[vcf-midatlantic] Project of the day - Windows 3.11 386Enh on a floppy
Richard Cini
rich.cini at gmail.com
Sun Sep 6 13:42:04 EDT 2020
I forgot to answer your original question about systems. I built the disk using DOS 6.22 and Windows XP, both running on Parallels (on a Mac). Parallels emulates a standard PC but uses virtualization to work.
Anyway, I would expect that if runs on that, it will run on any PC after 1992.
Here’s the file list:
Volume in drive Z is MS-RAMDRIVE
Directory of Z:\WINDOWS
. <DIR> 09-06-20 5:38p
.. <DIR> 09-06-20 5:38p
ACCESSOR GRP 2,206 09-05-20 7:52p
CONTROL EXE 15,872 12-31-93 6:11a
CONTROL INI 3,824 09-05-20 6:38p
DOSPRMPT PIF 545 09-05-20 2:14p
DRWATSON EXE 26,864 09-06-20 12:14p
MAIN GRP 5,115 09-05-20 7:52p
MOUSE INI 24 09-05-20 2:12p
NOTEPAD EXE 32,736 09-06-20 12:14p
PRINTMAN EXE 43,248 09-06-20 12:14p
PROGMAN EXE 115,312 12-31-93 6:11a
PROGMAN INI 168 09-06-20 12:37p
REG DAT 2,556 09-05-20 2:14p
STARTUP GRP 44 09-05-20 7:52p
SYSEDIT EXE 19,472 05-26-95 6:57a
SYSTEM INI 1,501 09-05-20 7:52p
SYSTEM <DIR> 09-06-20 5:38p
TASKMAN EXE 3,744 09-06-20 12:14p
WIN COM 44,170 09-05-20 2:12p
WIN INI 3,424 09-05-20 2:14p
WINFILE EXE 146,864 12-31-93 6:11a
WINFILE INI 96 09-05-20 7:02p
_DEFAULT PIF 545 09-05-20 2:14p
24 file(s) 468,330 bytes
Directory of Z:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM
. <DIR> 09-06-20 5:38p
.. <DIR> 09-06-20 5:38p
COMM DRV 9,280 12-31-93 6:11a
COMMCTRL DLL 48,112 05-26-95 6:57a
COMMDLG DLL 97,936 12-31-93 6:11a
CPWIN386 CPL 104,816 12-31-93 6:11a
DOSX EXE 32,682 12-31-93 6:11a
DRIVERS CPL 41,440 12-31-93 6:11a
GDI EXE 220,800 12-31-93 6:11a
KEYBOARD DRV 7,568 12-31-93 6:11a
KRNL386 EXE 76,400 12-31-93 6:11a
LANMAN10 386 8,786 12-31-93 5:11a
LZEXPAND DLL 23,712 12-31-93 6:11a
MAIN CPL 148,560 12-31-93 6:11a
MMSOUND DRV 3,440 12-31-93 6:11a
MMSYSTEM DLL 61,648 12-31-93 6:11a
MOUSE DRV 10,672 12-31-93 6:11a
SETUP INF 60,594 12-31-93 6:11a
SHELL DLL 41,600 12-31-93 6:11a
SND CPL 8,192 12-31-93 6:11a
SYSTEM DRV 2,304 12-31-93 6:11a
TTY DRV 30,496 12-31-93 6:11a
USER EXE 264,016 09-05-20 2:14p
VER DLL 9,008 12-31-93 6:11a
VGA 3GR 16,384 12-31-93 6:11a
VGA DRV 73,200 12-31-93 6:11a
VGAFIX FON 5,360 12-31-93 6:11a
VGAOEM FON 5,168 12-31-93 6:11a
VGASYS FON 7,280 12-31-93 6:11a
VTDA 386 6,816 12-31-93 5:11a
VTDAPI 386 5,245 12-31-93 6:11a
WIN386 EXE 544,789 12-31-93 6:11a
WINOA386 MOD 49,248 12-31-93 6:11a
WSWAP EXE 16,302 12-31-93 6:11a
34 file(s) 2,041,854 bytes
Total files listed:
58 file(s) 2,510,184 bytes
5,738,496 bytes free
Rich
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On 9/6/20, 11:47 AM, "John Heritage" <john.heritage at gmail.com> wrote:
Very nice! That's stackering the Win 3.11 boot disk itself? I am curious how much that compresses..
Also, would that work on a 'modern' PC - such as a Socket 7 system? (of ~ Pentium MMX era/vintage)? I have a K6-3+ BIOS modded Socket 7 system I use for fun. (OC'd to 75 MHz bus = 450 MHz).
On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 8:33 PM Richard Cini <rich.cini at gmail.com> wrote:
Ha, just pulled out a copy of Stacker 4.0 and compressed a floppy disk. 2.8MB free. That's a lot of room :-)
Rich
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On 9/5/20, 7:28 PM, "Richard Cini" <rich.cini at gmail.com> wrote:
Yeah, I thought of that too. I did this within Parallels on my Mac (so, going back and forth between Windows XP and MS-DOS 6.22 running as virtual machines) and Parallels doesn't support DMF (or anything other than 1.44MB). Neither does VirtualBox interestingly. It might be possible to do it on a real PC, but not sure.
Yes, that extra 200k would make a huge difference in what could be included. Another way, that I haven't dried, is using Doublespace to create a virtual drive on the floppy.
Rich
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http://www.classiccmp.org/altair32
On 9/5/20, 7:23 PM, "vcf-midatlantic on behalf of John Heritage via vcf-midatlantic" <vcf-midatlantic-bounces at lists.vcfed.org on behalf of vcf-midatlantic at lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
How about using one of the extended disk formats - 1.68MB or whatever
format IBM Used for their OS/2 floppies? or is that not bootable? (This
format was at least readable by standard 1.44 MB drives using standard
1.44MB disks.. )
Interesting challenge !
On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 7:20 PM Richard Cini via vcf-midatlantic <
vcf-midatlantic at lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
> Not really sure what applicability this really has, but today’s challenge
> was to get Windows 3.11 Enhanced Mode running from a single 1.44MB floppy
> disk. There are easy ways to get Standard mode running, including using
> files from “precopy.cab” on Windows 95 or 98, but this was way more
> challenging. I started from a full install and pared it down using a guide
> I found (which was a two-disk solution).
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> The boot files and required extras (HIMEM, PKUNZIP and a very small
> ramdrive driver) took about 300K, leaving only about 1.2MB (1.156MB to be
> exact) for a complete install. A normal no-frills install is about 3-ish
> megabytes.
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> There are significant compromises – no virtual memory, no networking, no
> multimedia, only system fonts, and only a few apps, but once running you
> could run them from another floppy. I discovered that 386Enh won’t put a
> temporary swapfile on a RAM drive, so it runs without it.
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> I guess you could call this the 1992 version of PortableApps :-)
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