[vcf-midatlantic] VMS Manuals (v 4 I believe)
Bill Degnan
billdegnan at gmail.com
Tue Nov 27 12:14:00 EST 2018
Message: 5
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 19:11:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: VAXman at tmesis.org
To: vcf-midatlantic at lists.vcfed.org
Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] VMS Manuals (v 4 I believe)
Message-ID: <18112620112414_223C1054 at tmesis.com>
Bill Degnan via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic at lists.vcfed.org>
writes:
>
>>Anyone from Baltimore going to Festivus want to pick up some VMS
>>manuals, they're going to be trashed if not taken. Contact me for
>>details. Downtown Baltimore location. Not mine, they're Fran's (lady
>>linux's) manuals. Bill
> Orange tomes?
I believe so, yes.
B
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> 1. OT: Modern keyboard question (Herb Johnson)
> 2. Re: OT: Modern keyboard question (Herb Johnson)
> 3. VMS Manuals (v 4 I believe) (Bill Degnan)
> 4. Anyone going to Festivus want a bunch of C++ and Microsoft
> TCPIP books (corey cohen)
> 5. Re: VMS Manuals (v 4 I believe) (VAXman at tmesis.org)
> 6. OT: Festivus Apple Wants (Tony Bogan)
> 7. Re: OT: Modern keyboard question (David Riley)
> 8. Re: OT: Modern keyboard question (jakari)
> 9. Re: OT: Modern keyboard question (Andy Diller)
> 10. Re: OT: Modern keyboard question (Thomas Fuchs)
> 11. Re: OT: Modern keyboard question (Evan Koblentz)
> 12. Re: OT: Modern keyboard question (Tony Bogan)
> 13. Re: OT: Modern keyboard question (Jameel Akari)
> 14. Re: OT: Modern keyboard question (Jason Perkins)
> 15. Items to bring at Festivus (Herb Johnson)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 13:44:30 -0500
> From: Herb Johnson <hjohnson at retrotechnology.info>
> To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic at lists.vcfed.org>
> Subject: [vcf-midatlantic] OT: Modern keyboard question
> Message-ID:
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> > I'm also more of an Alps fan; my daily [desktop keybord] is an Apple
> Extended Keyboard II through an iMate ADB->USB adaptor.
>
> Since I sell ADB keyboards, this phrase caught my eye. Let's see what
> such adapters are about, these days. I presume 1) none are in current
> commercial production but 2) there's some hobby projects old and new
> about it. And I found I was likely right.
>
> "ADB to USB Connector Adapter" on that auction site, shows Griffin
> imate, AlphaSmart as apparently old brands, resale price $70-$100+; and
> maybe "Wombat" as some hobby class product at $59-$79.
>
> A Web search seems to zero in on a hobby project apparently called
> "tmk". Further searching and hopping about the Web, reveals some person
> calling themself "tmk", in Japan. There's some kind of code to run on
> microcontroller chips like Atmel AVR and Cortex-M; on some kind of
> hardware design (not physically complicated, interfaces and a MPU chip I
> imagine). The trail I was able to find amounts to:
>
> https://github.com/tmk/
> https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=14290.0
> http://www.tmk-kbd.com/tmk_keyboard/editor/
>
> Without a lecture from an old-guy; it's mostly a club around someone's
> microcontroller board for specific purposes. You have to join the
> conversation to figure out what you get, how to make it useful, see
> what's available now. All code is on github. The "sales" page seems to
> be an updated post in a keyboard discussion group (geekhack). More
> information is in various discussions.
>
> I don't think much of this kind of hobby-product-support, to be honest.
> I understand, this is how such things are done today.
>
> And of course - I may be wrong about "tmk" being a particularly popular
> old keyboard to USB solution. All I did was search the web cold, and see
> what Google came up with first. I'm not "in the club", so I know
> nothing. Maybe someone in that club, or another club, can reference
> other work.
>
> This is marginally within vintage-computing: this is about reuse of
> vintage tech. That's a fact: I sell ADB keyboards for current use, or
> disassembly, all the time.
>
> Otherwise I posted here what I found, to save my other know-nothing
> friends some of the time I spent on this subject this afternoon. Hope
> this is informative.
>
> Herb "click-clack" Johnson
>
> --
> Herbert R. Johnson, New Jersey in the USA
> http://www.retrotechnology.com OR .net
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 14:22:57 -0500
> From: Herb Johnson <hjohnson at retrotechnology.info>
> To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic at lists.vcfed.org>
> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] OT: Modern keyboard question
> Message-ID:
> <63e1dcef-9976-59e0-20ff-73ece5720dd4 at retrotechnology.info>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> > so never buy a AEK II that looks too used (if it?s yellowed, it was
> > probably used a lot, if it?s still white someone stored it away.)
>
> If some Mac item is yellowed, that's merely evidence it was exposed to
> light, and possibly heat. UV light (sunlight, old fluorescent) would
> accelerate yellowing. And of course in this case, the keyboard case may
> not be original to the keyboard PC board; or have been "retrobrited"
> which I never do.
>
> Other visual evidence may support use or other conditions, like "dirt"
> as described. I leave that evidence for discussion by more serious
> students of keyboards.
>
> So: is there a test whereby I can tap on some AEK II keyboard and tell
> someone "for X reasons I conclude this decades-old white keyboard was
> lightly used?" Or the converse, "for X reasons I conclude this keyboard
> is too worn for daily use)? I doubt impressions can be factualized; so I
> would not likely make such statements myself.
>
> I think this is still near-topic; still old keyboards in play. It's a
> thing! Google says so! ;)
>
> Herb
>
>
> --
> Herbert R. Johnson, New Jersey in the USA
> http://www.retrotechnology.com OR .net
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 15:08:20 -0500
> From: Bill Degnan <billdegnan at gmail.com>
> To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic at lists.vcfed.org>
> Subject: [vcf-midatlantic] VMS Manuals (v 4 I believe)
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> Anyone from Baltimore going to Festivus want to pick up some VMS manuals,
> they're going to be trashed if not taken. Contact me for details.
> Downtown Baltimore location. Not mine, they're Fran's (lady linux's)
> manuals.
> Bill
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 16:45:42 -0500
> From: corey cohen <coreyvcf at gmail.com>
> To: vcf-midatlantic at lists.vcfed.org
> Subject: [vcf-midatlantic] Anyone going to Festivus want a bunch of
> C++ and Microsoft TCPIP books
> Message-ID: <C092AF31-51D9-4A21-966E-5F15A1713F8E at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> I am cleaning out my shelfs to make more room for projects and don?t want
> these vintage 1990?s C++ books to go to waste. I even have the full Visual
> C++ manual books.
>
> I also have a bunch of PC assembly language books from the late 80?s if
> anyone is interested, I?m keeping my pink shirt Norton ?do the nasty? book,
> every hacker should have one.
>
> Thanks,
> Cheers,
> Corey
>
> corey cohen
> u??o? ???o?
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 19:11:24 -0400 (EDT)
> From: VAXman at tmesis.org
> To: vcf-midatlantic at lists.vcfed.org
> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] VMS Manuals (v 4 I believe)
> Message-ID: <18112620112414_223C1054 at tmesis.com>
>
> Bill Degnan via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic at lists.vcfed.org>
> writes:
> >
> >Anyone from Baltimore going to Festivus want to pick up some VMS
> >manuals, they're going to be trashed if not taken. Contact me for
> >details. Downtown Baltimore location. Not mine, they're Fran's (lady
> >linux's) manuals. Bill
>
> Orange tomes?
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 19:42:05 -0500
> From: Tony Bogan <thebogans at mac.com>
> To: vcf-midatlantic at lists.vcfed.org
> Subject: OT: Festivus Apple Wants
> Message-ID: <3E6A45A5-C3E8-497F-8D20-4A2029FA22D8 at mac.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Spent the past month having to move into multiple new storage units (a
> blessing in disguise as I was far more disorganized than I thought I was!!)
>
> I?m already bringing a couple Macintosh IIci?s for Herb and the iic I was
> working on for Eric Rangell, so I figured I?d see if anyone has any
> specific Apple II/compact Mac requests. I?ve got quite a few books and
> manuals in triples and quadruples, many unworking machines (both apple ii+
> & Apple iie as well as Mac Plus & SE) that I just haven?t had the time to
> work on yet. Plus I?ve got quite a few accessories and literally hundreds
> of cards for the II series. If anyone is looking for a project machine
> (unworking) or a working one, plus any accessories let me know. If I have
> it I?ll bring it and we can figure out a price if any. Some things are for
> the taking to give me room to move!! :-)
>
> Books and manuals I?ve got in spades so ask away! (Off list might be less
> cumbersome!)
>
> Tony
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 22:59:53 -0500
> From: David Riley <fraveydank at gmail.com>
> To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic at lists.vcfed.org>
> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] OT: Modern keyboard question
> Message-ID: <1A8D2699-ACE8-4718-B5A1-F53A5221C2AD at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Interesting feedback. It?s been many years since I looked up the price of
> iMates... when I got mine, they were out of production but still only $20
> on eBay. Sorry to see they?re so expensive now.
>
> In any case, the ADB protocol isn?t overly difficult to implement with a
> microcontroller; after all, it was designed to be implemented on a
> 6800-series micro at 1 MHz (granted, that one wasn?t doing much else).
> There are a load of app notes from Microchip detailing some implementation
> specifics, many of which are portable. I?d be happy to point anyone
> interested at the various resources available.
>
> - Dave
>
>
> On Nov 26, 2018, at 13:44, Herb Johnson via vcf-midatlantic <
> vcf-midatlantic at lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
>
> >> I'm also more of an Alps fan; my daily [desktop keybord] is an Apple
> Extended Keyboard II through an iMate ADB->USB adaptor.
> >
> > Since I sell ADB keyboards, this phrase caught my eye. Let's see what
> such adapters are about, these days. I presume 1) none are in current
> commercial production but 2) there's some hobby projects old and new about
> it. And I found I was likely right.
> >
> > "ADB to USB Connector Adapter" on that auction site, shows Griffin
> imate, AlphaSmart as apparently old brands, resale price $70-$100+; and
> maybe "Wombat" as some hobby class product at $59-$79.
> >
> > A Web search seems to zero in on a hobby project apparently called
> "tmk". Further searching and hopping about the Web, reveals some person
> calling themself "tmk", in Japan. There's some kind of code to run on
> microcontroller chips like Atmel AVR and Cortex-M; on some kind of hardware
> design (not physically complicated, interfaces and a MPU chip I imagine).
> The trail I was able to find amounts to:
> >
> > https://github.com/tmk/
> > https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=14290.0
> > http://www.tmk-kbd.com/tmk_keyboard/editor/
> >
> > Without a lecture from an old-guy; it's mostly a club around someone's
> microcontroller board for specific purposes. You have to join the
> conversation to figure out what you get, how to make it useful, see what's
> available now. All code is on github. The "sales" page seems to be an
> updated post in a keyboard discussion group (geekhack). More information is
> in various discussions.
> >
> > I don't think much of this kind of hobby-product-support, to be honest.
> I understand, this is how such things are done today.
> >
> > And of course - I may be wrong about "tmk" being a particularly popular
> old keyboard to USB solution. All I did was search the web cold, and see
> what Google came up with first. I'm not "in the club", so I know nothing.
> Maybe someone in that club, or another club, can reference other work.
> >
> > This is marginally within vintage-computing: this is about reuse of
> vintage tech. That's a fact: I sell ADB keyboards for current use, or
> disassembly, all the time.
> >
> > Otherwise I posted here what I found, to save my other know-nothing
> friends some of the time I spent on this subject this afternoon. Hope this
> is informative.
> >
> > Herb "click-clack" Johnson
> >
> > --
> > Herbert R. Johnson, New Jersey in the USA
> > http://www.retrotechnology.com OR .net
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 00:34:50 -0500
> From: jakari <jakari at bithose.com>
> To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic at lists.vcfed.org>
> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] OT: Modern keyboard question
> Message-ID: <8e18a30077eae649f26069e91d61848b at zed.bithose.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> On 2018-11-26 22:59, David Riley via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
> > Interesting feedback. It?s been many years since I looked up the price
> > of iMates... when I got mine, they were out of production but still
> > only $20 on eBay. Sorry to see they?re so expensive now.
>
> Yeah, I was shocked to see that as well. At $oldjob^4 we threw out
> probably a dozen of them. :(
>
> >
> >
> > On Nov 26, 2018, at 13:44, Herb Johnson via vcf-midatlantic
> > <vcf-midatlantic at lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
> >
> >> "ADB to USB Connector Adapter" on that auction site, shows Griffin
> >> imate, AlphaSmart as apparently old brands, resale price $70-$100+;
> >> and maybe "Wombat" as some hobby class product at $59-$79.
>
> Inspired by this thread, I just ordered one of the Wombats. Made by the
> same guy who does the Floppy Emu. I'm ok with gambling $49+S&H on
> something that'll probably work just fine. I do want to "daily drive"
> some of my old Apple keyboards like the AEK II and see what I really
> think of them. Assuming it'll fit on my keyboard tray side by side with
> the modern Magic Trackpad.
>
> --
> Jameel Akari
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 09:06:23 -0500
> From: Andy Diller <dillera at gmail.com>
> To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic at lists.vcfed.org>
> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] OT: Modern keyboard question
> Message-ID: <BBD91DBB-1F48-4B7C-9E73-60E33DB12842 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> I use the wombat on my se/30 for the opposite- I like the laptop style usb
> white keyboards from Apple. The wombat works great. I have a modern usb
> keyboard and mouse and don't have to deal with expensive and flaky adb
> devices anymore.
>
> http://dillernet.com/apple/2017/10/04/usb-for-adb-macintosh/
>
>
>
>
> - andy diller
>
>
> > On Nov 27, 2018, at 12:34 AM, jakari via vcf-midatlantic <
> vcf-midatlantic at lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2018-11-26 22:59, David Riley via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
> >> Interesting feedback. It?s been many years since I looked up the price
> >> of iMates... when I got mine, they were out of production but still
> >> only $20 on eBay. Sorry to see they?re so expensive now.
> >
> > Yeah, I was shocked to see that as well. At $oldjob^4 we threw out
> probably a dozen of them. :(
> >
> >> On Nov 26, 2018, at 13:44, Herb Johnson via vcf-midatlantic
> >> <vcf-midatlantic at lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
> >>> "ADB to USB Connector Adapter" on that auction site, shows Griffin
> imate, AlphaSmart as apparently old brands, resale price $70-$100+; and
> maybe "Wombat" as some hobby class product at $59-$79.
> >
> > Inspired by this thread, I just ordered one of the Wombats. Made by the
> same guy who does the Floppy Emu. I'm ok with gambling $49+S&H on
> something that'll probably work just fine. I do want to "daily drive" some
> of my old Apple keyboards like the AEK II and see what I really think of
> them. Assuming it'll fit on my keyboard tray side by side with the modern
> Magic Trackpad.
> >
> > --
> > Jameel Akari
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 09:19:43 -0500
> From: Thomas Fuchs <thomas at slash7.com>
> To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic at lists.vcfed.org>
> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] OT: Modern keyboard question
> Message-ID: <6CEF96F5-DD4E-4E99-9E55-BE821BF103BD at slash7.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Wombat works great for me, using AEK II on a modern Mac.
>
> > On Nov 27, 2018, at 12:34 AM, jakari via vcf-midatlantic <
> vcf-midatlantic at lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
> >
> > On 2018-11-26 22:59, David Riley via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
> >> Interesting feedback. It?s been many years since I looked up the price
> >> of iMates... when I got mine, they were out of production but still
> >> only $20 on eBay. Sorry to see they?re so expensive now.
> >
> > Yeah, I was shocked to see that as well. At $oldjob^4 we threw out
> probably a dozen of them. :(
> >
> >> On Nov 26, 2018, at 13:44, Herb Johnson via vcf-midatlantic
> >> <vcf-midatlantic at lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
> >>> "ADB to USB Connector Adapter" on that auction site, shows Griffin
> imate, AlphaSmart as apparently old brands, resale price $70-$100+; and
> maybe "Wombat" as some hobby class product at $59-$79.
> >
> > Inspired by this thread, I just ordered one of the Wombats. Made by the
> same guy who does the Floppy Emu. I'm ok with gambling $49+S&H on
> something that'll probably work just fine. I do want to "daily drive" some
> of my old Apple keyboards like the AEK II and see what I really think of
> them. Assuming it'll fit on my keyboard tray side by side with the modern
> Magic Trackpad.
> >
> > --
> > Jameel Akari
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 09:20:57 -0500
> From: Evan Koblentz <evan at vcfed.org>
> To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic at lists.vcfed.org>
> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] OT: Modern keyboard question
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> >> I use the wombat on my se/30 ... - andy diller
>
> Welcome to the list.
>
> Please introduce yourself, per our tradition: how did you find us, what's
> your background/interest in vintage computing, where do you live, etc.
>
> We already have to other Andy(s) here, so please keep using yiur surname in
> email signatures or at least out Andy D. so we don't confuse you with Andy
> Meyer or Andy Molloy.
>
> Thanks,
> - Evan K. (List Dad)
>
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018, 9:16 AM Andy Diller via vcf-midatlantic <
> vcf-midatlantic at lists.vcfed.org wrote:
>
> > I use the wombat on my se/30 for the opposite- I like the laptop style
> usb
> > white keyboards from Apple. The wombat works great. I have a modern usb
> > keyboard and mouse and don't have to deal with expensive and flaky adb
> > devices anymore.
> >
> > http://dillernet.com/apple/2017/10/04/usb-for-adb-macintosh/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > - andy diller
> >
> >
> > > On Nov 27, 2018, at 12:34 AM, jakari via vcf-midatlantic <
> > vcf-midatlantic at lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >> On 2018-11-26 22:59, David Riley via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
> > >> Interesting feedback. It?s been many years since I looked up the price
> > >> of iMates... when I got mine, they were out of production but still
> > >> only $20 on eBay. Sorry to see they?re so expensive now.
> > >
> > > Yeah, I was shocked to see that as well. At $oldjob^4 we threw out
> > probably a dozen of them. :(
> > >
> > >> On Nov 26, 2018, at 13:44, Herb Johnson via vcf-midatlantic
> > >> <vcf-midatlantic at lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
> > >>> "ADB to USB Connector Adapter" on that auction site, shows Griffin
> > imate, AlphaSmart as apparently old brands, resale price $70-$100+; and
> > maybe "Wombat" as some hobby class product at $59-$79.
> > >
> > > Inspired by this thread, I just ordered one of the Wombats. Made by
> the
> > same guy who does the Floppy Emu. I'm ok with gambling $49+S&H on
> > something that'll probably work just fine. I do want to "daily drive"
> some
> > of my old Apple keyboards like the AEK II and see what I really think of
> > them. Assuming it'll fit on my keyboard tray side by side with the
> modern
> > Magic Trackpad.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jameel Akari
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 09:35:39 -0500
> From: Tony Bogan <thebogans at mac.com>
> To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic at lists.vcfed.org>
> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] OT: Modern keyboard question
> Message-ID: <C00EA364-463E-4977-82FE-474E98FC133A at mac.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> I too use the wombat, in both directions. However, I primarily use it with
> a usb rollup keyboard I bring with me when testing systems I?m picking up
> (many are sold sans keyboard and mouse, many others the keyboards don?t
> work!) or when troubleshooting systems on my workbench when the machines
> are in pieces and I?m cobbling together a working one from multiple
> machines. I can roll the keyboard out of my way easier than finding a spot
> for the big AEKII each time I disconnect it!
>
> But I too am a fan of the magic keyboard, both the extended and standard.
> (Mainly the extended)
>
> I love the iigs keyboard and the early AEKII as well, so those are the
> primary adb ones I
> Use on most all machines when using ADB.
>
> Tony
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Nov 27, 2018, at 9:06 AM, Andy Diller via vcf-midatlantic <
> vcf-midatlantic at lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
> >
> > I use the wombat on my se/30 for the opposite- I like the laptop style
> usb white keyboards from Apple. The wombat works great. I have a modern usb
> keyboard and mouse and don't have to deal with expensive and flaky adb
> devices anymore.
> >
> > http://dillernet.com/apple/2017/10/04/usb-for-adb-macintosh/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > - andy diller
> >
> >
> >>> On Nov 27, 2018, at 12:34 AM, jakari via vcf-midatlantic <
> vcf-midatlantic at lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 2018-11-26 22:59, David Riley via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
> >>> Interesting feedback. It?s been many years since I looked up the price
> >>> of iMates... when I got mine, they were out of production but still
> >>> only $20 on eBay. Sorry to see they?re so expensive now.
> >>
> >> Yeah, I was shocked to see that as well. At $oldjob^4 we threw out
> probably a dozen of them. :(
> >>
> >>> On Nov 26, 2018, at 13:44, Herb Johnson via vcf-midatlantic
> >>> <vcf-midatlantic at lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
> >>>> "ADB to USB Connector Adapter" on that auction site, shows Griffin
> imate, AlphaSmart as apparently old brands, resale price $70-$100+; and
> maybe "Wombat" as some hobby class product at $59-$79.
> >>
> >> Inspired by this thread, I just ordered one of the Wombats. Made by
> the same guy who does the Floppy Emu. I'm ok with gambling $49+S&H on
> something that'll probably work just fine. I do want to "daily drive" some
> of my old Apple keyboards like the AEK II and see what I really think of
> them. Assuming it'll fit on my keyboard tray side by side with the modern
> Magic Trackpad.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jameel Akari
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 09:45:11 -0500
> From: Jameel Akari <jakari at bithose.com>
> To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic at lists.vcfed.org>
> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] OT: Modern keyboard question
> Message-ID: <570361d53e3322d62d97dcf48324346f at zed.bithose.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> On 2018-11-27 09:19, Thomas Fuchs via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
> > Wombat works great for me, using AEK II on a modern Mac.
> >
>
> Good to know, looking forward to it!
>
>
> And yeah, I might get a second one later, to hook up USB keyboards and
> mice to older Macs. Both directions are useful.
>
> I've enjoyed at least the concept of using vintage keyboards on new
> machines, in part because of the original topic here -- it's exhausting
> reading through all the reviews around various keyswitches and keycaps
> and LEDs and whatever.
>
> Might be time to bring my Type M to work again...
>
>
> --
> Jameel Akari
>
>
> >> On Nov 27, 2018, at 12:34 AM, jakari via vcf-midatlantic
> >> <vcf-midatlantic at lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 2018-11-26 22:59, David Riley via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
> >>> Interesting feedback. It?s been many years since I looked up the
> >>> price
> >>> of iMates... when I got mine, they were out of production but still
> >>> only $20 on eBay. Sorry to see they?re so expensive now.
> >>
> >> Yeah, I was shocked to see that as well. At $oldjob^4 we threw out
> >> probably a dozen of them. :(
> >>
> >>> On Nov 26, 2018, at 13:44, Herb Johnson via vcf-midatlantic
> >>> <vcf-midatlantic at lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
> >>>> "ADB to USB Connector Adapter" on that auction site, shows Griffin
> >>>> imate, AlphaSmart as apparently old brands, resale price $70-$100+;
> >>>> and maybe "Wombat" as some hobby class product at $59-$79.
> >>
> >> Inspired by this thread, I just ordered one of the Wombats. Made by
> >> the same guy who does the Floppy Emu. I'm ok with gambling $49+S&H on
> >> something that'll probably work just fine. I do want to "daily drive"
> >> some of my old Apple keyboards like the AEK II and see what I really
> >> think of them. Assuming it'll fit on my keyboard tray side by side
> >> with the modern Magic Trackpad.
> >>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 09:54:59 -0500
> From: Jason Perkins <perkins.jason at gmail.com>
> To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic at lists.vcfed.org>
> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] OT: Modern keyboard question
> Message-ID:
> <CA+8Y7qK-_=
> Za3dVak0ECGWHQVsf4xA6JWro6mvaLbMOenWzkUA at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> I always used the Griffen adapter. I have 2, both work well. Though they
> do, occasionally, drop a keystroke.
>
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 9:51 AM Jameel Akari via vcf-midatlantic <
> vcf-midatlantic at lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
>
> > On 2018-11-27 09:19, Thomas Fuchs via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
> > > Wombat works great for me, using AEK II on a modern Mac.
> > >
> >
> > Good to know, looking forward to it!
> >
> >
> > And yeah, I might get a second one later, to hook up USB keyboards and
> > mice to older Macs. Both directions are useful.
> >
> > I've enjoyed at least the concept of using vintage keyboards on new
> > machines, in part because of the original topic here -- it's exhausting
> > reading through all the reviews around various keyswitches and keycaps
> > and LEDs and whatever.
> >
> > Might be time to bring my Type M to work again...
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jameel Akari
> >
> >
> > >> On Nov 27, 2018, at 12:34 AM, jakari via vcf-midatlantic
> > >> <vcf-midatlantic at lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On 2018-11-26 22:59, David Riley via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
> > >>> Interesting feedback. It?s been many years since I looked up the
> > >>> price
> > >>> of iMates... when I got mine, they were out of production but still
> > >>> only $20 on eBay. Sorry to see they?re so expensive now.
> > >>
> > >> Yeah, I was shocked to see that as well. At $oldjob^4 we threw out
> > >> probably a dozen of them. :(
> > >>
> > >>> On Nov 26, 2018, at 13:44, Herb Johnson via vcf-midatlantic
> > >>> <vcf-midatlantic at lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
> > >>>> "ADB to USB Connector Adapter" on that auction site, shows Griffin
> > >>>> imate, AlphaSmart as apparently old brands, resale price $70-$100+;
> > >>>> and maybe "Wombat" as some hobby class product at $59-$79.
> > >>
> > >> Inspired by this thread, I just ordered one of the Wombats. Made by
> > >> the same guy who does the Floppy Emu. I'm ok with gambling $49+S&H on
> > >> something that'll probably work just fine. I do want to "daily drive"
> > >> some of my old Apple keyboards like the AEK II and see what I really
> > >> think of them. Assuming it'll fit on my keyboard tray side by side
> > >> with the modern Magic Trackpad.
> > >>
> >
> >
>
> --
> Jason Perkins
> 313 355 0085
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 11:24:01 -0500
> From: Herb Johnson <hjohnson at retrotechnology.info>
> To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic at lists.vcfed.org>
> Subject: [vcf-midatlantic] Items to bring at Festivus
> Message-ID:
> <fca5c508-687f-b67c-79a4-221a1c4238a6 at retrotechnology.info>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> Another thread talked about "modern" Mac keyboards (ADB) and converters
> to USB. That reminds me: I have several each of some relatively-old USB
> keyboards for the 90's Macs. M7803 Pro keyboard (mostly aqua some black)
> and M2452 Translucent models. Also the MacAlly ikey equivalent model,
> the same but more brick-like.
>
> I can bring a few boxes of these and ask $5 a pop your choice; then see
> what's left. But if no one says they are interested, I won't bother (or
> just bring a few better keyboards instead). No mice for $5 but I have a
> few. I do sell this stuff otherwise, check my Web site.
>
> I have some Byte, Kilobaud and Dr Dobbs magazines too. Early years (but
> not the first year in mint condition, OK?) Not sure about bringing these
> at a "dollar each maybe" level, give me more incentive please, privately
> so we don't clutter the list.
>
> But a lot of people are bringing stuff; FCFed will have stuff too. I'm
> reluctant to bring low-value items into a crowded room. Let me know
> privately.
>
> Herb Johnson
> --
> Herbert R. Johnson, New Jersey in the USA
> http://www.retrotechnology.com OR .net
>
>
>
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