[vcf-midatlantic] Running Windows 1.04 in emulation

Corey Cohen applecorey at optonline.net
Thu Apr 28 08:18:35 EDT 2016

> On Apr 27, 2016, at 8:36 PM, Rich Cini via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic at lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
> Bill -
> Thanks. If that's the case then it's an issue with how the Windows driver interacts with the virtual hardware as it doesn't work on any virtual setup I tried. One driver can be set for PS/2 and it finds the mouse but it's not captured. 
> I have a real DOS machine in the shop and I will try to do an install on real hardware to prove that out. I'd really like to get this working in a virtual machine so others can experience it. 
> Rich Cini
> Sent from my iPad
>> On Apr 27, 2016, at 10:04 PM, william degnan via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic at lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
>> The model 25 collegiate kit ran 1.04 on two 720k disks with a ps/2 mouse.
>> Bill Degnan
>> twitter: billdeg
>> vintagecomputer.net
>> On Apr 27, 2016 9:35 PM, "Richard Cini via vcf-midatlantic" <
>> vcf-midatlantic at lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
>>> All —
>>> I’m progressing well with the Windows 1.04 SDK -- I’ve gotten all of the
>>> binders and books scanned. The software is fully captured and I’m trying to
>>> create a “build environment” for this as a demo.
>>> I’ve tried to get Windows to work properly in various combinations of
>>> virtual environments with limited success. I’ve used Parallels on the Mac,
>>> VirtualBox on the Mac and PC, Bochs on the PC and Microsoft Virtual PC on
>>> the PC. I have a complete log of my findings if anyone’s interested.
>>> Only Parallels on the Mac worked completely. On Microsoft VirtualPC under
>>> Windows 7, it almost worked, but button clicks didn’t register. Bochs was
>>> the worst performer.
>>> Most of the issues have to do with capturing the mouse — Windows 1
>>> predated PS/2 mice so a mouse has to be mapped to the virtual COM port or
>>> the InPort bus interface, which the virtualizations seemingly do with
>>> limited success and not at all, respectively. Some had problems with MSDOS
>>> 3.31 diskette images or 32MB virtual hard drives (the limit for DOS 3.31).
>>> Others had issues booting Windows under DOS 5.
>>> Has anyone successfully gotten Windows 1 to work within any virtual
>>> environment with working mouse support? If so, what was the exact software
>>> configuration so that I can replicate it here?
>>> Thanks!
>>> Rich
>>> --
>>> Rich Cini
>>> http://www.classiccmp.org/cini
>>> http://www.classiccmp.org/altair32

I had Windows 1.04 running in emulation in on MacBook Air.   The problem was the mouse driver.  If I recall I used dosbox in PCjr mode and mapped the serial driver to a serial usb converter and used my green eye Microsoft mouse when I was sorting out how to run it on my PCjr for VCF east last year.  

BTW I know you can use the driver from Windows 2.0 to add ps/2 mouse support to use the mouse support dosbox.  I assume you want to do it differently.   


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