Re: [vcf-midatlantic] the binary programmer cartoon
re: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/209/503496984_bc43812ff6_o.jpg It's a Far Side style cartoon "real programmers code in binary" showing a fellow at a CRT displaying only ones and zeroes. The kybd has 3 keys: 0 1 enter I'm not amused, nor is anyone who uses front panels, whether toggle switched or pushbuttons. At least we "enter the program" in binary. Even Evan's doing that now! Some systems have pushbuttons that encourage "chording" in octal: the kembak, Univac, HP, etc. There's a reason all computers up to the 70s had huge front panels. The binary status REALLY MATTERED. -- Jeff Jonas
It's a Far Side style cartoon "real programmers code in binary" showing a fellow at a CRT displaying only ones and zeroes. The kybd has 3 keys: 0 1 enter
I'm not amused, nor is anyone who uses front panels, whether toggle switched or pushbuttons. At least we "enter the program" in binary. Even Evan's doing that now!
LOL ... learning the fundamentals of the HP-1000 and PDP-8 front panels, and starting to learn assembly, has been a real eye-opener for me. Mostly it's confirmed my existing belief that you guys are all very smart and/or very crazy. :)
On Wed, 9 Aug 2017, Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
It's a Far Side style cartoon "real programmers code in binary" showing a fellow at a CRT displaying only ones and zeroes. The kybd has 3 keys: 0 1 enter
I'm not amused, nor is anyone who uses front panels, whether toggle switched or pushbuttons. At least we "enter the program" in binary. Even Evan's doing that now!
LOL ... learning the fundamentals of the HP-1000 and PDP-8 front panels, and starting to learn assembly, has been a real eye-opener for me. Mostly it's confirmed my existing belief that you guys are all very smart and/or very crazy. :)
"I'm not crazy - my mother had me tested." Mike Loewen mloewen@cpumagic.scol.pa.us Old Technology http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/
On 2017-08-09 06:17, Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
LOL ... learning the fundamentals of the HP-1000 and PDP-8 front panels, and starting to learn assembly, has been a real eye-opener for me. Mostly it's confirmed my existing belief that you guys are all very smart and/or very crazy. :)
For your next stupid human trick.. err I mean eye opener, you need to design your own CPU at a register transfer level out of either standard logic families (74xx/4xxx) or discrete transistors like Eric. Then after that you need to build your own transistor from raw Earth materials. Then we can let you into the super secret engineering rooms... where things REALLY get crazy! -Alan
LOL ... learning the fundamentals of the HP-1000 and PDP-8 front panels, and starting to learn assembly, has been a real eye-opener for me. Mostly it's confirmed my existing belief that you guys are all very smart and/or very crazy. :) For your next stupid human trick.. err I mean eye opener, you need to design your own CPU at a register transfer level out of either standard logic families (74xx/4xxx) or discrete transistors like Eric. Then after that you need to build your own transistor from raw Earth materials. Then we can let you into the super secret engineering rooms... where things REALLY get crazy!
I'll get right on that.
On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 8:04 AM, Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
LOL ... learning the fundamentals of the HP-1000 and PDP-8 front panels,
and starting to learn assembly, has been a real eye-opener for me. Mostly it's confirmed my existing belief that you guys are all very smart and/or very crazy. :)
For your next stupid human trick.. err I mean eye opener, you need to design your own CPU at a register transfer level out of either standard logic families (74xx/4xxx) or discrete transistors like Eric. Then after that you need to build your own transistor from raw Earth materials. Then we can let you into the super secret engineering rooms... where things REALLY get crazy!
I'll get right on that.
and then you have to build a 1-bit CPU, where all operations are done in serial fashion, not the customary 8-bit parallel [or 16-bit,32-bit,etc] That's another terminology which has faded from history, These days, when you mention the phrase "parallel computer", it refers to multiple processors operating together, in a cohesive fashion. If you recall some of the systems from the past history, that earlier terminology about serial computers was commonplace, and it was done mostly to save money on components, But always at the expense of performance. So you can't go wrong with making only 1-bit CPU ;) Dan
On 08/09/2017 08:20 AM, Dan Roganti via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 8:04 AM, Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
LOL ... learning the fundamentals of the HP-1000 and PDP-8 front panels,
and starting to learn assembly, has been a real eye-opener for me. Mostly it's confirmed my existing belief that you guys are all very smart and/or very crazy. :)
For your next stupid human trick.. err I mean eye opener, you need to design your own CPU at a register transfer level out of either standard logic families (74xx/4xxx) or discrete transistors like Eric. Then after that you need to build your own transistor from raw Earth materials. Then we can let you into the super secret engineering rooms... where things REALLY get crazy!
I'll get right on that.
and then you have to build a 1-bit CPU, where all operations are done in serial fashion, not the customary 8-bit parallel [or 16-bit,32-bit,etc] That's another terminology which has faded from history, These days, when you mention the phrase "parallel computer", it refers to multiple processors operating together, in a cohesive fashion. If you recall some of the systems from the past history, that earlier terminology about serial computers was commonplace, and it was done mostly to save money on components, But always at the expense of performance. So you can't go wrong with making only 1-bit CPU ;)
It is often forgotten that parallelism can be implemented at many different levels in computing. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
To really make a computer from scratch, you must first create a universe. Thanks, Carl. Bob On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 8:02 AM, Alan Hightower via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
On 2017-08-09 06:17, Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
LOL ... learning the fundamentals of the HP-1000 and PDP-8 front panels, and starting to learn assembly, has been a real eye-opener for me. Mostly it's confirmed my existing belief that you guys are all very smart and/or very crazy. :)
For your next stupid human trick.. err I mean eye opener, you need to design your own CPU at a register transfer level out of either standard logic families (74xx/4xxx) or discrete transistors like Eric. Then after that you need to build your own transistor from raw Earth materials. Then we can let you into the super secret engineering rooms... where things REALLY get crazy!
-Alan
The cartoon is clearly referring to Verilog and VHDL programmers... -Alan On 2017-08-09 06:11, Jeffrey Jonas via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
re: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/209/503496984_bc43812ff6_o.jpg [1]
It's a Far Side style cartoon "real programmers code in binary" showing a fellow at a CRT displaying only ones and zeroes. The kybd has 3 keys: 0 1 enter
I'm not amused, nor is anyone who uses front panels, whether toggle switched or pushbuttons. At least we "enter the program" in binary. Even Evan's doing that now!
Some systems have pushbuttons that encourage "chording" in octal: the kembak, Univac, HP, etc.
There's a reason all computers up to the 70s had huge front panels. The binary status REALLY MATTERED.
-- Jeff Jonas
Links: ------ [1] http://farm1.static.flickr.com/209/503496984_bc43812ff6_o.jpg
On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 8:13 AM, Alan Hightower via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
The cartoon is clearly referring to Verilog and VHDL programmers...
-Alan
I would say it's far more earlier than verilog or vhdl, We had programming machines before there was any HDL language Much like the programming charts from the Eniac, where you had to create your design with the necessary logic, and then manually enter the 1's and 0's into the programming machine, essentially the points in the silicon die where you blew the fuse elements, These were basically the very first PLDs. from MMI, there might have been another vendor was available then too Dan
On 08/09/2017 08:13 AM, Alan Hightower via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
The cartoon is clearly referring to Verilog and VHDL programmers...
1 (think about it ... ) -- Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry ncherry@linuxha.com http://www.linuxha.com/ Main site http://linuxha.blogspot.com/ My HA Blog Author of: Linux Smart Homes For Dummies
On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 8:32 AM, Neil Cherry via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
On 08/09/2017 08:13 AM, Alan Hightower via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
The cartoon is clearly referring to Verilog and VHDL programmers...
1 (think about it ... )
wait a min, are you talking about that joke, there's only 10 people in the world, blah, blah, blah.....ugh One could start a bigger Flame war about Verilog and Vhdl ;)
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