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Can you see this reply Dean?
by Tony Bogan 05 Nov '15

05 Nov '15

This came through fine for me and the link worked perfectly.Apparently Dean could not see it though.Tony Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Thursday, November 5, 2015, 11:07 AM, Christian Liendo via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote: I am sending this as a test (sending plain text with a link) Apple IIc Prototype. Looks legit. https://anewdayauctions.proxibid.com/asp/LotDetail.asp?ahid=3493&aid=101939…

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test without link
by Christian Liendo 05 Nov '15

05 Nov '15

Ok.. I am testing text without a link per se.. I put it in quotes. "anewdayauctions.proxibid.com/asp/LotDetail.asp?ahid=3493&aid=101939&lid=273…" Lets see what this does

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Test with an interesting auction
by Dean Notarnicola 05 Nov '15

05 Nov '15

Blank message body On Thursday, November 5, 2015, Christian Liendo via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote: >

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DOS Floppy Disks
by Tom H. 05 Nov '15

05 Nov '15

To All, I have an offer from a former colleague to get ~1000 DOS Floppies that he has in filing cabinets. They contain MSDOS programs from DOS 1.0 and up. If VCF or any members are interested, I can make arrangements to get them. My former colleague wants to shit can them next Tue the 10th. Thanks, Tom H

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MIME format
by Evan Koblentz 05 Nov '15

05 Nov '15

I am pretty sure that our list automatically strips MIME-formatted messages. Basically we have a choice. We can keep that setting and appease people who don't want formatted stuff, or we can eliminate it and appease people who don't want to use plain text. My opinion is that eliminating the option is probably the better choice, because it would be a compromise between having a traditional list vs. having a configuration which would likely not work for some (especially younger) members.

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Internet Archive telethon
by Evan Koblentz 05 Nov '15

05 Nov '15

Recommended reading: http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/4813

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Can you see me?
by Herb Johnson 05 Nov '15

05 Nov '15

I read the list from the lists.v..c..f.org Web site, with an old version of Firefox Web browser. I am of course registered to the list but I have turned off email sends to me. This email was from my email client and constructed with correct To: and subject: "by hand". Never mind why I do this. When I read on my Web browser, Tony Bogan's email message, Wed Nov 4 14:44:51 CET 2015, from the v...c..f site, my Web browser shows the usual previous/next/messages sorted stuff, the subject line and so on. The body of the message is only An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <so and so/attachment.html> [as active link] Upon clicking the link above, my browser does NOT show an HTML document, it shows the text content of the HTML document with of course HTML tags. Now, oddly enough, when I download that HTML document and save it as a plain-text file with an HTML extension; and then "click" the file to display it under my same Web browser; the browser accepts the HTML tags and processes the HTML tags. I make no comments as I'm not qualified. Others with more knowledge can do what I've done as a diagnostic if it's useful. And of course one can access the lists.v..c..f.org Web site to see messages, some of which they may not have received by email. Herb Johnson -- Herbert R. Johnson, New Jersey USA http://www.retrotechnology.com OR .net

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One month 'til Festivus!
by Evan Koblentz 04 Nov '15

04 Nov '15

I'm excited about it. Will bring a big tray of soft pretzels. Those went over well last year.

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Can you see me?
by Systems Glitch 04 Nov '15

04 Nov '15

> So can anyone see this? I can. I do get both a RFC822 email and a plaintext message, so I'm assuming your client is sending in both HTML + Plaintext. Pretty sure that's the way you want it, if you're stuck with sending HTML email. Thanks, Jonathan

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Unsure Can you see me?
by Evan Koblentz 04 Nov '15

04 Nov '15

>> Ok, kinda feel like the Whos from Horton Hears a Who. "We are here! We are here!" So can anyone see this? Who? Errrr yes.

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Can you see me?
by Ian Primus 04 Nov '15

04 Nov '15

Yes, I can see you. On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 8:47 AM, Tony Bogan via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote: > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Tony Bogan <apb11368(a)yahoo.com> > To: "vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org" < > vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> > Cc: > Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 05:44:51 -0800 > Subject: Can you see me? > > Ok, kinda feel like the Whos from Horton Hears a Who. > > "We are here! We are here!" > > So can anyone see this? > Tony > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone <https://yho.com/footer0> > >

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Can you see me?
by Tony Bogan 04 Nov '15

04 Nov '15

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] More Pest Toast then, thx for the failure feedback
by Dan Roganti 04 Nov '15

04 Nov '15

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 9:07 PM, Tony Bogan via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote: > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Tony Bogan <apb11368(a)yahoo.com> > To: "vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org" < > vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> > Cc: > Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 18:04:15 -0800 > Subject: RE: [vcf-midatlantic] More Pest Toast then, thx for the failure > feedback > > this one is Blank on my end But even looking at the source for Tony's email it's still encoded gibberish no plain message text at all -- at least with the others there was plain message text in the source see below Delivered-To: ragooman(a)gmail.com Received: by 10.28.33.5 with SMTP id h5csp2175833wmh; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 18:07:08 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.140.194.5 with SMTP id p5mr44141493qha.84.1446602828694; Tue, 03 Nov 2015 18:07:08 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: <vcf-midatlantic-bounces(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> Received: from www.mailmanlists.us (deusmachina.io. 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List support, another update
by Evan Koblentz 04 Nov '15

04 Nov '15

1:45AM ET -- Heard back from the support people. They created a new list, on the same server as ours, using the the same settings -- and they were unable to replicate our problem. Below is the message they sent me verbatim: ================================== Hi Evan, After running the test list on the server you are on, I've set the following on your list - so that it matches what we used on the test list. ****************** Content filtering: Should Mailman collapse multipart/alternative to its first part content? (Edit collapse_alternatives) YES Should Mailman convert text/html parts to plain text? This conversion happens after MIME attachments have been stripped. (Edit convert_html_to_plaintext) NO ***************** We tested sending HTML emails and plain text emails, and used several email programs to check reception. In every case, the subject and message body is showing as correct. In short, we haven't been able to replicate the issue as described. Mail sending and reception tested on: Thunderbird Alpine SquirrelMail Roundcube Gmail.com Yahoo.com AOL.com There is nothing in the log files reporting errors on your list. So at this point we are none the wiser as to why this is only happening for users on your list. A last ditch effort would be to remove your list completely, and create a new one. This would just be voodoo if it made any difference at all - as there is nothing logical about why that would make a difference. Before we do that though, you may want to try one last message to the list to test the change I made. I suspect all your members are getting fed up with test messages.

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List failures, and another test
by Ian Primus 04 Nov '15

04 Nov '15

Looking back through the messages that I got last night... seems that I'm missing a lot of them. I have replys to messages that I never got the original to. And I'm seeing a lot of blank messages too. Also, I don't seem to get copies of my own messages from the list, either. -Ian

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another list support update
by Evan Koblentz 04 Nov '15

04 Nov '15

Got this message from support: -------- Forwarded Message -------- Hi Evan, This is a new one for us. The recent upgrade to Mailman 2.1.20 has thrown a few curved balls. We spinning up a new test list just now, on the server that you are on, to confirm that it's not happening system wide. We're also going to be testing on a few different email applications to see if there is a problem there. My apologies for the grief. And I hope to have a resolution in the next couple of hours.

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More pest toasting
by Mike Loewen 04 Nov '15

04 Nov '15

Every message I see posted by Tony Bogan is empty. Pasted below are the message headers, minus the first batch of received headers. There are always two parts: a RFC822 part, with lots of headers but no body, and a text/plain part which is completely empty. My email client is alpine. Mike Loewen mloewen(a)cpumagic.scol.pa.us Old Technology http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- To: "vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org" <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> In-Reply-To: <430bfb03-e9c2-48fe-8295-49114d23da04(a)snarc.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <mailman.22.1446605462.1696.vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> List-Id: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic.lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> List-Post: <mailto:vcf-midatlantic@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> From: Tony Bogan via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> Precedence: list Cc: Tony Bogan <apb11368(a)yahoo.com> X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org List-Subscribe: <http://lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org/mailman/listinfo/vcf-midatlantic>, <mailto:vcf-midatlantic-request@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org?subject=subscribe> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org/mailman/options/vcf-midatlantic>, <mailto:vcf-midatlantic-request@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org/pipermail/vcf-midatlantic/> Reply-To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> List-Help: <mailto:vcf-midatlantic-request@lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org?subject=help> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Georgr Boole's Birthday 200 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Errors-To: vcf-midatlantic-bounces(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org Sender: "vcf-midatlantic" <vcf-midatlantic-bounces(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 03:51:02 +0100 (CET) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 on 192.168.202.1 Parts/Attachments: 1 Shown 3.5 KB Message, "Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Georgr Boole's Birthday 200" 1.1 Shown 1 lines Text ---------------------------------------- [ Part 1: "Included Message" ] Return-Path: <apb11368(a)yahoo.com> X-Original-To: vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org Delivered-To: vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org Received: from nm44-vm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm44-vm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [67.195.87.29]) by www.mailmanlists.us (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C45952E589 for <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org>; 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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Unsure Re: Georgr Boole's Birthday 200
by Evan Koblentz 04 Nov '15

04 Nov '15

I am seeing Tony's emails as blank. Aaaaaarrgggghhhh all I wanted was a mailing list

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Heard back from the list provider
by Evan Koblentz 04 Nov '15

04 Nov '15

Heard back from the list provider (it's morning where they are in Australia). They joined our list and will watch some of the traffic tonight, so as to see the problem firsthand. (Hi list provider people!)

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Georgr Boole's Birthday 200
by Duane 04 Nov '15

04 Nov '15

All, Not your analog George but the one you learned about in your computer class George Boole's Birthday Duane

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More Pest Toast then, thx for the failure feedback
by Corey Little 04 Nov '15

04 Nov '15

Thanks for the feedback on the last post Dan, Tony. This is the other end of the spectrum, logging in to the gmail web interface I never use and figuring out how to select "plain text mode". If this doesn't come across readable then I do not know what to try next. Also FWIW, I have yet to see my posts show up echoed in my inbox, even once. I have checked the preferences I have selected and do not have echo turned off. Anyone else seeing (or not seeing) their echo? Thanks, -Corey L.

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TEST 4
by Duane 04 Nov '15

04 Nov '15

TEST 01234567 10

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List test
by Ian Primus 04 Nov '15

04 Nov '15

Testing. Testing. 123. Is this thing on?

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Perhaps it's all good now....
by Evan Koblentz 04 Nov '15

04 Nov '15

...Because I am getting tired of test messages like this one. :)

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Info Needed: International Data Systems 88-SPM Clock Module (s100)
by Systems Glitch 04 Nov '15

04 Nov '15

All, Can't seem to find any information, other than a few magazine ads, on a S100 clock board I've got. It's marked: 1980 IDS International Data Systems, INC 88-SPM Clock Module V01 Looks like it's another TTL clock, I can't pick out any RTC chips or repurposed alarm clocks. Schematic, manual, programs you know interact with one of these, et c. would be super helpful! Thanks, Jonathan

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Another Pest Toast - it isn't blank
by Corey Little 04 Nov '15

04 Nov '15

Per request, more pest toasting, for troubleshooting. This is how I would naturally post, without resorting to an alternate web client, or specifying text only vs. HTML when I post. I can do any of the latter as required, but this is the first test, to see if I need to. There is also an attached image file, a 930KB jpg. The first one of you who identifies it wins a prize. If any of you see it, the new board win a prize. Feedback appreciated. -Corey L. Curator, cpmuseum.com http://www.cpmuseum.com <http://www.cpmuseum.com/>

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List test. 11:47
by ListGnome MailmanLists 04 Nov '15

04 Nov '15

List test. Please diregard. Reply set to poster. Leigh

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List check for CC
by ListGnome MailmanLists 04 Nov '15

04 Nov '15

MD 11:58 Leigh, this CC issue seems to be happening on this list only. # RFC 2822 specifies zero or one CC header del msg['cc'] msg['Cc'] = COMMASPACE.join([formataddr(i) for i in ccaddrs.values()]) to # RFC 2822 specifies zero or one CC header del msg['cc'] if ccaddrs: msg['Cc'] = COMMASPACE.join([formataddr(i) for i in ccaddrs.values()])

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List test. 11:42
by ListGnome MailmanLists 04 Nov '15

04 Nov '15

List test. Please disregard. Strip HTML to plain text is set. Reply to list option is set. Leigh

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] List test
by Tony Bogan 04 Nov '15

04 Nov '15

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test
by Herb Johnson 03 Nov '15

03 Nov '15

test CI, ignore -- Herbert R. Johnson, New Jersey USA http://www.retrotechnology.com OR .net -- Herbert R. Johnson, New Jersey USA http://www.retrotechnology.com OR .net

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List test
by Herb Johnson 03 Nov '15

03 Nov '15

Just to describe (again) how I post and read, if it's informative. For some with send or receive issues, this may be a "plan B". My reasons for these methods don't matter. I write an email with my email client on my computer, with the email address of the list vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org as "to:", and the subject line in this case cut-and-pasted from the maillist Web page archive of messages (as this one was). That seems to work, to insert my message in the correct "thread" (I'll find out again after sending) but possibly out of "reply tree" order. I send it of course, from the email account and name I registered on the list. Sending from another email account, of course, would be rejected as "you aren't registered here". My emails are text-only, but there are some embedded ASCII formatting (my trailer below appears as grey not black text when I read it). I read the list from the list's Web address for the archive, http://lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org/pipermail/vcf-midatlantic/ ..which may be a little hard to find. And it may require a "cookie" to validate access to that Web page (or may not). I have access to messages by date, topic, author and to individual message. I don't guarantee what I've described is correct or accurate. If not, others can offer corrections, if the methods are worth documenting. I was going to describe how some of the emails I recieved before disabling email distribution, and describe how some of them look on the Web interface. The simplest thing I can say, is that some messages seem to have HTML which does not readily display content; the content is visible when looking in "source mode", ignoring all HTML tags and displaying them as embedded in the text. ASCII inspection of "ill formed" messages may be informative to the knowledgeable. My point is: this means of writing to the list, and to read the list, ought to be available to anyone with means to construct emails as I've described, and to browse the Web (presuming the archive is visible to non-subscribers). And so it's a "plan B" when one's primary access has issues. HErb -- Herbert R. Johnson, New Jersey USA http://www.retrotechnology.com OR .net

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] WTD: 720k floppy drive
by Richard Cini 03 Nov '15

03 Nov '15

This message came through as a MIME attachment. Others I've received as plain text. Rich Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 3, 2015, at 11:25 AM, Bob Aviles via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote: > > <mime-attachment>

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Commodore PET on eBay in King of Prussia
by Chris Fala 03 Nov '15

03 Nov '15

My initial reaction is that this is worth at least $200. What do other people think? On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Tony Bogan via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote: > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Tony Bogan <apb11368(a)yahoo.com> > To: "vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org" < > vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> > Cc: > Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 11:29:17 -0800 > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Commodore PET on eBay in King of Prussia > Was just going to ask, what are they going for? Ever since I saw the one > at VCF two years ago (the video thru the iPhone's was just friggin cool!) > I've been tempted to start branching out to Commodores. > Tony > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone <https://yho.com/footer0> > > On Nov 2, 2015, 2:27:21 PM, william degnan via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > they're getting expensive > > On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 2:24 PM, Chris Fala via vcf-midatlantic < > vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote: > >> I am really tempted on this one but will have to pass. >> >> http://www.ebay.com/itm/151819476036 >> >> > > > -- > Bill > > >

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OT: Test Post and IBM Z890
by Connor Krukosky 03 Nov '15

03 Nov '15

Well I did the ill-advised and got the Z890 :P Won the machine for $237, a fair price I'd say :) I may only be 115LBS and the rack alone may have weighted roughly 800LBS, but with the right tools and some friends and family to help out it wasn't too hard to get moved. The most difficult part was the excavation we had to do to get it to fit under the deck! It was a REALLY tight fit as you will see in the photos. It took two trips up to Rutgers to get it all, one with the truck alone to remove most of the innards and another with the trailer as-well to grab the rack. Its already in the basement and most of the way back together, just running the wiring internally for it then I need to wire up a 240v 30a outlet once we get the new breaker box in since there is no more room in the current box. Photos of the whole adventure: http://imgur.com/a/5uWit Very special thanks to Jeff Jonas who was there both days to help out. Along with thanks to my two friends from college that helped and of-course my father who didn't kill me but helped me get into the basement :) -Connor K

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WTD: 720k floppy drive
by Richard Cini 03 Nov '15

03 Nov '15

> All — > > For archiving HP system disks (LIF format) I’m looking for a real 720k 3.5” floppy drive. I’m not having much success doing it with a 1.44MB floppy drive so I’d like to get a real one if I could. > > Does anyone have a spare they could part with? If so, please drop me a note off-list. Thanks! Rich Cini Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Update - blank msgs, etc.
by william degnan 03 Nov '15

03 Nov '15

Tony, Can you please bottom post, thanks b On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 10:39 AM, Tony Bogan via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote: > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Tony Bogan <apb11368(a)yahoo.com> > To: "vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org" < > vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> > Cc: > Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 07:36:52 -0800 > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Update - blank msgs, etc. > I've received every email sent to date. Some were blank, some showed the > content. None ever went to my spam folder. This message from Evan showed > perfectly as did Connor's reply. I intentionally left the quoted text below > just to show what showed! :-) > Tony > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone <https://yho.com/footer0> > > On Nov 3, 2015, 10:32:27 AM, Connor Krukosky via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > On 11/3/2015 10:21 AM, Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > > > If so, then anyone whose mail clients can't handle HTML format will > > have to make changes on their ends (sorry).... > > Or we can find a better mailing list manager that actually works for > everyone instead of settling for something that only works for 'most' of > the users we have. > I've heard a suggestion or two from other members, maybe ask everyone > for what everyone suggests. > I personally have had no problems with the new mailing list but I > dislike it when I've heard that someone received my post in their spam > folder... > Defeats the point of a mailing list if only some of the people actually > receive the posts... > > -Connor K > > > > -- Bill

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Ps - Yahoo group still works :)
by Evan Koblentz 03 Nov '15

03 Nov '15

Let's remember that the Yahoo group still works while we continue fixing the new list.

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Update - blank msgs, etc.
by Evan Koblentz 03 Nov '15

03 Nov '15

Everyone, My sense is the blank message problem started when I enabled the option to strip HTML, etc. (even though my early test disproved it partially). As another test, I un-did the "strip HTML" option just now. Let's see if that makes the blank messages problem go away. If so, then anyone whose mail clients can't handle HTML format will have to make changes on their ends (sorry)....

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Update - blank msgs, etc.
by Bob Flanders 03 Nov '15

03 Nov '15

This message was intentionally left blank. On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 10:39 AM, Tony Bogan via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> wrote: > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Tony Bogan <apb11368(a)yahoo.com> > To: "vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org" < > vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vintagecomputerfederation.org> > Cc: > Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 07:36:52 -0800 > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Update - blank msgs, etc. > I've received every email sent to date. Some were blank, some showed the > content. None ever went to my spam folder. This message from Evan showed > perfectly as did Connor's reply. I intentionally left the quoted text below > just to show what showed! :-) > Tony > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone <https://yho.com/footer0> > > On Nov 3, 2015, 10:32:27 AM, Connor Krukosky via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > On 11/3/2015 10:21 AM, Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > > > If so, then anyone whose mail clients can't handle HTML format will > > have to make changes on their ends (sorry).... > > Or we can find a better mailing list manager that actually works for > everyone instead of settling for something that only works for 'most' of > the users we have. > I've heard a suggestion or two from other members, maybe ask everyone > for what everyone suggests. > I personally have had no problems with the new mailing list but I > dislike it when I've heard that someone received my post in their spam > folder... > Defeats the point of a mailing list if only some of the people actually > receive the posts... > > -Connor K > > > >

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Test
by Jeffrey Brace 03 Nov '15

03 Nov '15

Using my MSN account. Can you read me?

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My theory is disproven.
by Evan Koblentz 03 Nov '15

03 Nov '15

I disabled HTML composition in my desktop email (Thunderbird on Ubuntu) and sent a plain-text message to the new list. It worked normal. Then I enabled HTML composition and sent an HTML-formatted message to the new list. IT STILL WORKED NORMALLY. Thus, my theory about how the text-only option in Mailman causing HTML messages to be the attachments = false. Something else is causing certain messages to appear as attachments.

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] blank messages in vcf-midatlantic Digest, Vol 1, Issue 11
by gsteemso 03 Nov '15

03 Nov '15

I am one of those benighted few who has signed up for the digest version, and I think it's a good thing I did, because so far I've been getting as many as three or four digests a day, though admittedly those are mostly full of test messages. Every digest to date has shown up in my iPhone mail client as a list of MIME attachments, over 90% of which need to be individually downloaded before it will open them. Lately, almost all of those individual messages have shown up with the notice "this message has no content." I believe that of the ten messages in the digest this message is a reply to, only three actually displayed correctly. Some of that is undoubtedly due to defects in the crappy Apple mail reader, but since I do almost all of my email from there, it remains a significant data point, at least to me. While I'm on the subject, does anyone know of an iPhone mail client that is as user-friendly as the Crapple one but actually works properly from a vintage computing perspective? So far my only alternative is the Gmail client, which works well on the iPad but is awkward as hell on my phone because I have multiple Google accounts.

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This email is HTML format
by Evan Koblentz 03 Nov '15

03 Nov '15

Here are some HTML characters.

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This email is plain text format
by Evan Koblentz 03 Nov '15

03 Nov '15

Here is some plain text.

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Test again
by Richard Cini 03 Nov '15

03 Nov '15

Test again Sent from my iPhone

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OK, one more test post
by Corey Little 03 Nov '15

03 Nov '15

P.O.S.T.

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Test again
by Corey Little 03 Nov '15

03 Nov '15

OK, best case test, straight from gmail, no POP3 client involved, no attachments, and no formatted text. Can you hear me now? -Corey L. Curator, cpmuseum.com

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Test Post / Practice Safe Computing
by Corey Little 03 Nov '15

03 Nov '15

Since my last post was several generations of listserv updates ago, and I never did see my own post in reply, here goes again. To test the worst case, I also "forgot" to set the post to plain text, and added an attachment. A little tidbit from Macworld 1989. Practice Safe Computing. Use a MacCondom. -Corey L. Curator, cpmuseum.com

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What? No comment on the Lisa Mouse for $9000?
by william degnan 02 Nov '15

02 Nov '15

There is a Lisa mouse for sale on Ebay (171983561235) currently going for $8995. I did not get any replies to my original post about it, so I thought I'd try again.... I checked sold listings for Lisa, some have the flat button Lisa mouse, some do not. Exactly how rare is the original mouse? No way it's worth $9000 IMHO -- Bill

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