesome things -- not someone who worked in sales/marketing, and not someone who is a modern-day author/historian (like me!) about what other people did. (Exceptions can be made, but generally we're looking for the first-person angle.)
- They don't have to be a celebrity, but they must have a resume that is keynote-worthy.
- We want new people: we've done the usual suspects too much.
- Obviously we prefer people who live within a couple of hundred miles of InfoAge.
- It would be great to have women or people of color!
-- ========================================= Jeff Brace Vice President Vintage Computer Federation
On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 10:23 PM Evan <evan@vcfed.org> wrote:
Charles H. Moore, the inventor of FORTH. We have done the inventor of C, of BASIC, why not FORTH? Google indicates that he lives in Nevada.
That is far away. Have you asked him if he is interested? -- ========================================= Jeff Brace Vice President Vintage Computer Federation
No, just giving suggestions to you all. -andy On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 2:08 PM Jeffrey Brace via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 10:23 PM Evan <evan@vcfed.org> wrote:
Charles H. Moore, the inventor of FORTH. We have done the inventor of C, of BASIC, why not FORTH? Google indicates that he lives in Nevada.
That is far away. Have you asked him if he is interested?
-- ========================================= Jeff Brace Vice President Vintage Computer Federation
No, just giving suggestions to you all.
Jeff meant me. On Mon, Jan 7, 2019, 2:25 PM Andrew Diller via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org wrote:
No, just giving suggestions to you all.
-andy
On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 2:08 PM Jeffrey Brace via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 10:23 PM Evan <evan@vcfed.org> wrote:
Charles H. Moore, the inventor of FORTH. We have done the inventor of C, of BASIC, why not FORTH? Google indicates that he lives in Nevada.
That is far away. Have you asked him if he is interested?
-- ========================================= Jeff Brace Vice President Vintage Computer Federation
Just getting caught up on this thread. @Evan, we have two keynotes, we should get a big wide audience name for one of them and the other we can have the commodore chip designer present for the other. I know I’d be interested in how this stuff is designed even though I didn’t own a commodore till I bought a Vic-20 last year. corey cohen uǝɥoɔ ʎǝɹoɔ Sent from my iPhone On Jan 7, 2019, at 2:27 PM, Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
No, just giving suggestions to you all.
Jeff meant me.
On Mon, Jan 7, 2019, 2:25 PM Andrew Diller via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org wrote:
No, just giving suggestions to you all.
-andy
On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 2:08 PM Jeffrey Brace via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 10:23 PM Evan <evan@vcfed.org> wrote:
Charles H. Moore, the inventor of FORTH. We have done the inventor of C, of BASIC, why not FORTH? Google indicates that he lives in Nevada.
That is far away. Have you asked him if he is interested?
-- ========================================= Jeff Brace Vice President Vintage Computer Federation
Chip designer could work for Friday. But everyone -- even my fellow VCF management colleagues ;) -- needs to understand that if another Commodore person if a big speaker, then we'll lose the big iron audience, and so on and so on.... what we CAN do as a compromise is invite her to do a how-to Friday slot, just like Bil Herd usually does for us. On Mon, Jan 7, 2019, 6:01 PM corey cohen <coreyvcf@gmail.com wrote:
Just getting caught up on this thread.
@Evan, we have two keynotes, we should get a big wide audience name for one of them and the other we can have the commodore chip designer present for the other. I know I’d be interested in how this stuff is designed even though I didn’t own a commodore till I bought a Vic-20 last year.
*corey cohenuǝɥoɔ ʎǝɹoɔ* Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 7, 2019, at 2:27 PM, Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
No, just giving suggestions to you all.
Jeff meant me.
On Mon, Jan 7, 2019, 2:25 PM Andrew Diller via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org wrote:
No, just giving suggestions to you all.
-andy
On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 2:08 PM Jeffrey Brace via vcf-midatlantic <
vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 10:23 PM Evan <evan@vcfed.org> wrote:
Charles H. Moore, the inventor of FORTH.
We have done the inventor of C, of BASIC, why not FORTH?
Google indicates that he lives in Nevada.
That is far away. Have you asked him if he is interested?
--
=========================================
Jeff Brace
Vice President
Vintage Computer Federation
Sandy Fisher declined our VCF East invitation. Said she doesn't like public speaking.
On 1/7/2019 2:27 PM, Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
No, just giving suggestions to you all. Jeff meant me.
On Mon, Jan 7, 2019, 2:25 PM Andrew Diller via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org wrote: Really?
No, just giving suggestions to you all.
-andy
On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 2:08 PM Jeffrey Brace via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 10:23 PM Evan <evan@vcfed.org> wrote:
Charles H. Moore, the inventor of FORTH. We have done the inventor of C, of BASIC, why not FORTH? Google indicates that he lives in Nevada.
That is far away. Have you asked him if he is interested?
-- ========================================= Jeff Brace Vice President Vintage Computer Federation
I think asking Sandy Fisher is a great idea. Anyone who is into Commodore or hardware design would probably like to hear her speak. Evan, you also mentioned you would like to get some women as speakers at some point, so this seems perfect to me. On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 11:55 PM Douglas Crawford via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
On 1/7/2019 2:27 PM, Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
No, just giving suggestions to you all. Jeff meant me.
On Mon, Jan 7, 2019, 2:25 PM Andrew Diller via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org wrote: Really?
No, just giving suggestions to you all.
-andy
On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 2:08 PM Jeffrey Brace via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 10:23 PM Evan <evan@vcfed.org> wrote:
Charles H. Moore, the inventor of FORTH. We have done the inventor of C, of BASIC, why not FORTH? Google indicates that he lives in Nevada.
That is far away. Have you asked him if he is interested?
-- ========================================= Jeff Brace Vice President Vintage Computer Federation
I don't know about Keynote but Sandy Fisher a chip technician at Commodore who did the layout on Fat Agnus and many other chips lives in Pennsylvania. https://www.facebook.com/sandy.fisher.52 I'm always down for Commodore stories.
Actually come to think of it. Why not her? On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 11:44 AM Christian Liendo <cliendo@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't know about Keynote but Sandy Fisher a chip technician at Commodore who did the layout on Fat Agnus and many other chips lives in Pennsylvania.
https://www.facebook.com/sandy.fisher.52
I'm always down for Commodore stories.
Too narrow a topic. The keynotes need to be about things that appeal to everyone.
Actually come to think of it. Why not her?
On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 11:44 AM Christian Liendo <cliendo@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't know about Keynote but Sandy Fisher a chip technician at Commodore who did the layout on Fat Agnus and many other chips lives in Pennsylvania.
https://www.facebook.com/sandy.fisher.52
I'm always down for Commodore stories.
I thought computer history did appeal to everyone. On Jan 7, 2019, at 11:50 AM, Evan via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote: Too narrow a topic. The keynotes need to be about things that appeal to everyone.
Actually come to think of it. Why not her?
On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 11:44 AM Christian Liendo <cliendo@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't know about Keynote but Sandy Fisher a chip technician at Commodore who did the layout on Fat Agnus and many other chips lives in Pennsylvania.
https://www.facebook.com/sandy.fisher.52
I'm always down for Commodore stories.
+1 Commodore amiga history and chip fab should appeal to most ppl coming to vcfe. Plus the Agnes and chip ram is fascinating subject. - andy diller
On Jan 7, 2019, at 12:14 PM, Chris Fala via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
I thought computer history did appeal to everyone.
On Jan 7, 2019, at 11:50 AM, Evan via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Too narrow a topic.
The keynotes need to be about things that appeal to everyone.
Actually come to think of it. Why not her?
On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 11:44 AM Christian Liendo <cliendo@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't know about Keynote but Sandy Fisher a chip technician at Commodore who did the layout on Fat Agnus and many other chips lives in Pennsylvania.
https://www.facebook.com/sandy.fisher.52
I'm always down for Commodore stories.
On Jan 7, 2019, at 12:14 PM, Chris Fala via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
I thought computer history did appeal to everyone.
On Jan 7, 2019, at 11:50 AM, Evan via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Too narrow a topic.
The keynotes need to be about things that appeal to everyone.
Actually come to think of it. Why not her?
On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 11:44 AM Christian Liendo <cliendo@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't know about Keynote but Sandy Fisher a chip technician at Commodore who did the layout on Fat Agnus and many other chips lives in Pennsylvania.
https://www.facebook.com/sandy.fisher.52
I'm always down for Commodore stories.
I understand Evan’s desire for mass appeal but at the same time I can say without a doubt I and many others had zero interest in hearing about the development of C or C+ and similar topics. Not everyone who is into computers or even vintage computers is a programmer. I know I’m not, nor was I back then. I dabbled, still do, but I’m a user not a programmer, as most people are I would imagine. While obviously focusing on computers and computer history will certainly skew the numbers towards more programmers being involved vs. the general public, (like in this list!) many people I’ve dealt with at the past 4 VCF East events I exhibited at were in the same category as me (and of course many others were not) So while universal appeal is a nice idea it is not practical to expect it. Until you get to BIG names (gates, Woz, etc) you will have to “settle” for someone with a narrower focus. Looking back at the past 5 primary keynotes fo the 5 VCF East shows I have attended, several we’re definitely a narrow focus compared to others in the past. Granted, perhaps not as narrow as the person mentioned, I cannot say as I know nothing about her, but seeing as how it’s already January and the process is just starting, I wouldn’t be too quick to dismiss any potential options. Funny side note, as I proof read my email I found it amusing my phone auto capitalized Woz but not gates! :-) Tony
On 1/7/2019 10:50 AM, Evan via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
Too narrow a topic.
The keynotes need to be about things that appeal to everyone.
Forgive me, as I am not privy to the nuances of etiquette on this list, but I am surprised to see this response to the suggestion. I can see the point about potential lack of general appeal (though I have found those with very specialized skills sets who labor in obscurity to have the best and most original stories to tell), though I hope it does not alter the desire to suggest others for the keynote. Maybe I'm an outlier on the list, not being from the MidAtlantic area, and this is normal for y'all. If so, please ignore, and my apologies. I thought I should relate, as the list is sometimes the only lens some of us have to view the group. JIm
Too narrow a topic.
The keynotes need to be about things that appeal to everyone.
Forgive me, as I am not privy to the nuances of etiquette on this list, but I am surprised to see this response to the suggestion. I can see the point about potential lack of general appeal (though I have found those with very specialized skills sets who labor in obscurity to have the best and most original stories to tell), though I hope it does not alter the desire to suggest others for the keynote.
Maybe I'm an outlier on the list, not being from the MidAtlantic area, and this is normal for y'all. If so, please ignore, and my apologies. I thought I should relate, as the list is sometimes the only lens some of us have to view the group.
JIm
Jim -- We're always happy to hear from you. For the Friday classes, we have how-to talks; these are quite technical and topic-specific by design. But there is a single keynote on Saturday and Sunday. These need to have wide general interest.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1462758959/commodore-the-amiga-years-bo... On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 11:45 AM Christian Liendo via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
I don't know about Keynote but Sandy Fisher a chip technician at Commodore who did the layout on Fat Agnus and many other chips lives in Pennsylvania.
https://www.facebook.com/sandy.fisher.52
I'm always down for Commodore stories.
Hi Jeff, As an interesting side note on this, FORTH was created on the IBM 1130. Chuck Moore wanted to name it FOURTH, but the 1130 only had 5 character file names. In 2011, I contacted Chuck to see if he had and left over materials from the 1130 FORTH days. He found some old listings and sent them to me, but I didn't notice what he had sent. Last year, Carl Claunch asked me if I had ever gotten anything from Chuck, so I went back and looked. I had about 12 pages of code, and I forwarded it to Carl. It turned out to be the entire code for a very early version of FORTH. Carl has been working on it to get it running again on his 1130. Regards, Bob On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 10:21 PM Jeffrey Brace via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Charles H. Moore, the inventor of FORTH. We have done the inventor of C, of BASIC, why not FORTH?
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On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 9:20 PM Evan via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Here's my annual request for suggestions of people who could keynote at VCF East.
- The person must have general appeal to our audience. It can't be someone who did something very narrow.
- Nobody should reach out to speakers on VCF's behalf: just looking for suggestions right now; official communication must come from VCF officers.
- We're looking for people who personally did awesome things -- not someone who worked in sales/marketing, and not someone who is a modern-day author/historian (like me!) about what other people did. (Exceptions can be made, but generally we're looking for the first-person angle.)
- They don't have to be a celebrity, but they must have a resume that is keynote-worthy.
- We want new people: we've done the usual suspects too much.
- Obviously we prefer people who live within a couple of hundred miles of InfoAge.
- It would be great to have women or people of color!
-- ========================================= Jeff Brace Vice President Vintage Computer Federation
As an interesting side note on this, FORTH was created on the IBM 1130. Chuck Moore wanted to name it FOURTH, but the 1130 only had 5 character file names.
In 2011, I contacted Chuck to see if he had and left over materials from the 1130 FORTH days. He found some old listings and sent them to me, but I didn't notice what he had sent.
Last year, Carl Claunch asked me if I had ever gotten anything from Chuck, so I went back and looked. I had about 12 pages of code, and I forwarded it to Carl. It turned out to be the entire code for a very early version of FORTH. Carl has been working on it to get it running again on his 1130.
One day we'll find people to restore our 1130.
On Jan 4, 2019, at 9:19 PM, Evan via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Here's my annual request for suggestions of people who could keynote at VCF East.
- The person must have general appeal to our audience. It can't be someone who did something very narrow.
I’m going to throw the name Walt Jung who I have recently stumbled across and seems quite lucid on the topic of op-amp. I can’t tell if what he did was narrow (focusing on op-amps) or general op-amps are fundamental argument. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walt_Jung <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walt_Jung> I find his writing quite comprehensible. Ben
- Nobody should reach out to speakers on VCF's behalf: just looking for suggestions right now; official communication must come from VCF officers.
- We're looking for people who personally did awesome things -- not someone who worked in sales/marketing, and not someone who is a modern-day author/historian (like me!) about what other people did. (Exceptions can be made, but generally we're looking for the first-person angle.)
- They don't have to be a celebrity, but they must have a resume that is keynote-worthy.
- We want new people: we've done the usual suspects too much.
- Obviously we prefer people who live within a couple of hundred miles of InfoAge.
- It would be great to have women or people of color!
Update: two people here in VCF/Mid-Atlantic made generous donations to the IXR/CDL fund -- thank you! Latest update is the newly merged group is only $194 short of their goal. On 1/3/19 5:39 PM, Evan Koblentz wrote:
From the "Many of you may already know this, but some may not" department:
For the past few years there's been a makerspace located at InfoAge. It was called the Institute for Exploratory Research, or "IXR". Adjacent to the IXR's space on the InfoAge campus was the Computer Deconstruction Lab, where people can learn about modern computers. It also has a podcast studio.
Neither group was an independent entity, unlike VCF, NJARC, NJHDA, etc. -- IXR and CDL were simply part of InfoAge.
Now, with InfoAge's blessing, the two groups are both closing and reforming as an independent entity (just like VCF, etc.) under the CDL name. That is already underway. The new group will be branded as "Computer Deconstruction Lab -- the Jersey Shore Makerspace".
CDL needs to raise $1,084 for all the business/non-profit filing fees. So far they raised $710.
IXR/CDL separately have been helpful resources to VCF and to InfoAge, so let's return the favor! Perhaps VCF/Mid-Atlantic members can help CDL raise the remaining funds. (Any funds beyond that amount will be used as seed money.)
The new group doesn't yet have its own bank account. As I understand it, their treasurer will be Martin Flynn, who of course is a trusted VCF member too.
Their other officers will be secretary Neil Cherry (also one of us!); president Dan Jacobs (a good friend to us); and VP Joe Wilkes. I will be one of the board members, but I won't be involved in day-to-day management. VCF keeps me plenty busy. :)
Until they get a bank account (and thus a PayPal account), Martin is handling the funds directly. Please contact him at maflynn@theflynn.org to inquire about helping them get started. (FYI: they said these donations are NOT tax-deductible, because they're ahead of the status being obtained.)
The group's website is www.compdecon.org.
-- Evan Koblentz, executive director Vintage Computer Federation www.vcfed.org evan@vcfed.org (646) 546-9999 VCF is a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization.
Technical nonprofit management point / question... If InfoAge is a 501(c)3 and they have been a part of / program of InfoAge - in other words InfoAge has been acting as an umbrella and a fiscal sponsor to them, and they are now simply spinning off, then couldn't people donate to InfoAge on behalf of the project of independence for this organization? As long as InfoAge would utilize funds donated for that specific purpose, for that purpose, I would think it would be a legitimate tax deductible charitable contribution. On Thursday, January 3, 2019, 5:39:42 PM EST, Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote: From the "Many of you may already know this, but some may not" department: For the past few years there's been a makerspace located at InfoAge. It was called the Institute for Exploratory Research, or "IXR". Adjacent to the IXR's space on the InfoAge campus was the Computer Deconstruction Lab, where people can learn about modern computers. It also has a podcast studio. Neither group was an independent entity, unlike VCF, NJARC, NJHDA, etc. -- IXR and CDL were simply part of InfoAge. Now, with InfoAge's blessing, the two groups are both closing and reforming as an independent entity (just like VCF, etc.) under the CDL name. That is already underway. The new group will be branded as "Computer Deconstruction Lab -- the Jersey Shore Makerspace". CDL needs to raise $1,084 for all the business/non-profit filing fees. So far they raised $710. IXR/CDL separately have been helpful resources to VCF and to InfoAge, so let's return the favor! Perhaps VCF/Mid-Atlantic members can help CDL raise the remaining funds. (Any funds beyond that amount will be used as seed money.) The new group doesn't yet have its own bank account. As I understand it, their treasurer will be Martin Flynn, who of course is a trusted VCF member too. Their other officers will be secretary Neil Cherry (also one of us!); president Dan Jacobs (a good friend to us); and VP Joe Wilkes. I will be one of the board members, but I won't be involved in day-to-day management. VCF keeps me plenty busy. :) Until they get a bank account (and thus a PayPal account), Martin is handling the funds directly. Please contact him at maflynn@theflynn.org to inquire about helping them get started. (FYI: they said these donations are NOT tax-deductible, because they're ahead of the status being obtained.) The group's website is www.compdecon.org.
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