[vcf-midatlantic] What does Al Kossow have against VCF?
cliendo at gmail.com
Thu Aug 19 15:53:43 UTC 2021
Because I figued someone knew what we did
On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 11:47 AM Duane Craps via vcf-midatlantic
<vcf-midatlantic at lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
> Why not ask Al to explain, instead all this talking behind his back?
> On 8/19/2021 11:39 AM, Christian Liendo via vcf-midatlantic wrote:
> > Please allow me to respectfully disagree, since I first posed the
> > question. I need to explain more.
> > We all know who Al Kossow is. He is a pillar of the community, he is
> > held in high regard. I hold him in high regard and so his opinion
> > holds weight.
> > When a person who is important in the community makes such a
> > statement, you have to ask why. Which is what I did.
> > Is it a critique of the organization?
> > Is it a critique of the members?
> > Is it a critique of our focus as hobbyists?
> > VCF is an educational non-prof that does good work for the community
> > as a whole, but when a member of the community who is that important
> > makes such a claim, then you try to figure out why.
> > My original question was "What does Al Kossow have against VCF?"
> > I then stated to Mike Loewen:
> > "I agree that Al Kossow has contributed immensely to the community and
> > continues to do so. I respect what he does. Given his contributions
> > and position in the community it was one of the reasons I asked the
> > question in the first place. I just didn't know what warrented that
> > response about VCF."
> > Neither of these were negative against Al Kossow.
> > I repeat, His opinion carries weight which affects how VCF is viewed.
> > If it was anyone else, I wouldn't have asked.
> > If Bill Herd or Amiga Bill or Jason Scott said anything like that, I
> > would want to know why as well.
> > I didn't go out to disparage Al Kossow, but to ask if there was a
> > known issue as to why he would say something like that.
> > If it's a valid critique then it's something that needs to be addressed.
> > My mistake was not writing all of this in the original question as I
> > considered this less formal.
> > On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 11:47 AM Herb Johnson via vcf-midatlantic
> > <vcf-midatlantic at lists.vcfed.org> wrote:
> >> I think this discussion as titled, is inappropriate on principles.
> >> First, it's a public discussion about an individual, their actions and
> >> their supposed motivations. What special knowledge or authority, do
> >> particular persons have or possess, regarding some one person other than
> >> themselves? I call this "gossip".
> >> Second, this is a discussion group sponsored by a non-profit educational
> >> corporation, for public purpose. I doubt discussions of this class suit
> >> those purposes.
> >> Any plausible rules of moderation would not permit persons to post
> >> negative commentary about an individual. If the owners of this
> >> discussion group fail to moderate, it falls to the members to
> >> self-moderate. And so I post accordingly.
> >> Discussions about the operation of a mail list, are usually
> >> counter-productive; I choose this lesser evil.
> >> Third, if there's a plausible discussion about something more
> >> appropriate, such as say changes in tastes in the vintage computing
> >> community (general or particular) - then change the subject line to
> >> reflect that discussion, and continue that discussion.
> >> Put another way: If no one moderates or complains about gossip and
> >> personal arguments, and those posts continue, then that becomes the
> >> standard. It becomes normalized. Makes it easier to do the next time,
> >> and the next. This is the core argument for moderation.
> >> Regards, Herb Johnson
> >> --
> >> Herbert R. Johnson, New Jersey in the USA
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