Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Moving files from an old 68k-Mac to an emulator or other machine
Are you are asking if there is a more recent Linux that will support netalk? Or are you asking if any recent OSX can access the netatalk shares in 2.x? I tend to think of AppleTalk on ethernet as Ethertalk, to disambiguate it from LocalTalk (which people may be using if they have a bridge). If you can keep everything on ethernet (i.e. you have a network card for all your macs so you can get them to a switch and a common network segment/subnet) I've found that even recent versions of OSX (10.10/Yosemite) can access a netatalk 2.x share via TCPIP and easily share files with older macs. The biggest issue is usually the form of the archive used and ensuring that the resource forks can be properly re-constructed. SIT files are the best to ensure this. I've also setup netatalk on a older laptop w/ Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (Lucid Lynx) and it works great for this transfer. being on an extra, older laptop I can just leave it till I need it again and even it's smallish HD is huge in comparison to the files for classic macs. -andy
On Sep 18, 2020, at 8:29 AM, Glenn Holmer via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
From: Glenn Holmer <cenbe@kolabnow.com> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Moving files from an old 68k-Mac to an emulator or other machine Date: September 18, 2020 at 8:29:51 AM EDT To: vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org
On 9/17/20 6:13 PM, David Riley via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
Actually, IMO, the best option is: if you can get an Ethernet card in the SE, you can run Netatalk 2.x on Linux or NetBSD (both still support AppleTalk, but netatalk 3.x does not). I'm keeping an old version of Debian on a Raspberry Pi so I can run Netatalk 2.2 for my Mac SEs. Is there anything current that will support AppleTalk?
-- Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe."
I was asking more about what the latest version of Debian that can run Nettalk 2.2 was. Rich -- Rich Cini http://www.classiccmp.org/cini http://www.classiccmp.org/altair32 On 9/18/20, 10:00 AM, "vcf-midatlantic on behalf of Andrew Diller via vcf-midatlantic" <vcf-midatlantic-bounces@lists.vcfed.org on behalf of vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote: Are you are asking if there is a more recent Linux that will support netalk? Or are you asking if any recent OSX can access the netatalk shares in 2.x? I tend to think of AppleTalk on ethernet as Ethertalk, to disambiguate it from LocalTalk (which people may be using if they have a bridge). If you can keep everything on ethernet (i.e. you have a network card for all your macs so you can get them to a switch and a common network segment/subnet) I've found that even recent versions of OSX (10.10/Yosemite) can access a netatalk 2.x share via TCPIP and easily share files with older macs. The biggest issue is usually the form of the archive used and ensuring that the resource forks can be properly re-constructed. SIT files are the best to ensure this. I've also setup netatalk on a older laptop w/ Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (Lucid Lynx) and it works great for this transfer. being on an extra, older laptop I can just leave it till I need it again and even it's smallish HD is huge in comparison to the files for classic macs. -andy > On Sep 18, 2020, at 8:29 AM, Glenn Holmer via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > > > From: Glenn Holmer <cenbe@kolabnow.com> > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Moving files from an old 68k-Mac to an emulator or other machine > Date: September 18, 2020 at 8:29:51 AM EDT > To: vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org > > > On 9/17/20 6:13 PM, David Riley via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >> Actually, IMO, the best option is: if you can get an Ethernet card in >> the SE, you can run Netatalk 2.x on Linux or NetBSD (both still >> support AppleTalk, but netatalk 3.x does not). > I'm keeping an old version of Debian on a Raspberry Pi so I can run Netatalk 2.2 for my Mac SEs. Is there anything current that will support AppleTalk? > > -- > Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) > "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe." > >
Maybe I’ve missed someone else mentioning it, but I strongly suggest BMOW’s FloppyEMU, for archiving from vintage machines. That gives you disk images that you can directly use, in emulators. Obviously, it requires an external floppy port, to use easily, but you can connect one to an internal floppy port, as a fallback. I suspect everyone here is aware of this, but wanted to mention it. - Alex On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 10:27 Richard Cini via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
I was asking more about what the latest version of Debian that can run Nettalk 2.2 was.
Rich
--
Rich Cini
http://www.classiccmp.org/cini
http://www.classiccmp.org/altair32
On 9/18/20, 10:00 AM, "vcf-midatlantic on behalf of Andrew Diller via vcf-midatlantic" <vcf-midatlantic-bounces@lists.vcfed.org on behalf of vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
Are you are asking if there is a more recent Linux that will support netalk? Or are you asking if any recent OSX can access the netatalk shares in 2.x?
I tend to think of AppleTalk on ethernet as Ethertalk, to disambiguate it from LocalTalk (which people may be using if they have a bridge).
If you can keep everything on ethernet (i.e. you have a network card for all your macs so you can get them to a switch and a common network segment/subnet) I've found that even recent versions of OSX (10.10/Yosemite) can access a netatalk 2.x share via TCPIP and easily share files with older macs.
The biggest issue is usually the form of the archive used and ensuring that the resource forks can be properly re-constructed. SIT files are the best to ensure this.
I've also setup netatalk on a older laptop w/ Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (Lucid Lynx) and it works great for this transfer. being on an extra, older laptop I can just leave it till I need it again and even it's smallish HD is huge in comparison to the files for classic macs.
-andy
> On Sep 18, 2020, at 8:29 AM, Glenn Holmer via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
>
>
> From: Glenn Holmer <cenbe@kolabnow.com>
> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Moving files from an old 68k-Mac to an emulator or other machine
> Date: September 18, 2020 at 8:29:51 AM EDT
> To: vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org
>
>
> On 9/17/20 6:13 PM, David Riley via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
>> Actually, IMO, the best option is: if you can get an Ethernet card in
>> the SE, you can run Netatalk 2.x on Linux or NetBSD (both still
>> support AppleTalk, but netatalk 3.x does not).
> I'm keeping an old version of Debian on a Raspberry Pi so I can run Netatalk 2.2 for my Mac SEs. Is there anything current that will support AppleTalk?
>
> --
> Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682)
> "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe."
>
>
I had no idea that existed. So it’s like a GoTek but for the Mac. Absolutely awesome. Thanks for sharing the name. Rich http://www.classiccmp.org/cini Long Island S100 User’s Group Get Outlook<https://aka.ms/qtex0l> for iOS ________________________________ From: Alexander Jacocks <jjacocks@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 1:20:54 PM To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> Cc: Richard Cini <rich.cini@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Moving files from an old 68k-Mac to an emulator or other machine Maybe I’ve missed someone else mentioning it, but I strongly suggest BMOW’s FloppyEMU, for archiving from vintage machines. That gives you disk images that you can directly use, in emulators. Obviously, it requires an external floppy port, to use easily, but you can connect one to an internal floppy port, as a fallback. I suspect everyone here is aware of this, but wanted to mention it. - Alex On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 10:27 Richard Cini via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org<mailto:vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org>> wrote: I was asking more about what the latest version of Debian that can run Nettalk 2.2 was. Rich -- Rich Cini http://www.classiccmp.org/cini http://www.classiccmp.org/altair32 On 9/18/20, 10:00 AM, "vcf-midatlantic on behalf of Andrew Diller via vcf-midatlantic" <vcf-midatlantic-bounces@lists.vcfed.org<mailto:vcf-midatlantic-bounces@lists.vcfed.org> on behalf of vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org<mailto:vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org>> wrote: Are you are asking if there is a more recent Linux that will support netalk? Or are you asking if any recent OSX can access the netatalk shares in 2.x? I tend to think of AppleTalk on ethernet as Ethertalk, to disambiguate it from LocalTalk (which people may be using if they have a bridge). If you can keep everything on ethernet (i.e. you have a network card for all your macs so you can get them to a switch and a common network segment/subnet) I've found that even recent versions of OSX (10.10/Yosemite) can access a netatalk 2.x share via TCPIP and easily share files with older macs. The biggest issue is usually the form of the archive used and ensuring that the resource forks can be properly re-constructed. SIT files are the best to ensure this. I've also setup netatalk on a older laptop w/ Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (Lucid Lynx) and it works great for this transfer. being on an extra, older laptop I can just leave it till I need it again and even it's smallish HD is huge in comparison to the files for classic macs. -andy > On Sep 18, 2020, at 8:29 AM, Glenn Holmer via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org<mailto:vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org>> wrote: > > > From: Glenn Holmer <cenbe@kolabnow.com<mailto:cenbe@kolabnow.com>> > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Moving files from an old 68k-Mac to an emulator or other machine > Date: September 18, 2020 at 8:29:51 AM EDT > To: vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org<mailto:vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> > > > On 9/17/20 6:13 PM, David Riley via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >> Actually, IMO, the best option is: if you can get an Ethernet card in >> the SE, you can run Netatalk 2.x on Linux or NetBSD (both still >> support AppleTalk, but netatalk 3.x does not). > I'm keeping an old version of Debian on a Raspberry Pi so I can run Netatalk 2.2 for my Mac SEs. Is there anything current that will support AppleTalk? > > -- > Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) > "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe." > >
The floppy EMU is cool definately worth picking one up (for the earliest macs), there is also this for faster transfers (for Mac's that have the 25pin scsi)... https://store.inertialcomputing.com/product-p/scsi2sd-v5.5.htm <https://store.inertialcomputing.com/product-p/scsi2sd-v5.5.htm> I will note - sometimes the SCSI can be bad/flakey on systems w/ leaking caps. The Floppy port however almost always works. -andy
On Sep 18, 2020, at 1:35 PM, Richard Cini via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
I had no idea that existed. So it’s like a GoTek but for the Mac. Absolutely awesome. Thanks for sharing the name.
Rich
http://www.classiccmp.org/cini Long Island S100 User’s Group
Get Outlook<https://aka.ms/qtex0l> for iOS
________________________________ From: Alexander Jacocks <jjacocks@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 1:20:54 PM To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> Cc: Richard Cini <rich.cini@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Moving files from an old 68k-Mac to an emulator or other machine
Maybe I’ve missed someone else mentioning it, but I strongly suggest BMOW’s FloppyEMU, for archiving from vintage machines. That gives you disk images that you can directly use, in emulators. Obviously, it requires an external floppy port, to use easily, but you can connect one to an internal floppy port, as a fallback.
I suspect everyone here is aware of this, but wanted to mention it.
- Alex
I use the SCSI2SD for my PDP-11/23+ system. I boot RT-11 from an Emulex SCSI card. Great product too. http://www.classiccmp.org/cini Long Island S100 User’s Group Get Outlook<https://aka.ms/qtex0l> for iOS ________________________________ From: Andrew Diller <dillera@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 1:39:33 PM To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> Cc: J. Alexander Jacocks <jjacocks@gmail.com>; Richard Cini <rich.cini@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Moving files from an old 68k-Mac to an emulator or other machine The floppy EMU is cool definately worth picking one up (for the earliest macs), there is also this for faster transfers (for Mac's that have the 25pin scsi)... https://store.inertialcomputing.com/product-p/scsi2sd-v5.5.htm I will note - sometimes the SCSI can be bad/flakey on systems w/ leaking caps. The Floppy port however almost always works. -andy On Sep 18, 2020, at 1:35 PM, Richard Cini via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org<mailto:vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org>> wrote: I had no idea that existed. So it’s like a GoTek but for the Mac. Absolutely awesome. Thanks for sharing the name. Rich http://www.classiccmp.org/cini Long Island S100 User’s Group Get Outlook<https://aka.ms/qtex0l> for iOS ________________________________ From: Alexander Jacocks <jjacocks@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2020 1:20:54 PM To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic@lists.vcfed.org> Cc: Richard Cini <rich.cini@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Moving files from an old 68k-Mac to an emulator or other machine Maybe I’ve missed someone else mentioning it, but I strongly suggest BMOW’s FloppyEMU, for archiving from vintage machines. That gives you disk images that you can directly use, in emulators. Obviously, it requires an external floppy port, to use easily, but you can connect one to an internal floppy port, as a fallback. I suspect everyone here is aware of this, but wanted to mention it. - Alex
participants (3)
-
Alexander Jacocks -
Andrew Diller -
Richard Cini