[vcf-midatlantic] How To Geek article on floppy data recovery
hjohnson at retrotechnology.info
Fri May 8 13:59:58 EDT 2020
The subject of floppy drives and diskettes, is of great interest to me.
One can Web search my domain and find many Web pages about them, and
about vintage floppy controllers too. Some people find my site useful in
that way. So I had something to say.
I think I mis-interpreted Dean's comments, as some kind of established
opinion, and not just his expression of his particular interests and
preferences. Sorry if I over-responded as if to make a serious argument
out of them. I'm sure many would agree with his considerations. But I'm
not taking a vote, to establish my interests or to draw my conclusions.
Thanks, Dean, for your responses and your opinions. You need not share
my particular interests of course. If you find information that's
contrary to facts and propositions I've made, I'd be interested in
hearing about them. That applies to anyone else of course.
And I welcome a strong counter argument, I'd be informed, maybe others
would be. But I don't insist on consensus or agreement; or pretend my
views are established in that way. I hope my facts are correct, the tech
I mention is correctly stated. The rest are my considerations and others
may have different ones.
Regards, Herb Johnson
On 5/8/2020 12:43 PM, Dean Notarnicola wrote:
> I agree that these are two different things; preservation of data and
> storage formats lives in a separate domain from preserving vintage
> hardware, but you may argue that one helps the other and keeps these
> systems usable after mechanical components have failed beyond reasonable
> On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 12:38 PM Herb Johnson
> On 5/8/2020 12:04 PM, Dean Notarnicola wrote:
> > However, consider that, over time, it may matter less and less as a
> > larger volume of old media gets archived. Maybe it’s ok that these
> > devices are somewhat ephemeral. Just food for thought.
> If I accept that proposition, Dean: vintage computing may matter less
> and less, as a larger volume of information and actual computers get
> archived in collections and on Web pages. Maybe it's OK that everything
> is ephemeral - including you and me. That's called "carrying an
> to its logical conclusions". Or to extreme conclusions, you decide.
> The weaker response, is that many people have decided that floppy
> diskettes are so obsolete, one should simply archive their contents and
> avoid their use. In that case, the fact that archival mechanisms come
> and go - these various microcontrollers - doesn't matter either. One
> finds a means to archive or recover; one does the recovery; one
> moves on.
> I have a few Web pages, about the efforts needed to "archive", and then
> recover and put to use, various inconvenient floppy disk formats; such
> as M2FM or MMFM and Intel Multibus system disks. Eventually, the
> recovery was performed by *actual period hardware and Intel systems*.
> Your mileage may vary, regarding your favorite vintage systems.
> Again, I call out the difference between vintage computing as acts of
> preservation; and modern computing as an "ephemeral" activity where
> the data persists (if that). So let's run emulators and go home, job
> done. (shrug) It's a matter of choices and consequences.
> Regards, Herb Johnson
> > On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 11:45 AM Herb Johnson wrote:
> > This reply is long, because I'm arguing in opposition, and
> that means I
> > have to make a case about, and explain about. But I'll save some
> > people,
> > some time. I"m going to fuss about these microcontrollers
> > obsolete. If you don't care about that, save time and stop
> reading here.
Herbert R. Johnson, New Jersey in the USA
http://www.retrotechnology.com OR .net
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