[vcf-midatlantic] LSI-11 simulator

Bill Degnan billdegnan at gmail.com
Thu Sep 10 13:14:53 EDT 2020


Sorry I forgot my web page notes:
https://www.vintagecomputer.net/browse_thread.cfm?id=668
Let me know how it goes.
b

On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 1:13 PM Bill Degnan <billdegnan at gmail.com> wrote:

> PDP11GUI allows you to create bootable media by simulating tape storage
> via PC rs232 port.  What I did was use simH to create the boot disk I
> wanted, tested to make sure it worked and then used PDP11GUI to dump the
> image onto an awaiting RL02 disk.  You can do the same with RK05 and I
> presume RX01/2 as well.
> Bill
>
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 12:25 PM Herb Johnson via vcf-midatlantic <
> vcf-midatlantic at lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
>
>> > No RT-11 disk image I’ve used will boot,
>> > I was hoping someone could point me to a listing of what the on-disk
>> boot block code on an RT-11 floppy might look like.
>>
>> Rich, I don't understand your problem. If you have access to RT-11 disk
>> images on the Web, my guess is some of them are "bootable". By
>> "bootable" that means by your account, they have PDP11 boot code on
>> their first sector. If they have boot code on their first sector - then
>> extract the first sector and *hand disassemble the binary*. Then you
>> know what that code quote "looks like".
>>
>> 256 words (512 bytes) is just a handful of disassembly work - hardly
>> worth bothering to run an emulator to run some debugger to produce some
>> PDP-11 code. and you seem so deep into this custom  emulator and the
>> LSI-11 architecture, that you seem to know what you'd need to make sense
>> of the boot code. I'm familiar with PDP-11's a little, it's not
>> horrendous binary code.
>>
>> YOu also say, this emulator apparently needs a custom RT-11, presumably
>> with custom boot code. But the creator doesn't recall the details. Well,
>> 24 years is a long time to remember such things. That being the case,
>> you will have to figure out the boot process anyway. You already have to
>> dig into the emulator. And you seem to know the hardware. Thus doing the
>> hand disassembly will be, er, "informative".
>>
>> What am I missing here? Do you need some known bootable RT-11 diskettes,
>> so you can put one in some drive and read off the boot sector? Or
>> someone to send you that binary or disk image?
>>
>> Likewise:
>>
>> >  It’s like looking for a disassembly of the MS-DOS boot sector.
>>
>> (snort) MS-DOS DEBUG will do that, with a IBM PC tech manual in hand.
>>
>> I don't mean to belabor the point, but maybe this is as I suspect: a
>> desire to avoid hand-disassembly. If that's a personal issue, my
>> apologies, but I think it's a very useful skill. And if it's not a
>> desirable task, well, there's usually debuggers which do that, or one
>> can cobble up a disassembler in one's favorite language (or borrow one
>> and rework it). I've done all those things, and still do, but that's
>> just me.
>>
>> Puzzled, Herb
>>
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