It's so cool when us plebeians get a glimpse of the fabulous life you and the board lead. :-) -----Original Message----- From: vcf-midatlantic [mailto:vcf-midatlantic-bounces@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org] On Behalf Of William Dudley via vcf-midatlantic Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 17:14 To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> Cc: William Dudley <wfdudley@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] WTF!!!!!!!! Well, now that you've spilled the beans, let us know what the outcome is. Bill Dudley This email is free of malware because I run Linux. On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 5:09 PM, Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:

Crap. I meant to post this to the board list.

On 05/10/2017 05:06 PM, Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic wrote:

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Some kind of film crew posted on the IA page 20 minutes ago that "our awesome location" is in the VCFed museum. They posted a picture of our mainframe aisle with their stuff on top of our MOBIDIC display case, on top of the Prime, and TAPED to the front of George. None of this happened with any permission from us, nor even Fred giving us any heads-up about it.

I called Dean. He said he's 8 minutes away. I told him to rush over, go directly to our space, and find out what the hell is going on.

________________________________ Evan Koblentz, director Vintage Computer Federation a 501(c)(3) educational non-profit

evan@vcfed.org (646) 546-9999

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________________________________ Evan Koblentz, director Vintage Computer Federation a 501(c)(3) educational non-profit

evan@vcfed.org (646) 546-9999

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Moron alert! Let 'em have it with both barrels. -Dave On 05/10/2017 05:24 PM, Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic wrote:

https://www.facebook.com/pg/AbsynthiaRyan/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1908805...

The film people posted photos of their cast/crew messing with George's control knobs, taping stuff to the screen, and even leaning against the Univac.

IA never even gave us a heads-up that anyone would be filming there. Even if they had done so, who in their right mind would think it's okay to do shit with artifacts???????????

Dean (who's on our chapter board) is there now. He is handling this.

-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

On the facebook page this is posted: Fred Carl: InfoAge and Camp Evans are thrilled the filming was a success. We are excited to see the finished film. Thanks for choosing our location! -----Original Message----- From: vcf-midatlantic [mailto:vcf-midatlantic-bounces@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org] On Behalf Of Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 5:24 PM To: vcf-midatlantic Cc: Evan Koblentz Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] WTF!!!!!!!! https://www.facebook.com/pg/AbsynthiaRyan/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1908805... The film people posted photos of their cast/crew messing with George's control knobs, taping stuff to the screen, and even leaning against the Univac. IA never even gave us a heads-up that anyone would be filming there. Even if they had done so, who in their right mind would think it's okay to do shit with artifacts??????????? Dean (who's on our chapter board) is there now. He is handling this.

My comments were also deleted and it appears I have been banned from their page. My experience with FB says that reviews are harder to delete. Just a thought. -Adam On 5/10/2017 9:52 PM, Tony Bogan via vcf-midatlantic wrote:

My back and forth with the group in question has been deleted from their page. I only got a screen shot of my first comments to them. The exchange where I tried to point out their disrespect for the items in the museum by putting their feet on them (one picture of girl leaning on UNIVAC which is still up) and their responses trying to justify their actions because they "gave a big check" to IA and "signed the release and were given permission" (along with my response that they obviously have no respect for museum items and took it beyond acceptable behavior) have all been deleted. I did not get screen shots before they were deleted (in the middle of our exchange it was removed before I hd even finished typing)

I also made it clear my personal issues with their lack of respect had nothing to do with IA or Fred (they....Absynthia.... mentioned him by name) but was with their poor behavior and lack of respect for museum artifacts.

Unfortunately that even deleted my comments from my own activity log so there's only my word as to what they said and how they tried to justify their actions. Tony

Sent from my iPhone

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On May 10, 2017, at 9:37 PM, W2HX via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:

On the facebook page this is posted:

Fred Carl: InfoAge and Camp Evans are thrilled the filming was a success. We are excited to see the finished film. Thanks for choosing our location!

-----Original Message----- From: vcf-midatlantic [mailto:vcf-midatlantic-bounces@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org] On Behalf Of Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 5:24 PM To: vcf-midatlantic Cc: Evan Koblentz Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] WTF!!!!!!!!

https://www.facebook.com/pg/AbsynthiaRyan/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1908805...

The film people posted photos of their cast/crew messing with George's control knobs, taping stuff to the screen, and even leaning against the Univac.

IA never even gave us a heads-up that anyone would be filming there. Even if they had done so, who in their right mind would think it's okay to do shit with artifacts???????????

Dean (who's on our chapter board) is there now. He is handling this.

The kids deleted my comments and banned me as well, and I saw a comment from Matt Patoray pop up and stay visible for about a minute too. I have a screen grab of some of it. -Dave On 05/10/2017 09:52 PM, Tony Bogan via vcf-midatlantic wrote:

My back and forth with the group in question has been deleted from their page. I only got a screen shot of my first comments to them. The exchange where I tried to point out their disrespect for the items in the museum by putting their feet on them (one picture of girl leaning on UNIVAC which is still up) and their responses trying to justify their actions because they "gave a big check" to IA and "signed the release and were given permission" (along with my response that they obviously have no respect for museum items and took it beyond acceptable behavior) have all been deleted. I did not get screen shots before they were deleted (in the middle of our exchange it was removed before I hd even finished typing)

I also made it clear my personal issues with their lack of respect had nothing to do with IA or Fred (they....Absynthia.... mentioned him by name) but was with their poor behavior and lack of respect for museum artifacts.

Unfortunately that even deleted my comments from my own activity log so there's only my word as to what they said and how they tried to justify their actions. Tony

Sent from my iPhone

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On May 10, 2017, at 9:37 PM, W2HX via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:

On the facebook page this is posted:

Fred Carl: InfoAge and Camp Evans are thrilled the filming was a success. We are excited to see the finished film. Thanks for choosing our location!

-----Original Message----- From: vcf-midatlantic [mailto:vcf-midatlantic-bounces@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org] On Behalf Of Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 5:24 PM To: vcf-midatlantic Cc: Evan Koblentz Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] WTF!!!!!!!!

https://www.facebook.com/pg/AbsynthiaRyan/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1908805...

The film people posted photos of their cast/crew messing with George's control knobs, taping stuff to the screen, and even leaning against the Univac.

IA never even gave us a heads-up that anyone would be filming there. Even if they had done so, who in their right mind would think it's okay to do shit with artifacts???????????

Dean (who's on our chapter board) is there now. He is handling this.

-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

On 5/10/2017 10:29 PM, Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic wrote:

Guys,

Obviously I made a mistake by accidentally posting my comment in public. It was meant for the group leaders.

I have a bunch more info, and I'd love to comment here, but a sudden burst of better judgment prevents me from doing so. :)

Rest assured, we are taking this matter very seriously and addressing our concerns to IA management.

I realize you are all upset and good judgement should prevail in public discourse. However, I would appreciate it if you would continue to keep the list informed of the specifics of the matter, for a few reasons: * A number of folks on the list are participants in similar relationships with places like IA (perhaps not computing, but many things are set up like this, with shared spaces), and so learnings from this could be great benefit. (Was there some implicit permissions given by VCFed to IA to allow these things, and nobody noticed, sort of a "you can use the space, but everything here is subject to use by us for various activities"?) * Those who are not currently involved are still interested in the breakdown (if so) of communication, or the liabilities of co-locating with IA. That said, and while I think the music group (I assume that is what they are) seemed rather non-respectful of the equipment, it might be that IA resources told them they could do those things (unlikely, but so is this entire event, and here you are). Thus, those comments might be best to share in private until all can certify the truth. But, please, don't clam up now, at least not in sharing facts. JIm -- RETRO Innovations, Contemporary Gear for Classic Systems www.go4retro.com store.go4retro.com

On 5/10/2017 11:52 PM, Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic wrote:

I wasn't there and so I do not know what was said between IA and the film people. However, the film people posted on FB just now: "The cast and crew would like to express our gratitude to the The InfoAge Science History Learning Center and Museum and Fred Carl for allowing us into their facility to film several poignant scenes. Thank you for allowing us free reign in our set decorations and touching the buttons (the highlight of the cast's day!)"

"Touching the buttons" concerns me. Those buttons are not IA's to allow anyone to touch. And what of the photo posted by the film people of their own people leaning on the Univac, including one photo of their people with a FOOT on the Univac? What of their photo showing a film prop abutting our analog computers? There is no such permission allowed in our lease. IA is allowed to open the room, turn on the lights, and let people walk around inside. That's it.

I feel comfortable saying all that here because our lease is a matter of public record with Wall Township.

I feel the real issue here isn't the fact that they let them touch things and possibly damage our machines, which I feel is everyone's concerns from the current discussion... The REAL BIG ISSUE here is that what if them leaning on the Univac caused it to come tumbling down and injure or even, god forbid, KILL someone. Liability is the huge issue here... If someone was hurt who's fault would it be?? IA's fault for letting them touch everything, or our fault for possibly having an "un-safe" exhibit? I'd personally like to be thankful that no-one got hurt, that no damage appeared to have been shown to the artifacts. But this is a serious misjudgement on someone's part. While I feel whoever made the decision had the best intentions with the whole ordeal, I feel a LOT more thought should have been gone into this instead of just "Ah they probably won't break anything." Its not JUST the artifacts that could get broken! I don't feel any finger pointing needs to be done, but someone needs to think in the future about possible liabilities... I bet if that film crew asked if they could climb the satellite out front of camp Evan's they would say "No that's too dangerous and too much liability for us." But leaning on an old computer? "Ah its just a computer what could go wrong?"... A computer that weighs probably close to a TON. Trust me, I know what it feels like to move a big heavy computer around, its not safe or fun if something goes wrong! My 2cents, -Connor K

Yes I have screen captures of my post and their response, before it was deleted and they banned me. If I was a rental equipment company, or an edit suite, I would think twice before renting gear or space to this group, if I saw something like this. Sent from my iPhone

On May 10, 2017, at 11:25 PM, Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:

The kids deleted my comments and banned me as well, and I saw a comment from Matt Patoray pop up and stay visible for about a minute too. I have a screen grab of some of it.

-Dave

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On 05/10/2017 09:52 PM, Tony Bogan via vcf-midatlantic wrote: My back and forth with the group in question has been deleted from their page. I only got a screen shot of my first comments to them. The exchange where I tried to point out their disrespect for the items in the museum by putting their feet on them (one picture of girl leaning on UNIVAC which is still up) and their responses trying to justify their actions because they "gave a big check" to IA and "signed the release and were given permission" (along with my response that they obviously have no respect for museum items and took it beyond acceptable behavior) have all been deleted. I did not get screen shots before they were deleted (in the middle of our exchange it was removed before I hd even finished typing)

I also made it clear my personal issues with their lack of respect had nothing to do with IA or Fred (they....Absynthia.... mentioned him by name) but was with their poor behavior and lack of respect for museum artifacts.

Unfortunately that even deleted my comments from my own activity log so there's only my word as to what they said and how they tried to justify their actions. Tony

Sent from my iPhone

...

On May 10, 2017, at 9:37 PM, W2HX via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:

On the facebook page this is posted:

Fred Carl: InfoAge and Camp Evans are thrilled the filming was a success. We are excited to see the finished film. Thanks for choosing our location!

-----Original Message----- From: vcf-midatlantic [mailto:vcf-midatlantic-bounces@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org] On Behalf Of Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 5:24 PM To: vcf-midatlantic Cc: Evan Koblentz Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] WTF!!!!!!!!

https://www.facebook.com/pg/AbsynthiaRyan/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1908805...

The film people posted photos of their cast/crew messing with George's control knobs, taping stuff to the screen, and even leaning against the Univac.

IA never even gave us a heads-up that anyone would be filming there. Even if they had done so, who in their right mind would think it's okay to do shit with artifacts???????????

Dean (who's on our chapter board) is there now. He is handling this.

-- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

Good luck with that one. On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 8:11 AM, Christian Liendo via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:

So if read all of this correctly. VCF's room is the "bridge" of the ship Absynthia in this Steampunk fictional TV Show.

Which means, the group that filmed this is expecting to go back and do this again.