How old is "vintage"? Found an IBM XT in my garage.)

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Wed Aug 4 22:25:55 UTC 2021

There are classifications for collector cars.
Vintage Car: Manufactured between 1919 and 1930
Antique Car: Manufactured 1975 or earlier (>45 years old)
Classic Car: Manufactured 1990 or earlier (>20 years old)
Maybe this can be applied, to some degree, to computers as well.

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> On Aug 4, 2021, at 5:56 PM, Joshua Abraham via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic at> wrote:
> I would agree that the time range and qualifications are varied. 
> By the book though, vintage usually is defined as an authentic and significant item about 20 years or older. So a good example: The IBM AT would be vintage. A random 286 clone... perhaps not. 
> Now defining retro, that’s a whole other can of worms. Haha. 
> -Josh “Singularity” 
>>> On Aug 4, 2021, at 5:46 PM, Dave McGuire via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic at> wrote:
>>>> On 8/4/21 5:43 PM, Bruce via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
>>> Neils post prompts this lurker to inquire:  Just how old need a computer be
>>> to be of interest to VCF?
>>> PC was - what? -- 1980?  AT after that.  XT even later.
>>> What about minor brands, etc.?
>> This is very subjective.  To some kids today, a Pentium 4 is vintage.
>> I think to people like us, "it depends".  A 286 box probably isn't,
>> but a VAX made in the same year probably is.  But everyone has their own
>> feelings about it.
>> It's kinda like fighting over "firsts".  You just know...don't fry
>> your brain trying to quantify it and generate rules to make the decision
>> for you.
>>          -Dave
>> -- 
>> Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
>> New Kensington, PA

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