[vcf-midatlantic] Great vintage computer article.

Drew Notarnicola drew.notarnicola at gmail.com
Wed Apr 19 13:36:45 EDT 2017


We live in New Jersey.  If there's a natural disaster that affects your
servers, your IT department can't necessarily do anything about that.  If
you have servers in Arizona instead, you don't have to worry.

On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic <
vcf-midatlantic at lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:

>
>   Agreed 100%.
>
>   In network administration, having mostly gotten my start in a gov't
> agency, where loss of control of data directly and literally impacts
> national security, I operate from a slightly different philosophy.  I am
> very distrustful of external entities, and a bit of a control freak as a
> result.  Whether that philosophy or a different one is right for your
> organization is something only you can decide.
>
>   If the typical internal IT department can't provide great services, then
> they are understaffed, inappropriately staffed, or underfunded. Yes, that's
> an idealistic view in this world of "every dime must go toward executive
> compensation".  But I don't lose data. ;)
>
>              -Dave
>
>
> On 04/19/2017 01:19 PM, Dean Notarnicola via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
>
>> Dave,
>> My argument with "It's just someone else's computer" isn't with that it's
>> someone else's computer; of course it is. I know you know this, but the
>> misconception is that cloud is no better than a simple co-lo or hosted
>> service (until recently, many offerings were no better than that.) There
>> needs to be elastic, redundant, geographically diverse resources that are
>> tied together to provide fast, transparent access to services. And as I
>> previously mentioned, any good strategy goes beyond using a single
>> provider, because shit happens. This goes beyond simple money saving
>> excercies (most good cloud deployments DO NOT save money) or resource
>> constraints, it's about being able to procure a class of service that
>> would
>> normally be beyond the reach of typical internal IT department.
>>
>> Dean
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic <
>> vcf-midatlantic at lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote:
>>
>> On 04/19/2017 11:58 AM, Dean Notarnicola via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
>>>
>>> I have to agree with Bill. Given the proper use case, cloud (true cloud,
>>>> which is not just "someone else's computer", a common misconception) can
>>>> be
>>>> an advantage. Moving some of our compute and storage resources to the
>>>> cloud
>>>> allows us more agility to react to changes and liberates our limited IT
>>>> resources to engage in higher value strategic work.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>   It is in fact "someone else's computer".
>>>
>>>   Dean, please don't make the mistake of assuming that, because I don't
>>> use "cloud" services, that I don't know what they are or how they work.
>>> I'm
>>> somewhat embarrassed to say that I was directly involved in some of the
>>> earliest such efforts in the 1990s, and I'm not exactly out of touch
>>> today.
>>>
>>>   So, in your definition of "true cloud", who exactly owns the computers?
>>> If your answer isn't "me" or "our company", then my assertion stands.
>>>
>>>   Based on my (admittedly somewhat combative) reply to Bill, I'd say the
>>> problem your company has addressed by using cloud services wasn't a lack
>>> of
>>> agility or lack of services, but lack of sufficient IT staff.
>>>
>>>   I wish you the best of luck with those services, but I think we both
>>> know what'll happen when one of them goes tits-up without warning.
>>>
>>>
>>>               -Dave
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
>>> New Kensington, PA
>>>
>>>
>
> --
> Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
> New Kensington, PA
>



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