[vcf-midatlantic] Snipe-It

Jason Howe jason at smbfc.net
Fri Nov 30 00:20:19 EST 2018

I've started referring to myself as the "Lead On-Prem Evangelist" at work.

When I'm finally reduced to a Cloud Panel Operator is when I'll be out 
of this business -- I have a looong way to go till retirement -- I hope 
the tide holds until then.   In all likely hood, we're already seeing a 
new evolution, with "Edge Clouds" -- because, and here's a shock -- 
latency sucks and moving large hunks of data over the public 'net 1/2 
way across the country is slow!

In all seriousness, for a business where one dollar spent on compute can 
be tied back to some dollar amount greater than one in revenue, it can 
make sense.   In research and learning environments the main things the 
cloud offers are budgeting headaches, expense and administrative 
overhead.   We use external hosting and "cloud" providers sparingly and 
strategically -- where is gets us something we either can't or are 
unwilling to do ourselves, you know, where it makes sense for us.   This 
seems like the minimum of care of any business should approach their 
infrastructure with.  Sadly, many seem to regard outsourcing the works 
as new hotness that will Solve All Our Problems (tm).


On 11/29/18 8:40 PM, W2HX via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
> I dunno, Dave. Some pretty damn big companies like Netflix, AirBNB, Atlassian,  et. al., all seem to think its the right thing to use someone else's toothbrush. Fact is, thousands of companies use AWS. Almost 100% of start ups, my own included, with tens of millions of investment  use cloud systems (aws and azure - another toothbrush, not our own)  all seem to think it is a better idea to use someone else's toothbrush rather than using their own.
> As a CTO myself with 39 years in IT, if I were to go on a job interview and insist that purchasing, depreciating, maintaining and staffing my own data center (24x7) was a better idea than using a cloud infrastructure (because that would be stupid), I don't think that would be a winning interview 9 times out of 10.
> I dunno. Hard to swim against the tide on this one but YMMV.
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> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Snipe-It
> On 11/29/18 9:42 PM, Andrew Diller wrote:
>>>>> Like a "cloud" server, for example.
>>>> I know it's your favorite pasttime to make fun of that idea,
>>>   Yes, because it's stupid.  (sorry, no offense intended!)
>> https://www.ceos3c.com/cloud/how-to-install-snipeit-on-ubuntu-16-04-on-aws-free-tier/
>> AWS is not going anywhere- case in point, a huge portion of the companies I work for services are now run on AWS.
>    Same here.  Don't make the mistake of assuming my opinion is based on
> a lack of experience with AWS.
>> I believe AWS is a perfectly acceptable choice for hosting something like this, esp in their free tier :)
>    What "these kids today" don't seem to get is that it's "someone else's
> computer".  In my world, that's about as reasonable as using someone
> else's toothbrush.  I've had to mop up the remains of too many companies
> who depended on outside services like that.  Amazon or not, I won't
> trust them.  End of story.
>    Ror this organization, it's not my decision to make; I can only offer
> advice based on my professional experience.  I lead horses to water...If
> they don't drink, I'm here to help if it blows up.
>               -Dave
> --
> Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
> New Kensington, PA

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