[vcf-midatlantic] Xerox Wildflowers - Dandelions and Daybreaks

Dean Notarnicola dnotarnicola at gmail.com
Mon Aug 17 10:42:34 EDT 2020


Xerox’s fatal flaw was underestimating the low-end business and consumer
markets, something Apple quickly took advantage of.

On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 10:40 AM Andrew Diller via vcf-midatlantic <
vcf-midatlantic at lists.vcfed.org> wrote:

> As I learn more about these systems and start to see them working, it's
> hard not to realize the folly Xerox engaged in here. They had not 1, not 2,
> but 3 entire hardware generations of systems (Alto->Dandelion->Daybreak) to
> refine the desktop and GUI application suite concept.
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> The _owned_ the copier / laser printer market- and could do anything they
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> They invented ethernet and had the whole interconnected network/office lan
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> And then they let Apple come in... and with later help from Canon
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> Xerox had completely invented, refined deployed and had working (eating
> their own dog food) for years.
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> It's just astonishing when you consider the possibilities that Xerox had
> in 1983-86 and just completely punted on.
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> > On Aug 17, 2020, at 10:26 AM, Dean Notarnicola <
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> > Legend says Star, but Corey or Tony May have better info
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> > On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 10:13 AM Andrew Diller via vcf-midatlantic <
> vcf-midatlantic at lists.vcfed.org <mailto:vcf-midatlantic at lists.vcfed.org>>
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> > I know DavidG has done some amazing work (along with other members) on
> VCF's 8010 (Dandelion)... And strangely enough the same day (yesterday)
> someone on the SGI Discord I frequent posted this amazing video, which I
> thought I'd share to interested people here:
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> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10Dlr5rY9SI>>
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> > Of a Daybreak (Xerox 6085) booting up into ViewPoint 2.0 and using the
> apps. VCF also has a Daybreak which would be great to get fully functional
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> > I'm not sure of the dates, but do people know if the Xerox Star would
> have been the system that Jobs and the Apple team viewed at Xerox back when
> they had their infamous visits? Or were those Altos?
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