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Apple ][ disk ][ floppy drives
by Sentrytv 30 Jan '20

30 Jan '20

I am working on some Apple II DiskII floppy drives and I'm looking for someone who has experience in aligning these units, Who is able to help with a few pointers. Specifically with the mechanical adjustments. I have one drive that has a bad head which I will have to find. I have another that won't read track 22, after that it reads fine on a sequential read. I am by no means a experienced user with Apple but I am very much mechanically inclined. (I have made no adjustments to this drive yet) Mike Rosen Sent from: My extremely complicated, hand held electronic device.

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Fwd: [IBM1130] Print Punch: Artefacts from the Punch Card Computing Era
by Bob Flanders 29 Jan '20

29 Jan '20

This may be interesting to some ... ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Patrick Fry <frypatrick(a)gmail.com> Date: Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 6:11 AM Subject: [IBM1130] Print Punch: Artefacts from the Punch Card Computing Era To: <ibm1130(a)googlegroups.com> Hi all, We have just released our new book which covers the visual history of the computer punch card. I thought this might be of interest to the group. Some of you have generously helped us with images and information already. The book features over 200 punch cards, 150 archival images and essays by Steven E Jones, Sandra Rendgen and John L Walters. You can see shots of the book on my <http://www.patrickfry.co.uk/printpunch/>site <http://www.patrickfry.co.uk/printpunch/> and more info on the CentreCentre site <https://centrecentre.co.uk/>, with a press release attached. We would love to spread the word about this book to anyone who might be interested. Please let me know if you’d like to know more. Thanks, Patrick Patrick Fry — www.centrecentre.co.uk www.patrickfry.co.uk www.instagram.com/mrpatrickfry — 215a Kingsland Road London E2 8AN +44 (0)7877 132 499 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "IBM1130" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ibm1130+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/ibm1130/CAKDb6wsi5oXvYccTcRYWtG%3DjV%3Dm8… <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/ibm1130/CAKDb6wsi5oXvYccTcRYWtG%3DjV%3Dm8…> .

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Update on the Xerox 8010 (Star)
by Adam Michlin 28 Jan '20

28 Jan '20

David Geisswein was so kind to take a look at one of our Xerox 8010 (Star) machines at the recent workshop. It turns on... counts to 10 on the LEDs, and then does nothing else. But, as you know, that's a huge first step. The Star is now in the musuem and is slated for further repair as soon as possible. Hands on use will happen! But we have a mystery: https://www.instagram.com/p/B72OuuBn4D2/ Our donor provided two Xerox 8010s (Stars, if you prefer) and one Xerox 6085 (aka Daybreak) and only one mouse. Neither machine seems to have a port that matches the connector the pictured mouse. Maybe we're missing a piece, though? You shouldn't need an Instagram account to view the pictures, but let me know if that is causing problems and I can upload them elsewhere. Best wishes, -Adam <https://www.instagram.com/p/B72OuuBn4D2/>

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VCF's entry in the /r/retrobattlestations "Not x86" contest
by Adam Michlin 27 Jan '20

27 Jan '20

Did someone say Not x86 Week contest? We thought we'd put in a last minute entry and you should be able to upvote until midnight (1/26/2020). https://www.reddit.com/r/retrobattlestations/comments/euduzy/univac_1219b_m…

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Sunday Breakfast OB Diner 9AM
by Jeffrey Brace 26 Jan '20

26 Jan '20

We will be meeting at the OB Diner at 9AM. Address is: 1519 Richmond Avenue Point Pleasant, NJ -- ========================================= Jeff Brace Vice President & Board Member, VCF East Showrunner Vintage Computer Federation http://www.vcfed.org/ jeffrey(a)vcfed.org

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Not x86 Week on /r/retrobattlestations
by Adam Michlin 25 Jan '20

25 Jan '20

Hey Everyone, Check out Not x86 Week on: https://www.reddit.com/r/retrobattlestations/ for some cool pictures Submissions are being accepted until January 26th. I'm thinking we have a competition for the coolest non x86 gear we can take pictures of at the workshop this weekend. Xerox 8010 (Star)? ATT Unix 3b1? Just some of things you'll get to see (and maybe even use!) Then again, the Univac really is the ultimate retro battlestation in more ways than one. -Adam

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Repair Workshop Info 1/25 & 1/26
by Jeffrey Brace 25 Jan '20

25 Jan '20

There are only 5 more tables left, so it's first come first serve at this point. Please e-mail me when you sign up so that I can make sure that there is space. As a reminder the workshop is $10 *per* person, *per* day. Sorry this is InfoAge's rule and not our decision. So that means for two days it is $20. Sign up to guarantee a table. DATE: January 25 & 26, 2020 LOCATION: InfoAge Building 9059 (CDL Hackerspace - Formerly IXR) - (2201 Marconi Road, Wall Township, NJ) TIME: Start about 10 A.M. on Saturday and ends whenever we go to sleep. End about 5 P.M. on Sunday. (Starts around 10 A.M. Sunday morning) SIGNUP: < https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LmYNLLK6CEOLCeOQCClhe1J20gpmVlyzmSs… > COST: - $10 per person, PER day. This is required by InfoAge for us to pay for renting the space. - $25 for those wanting to stay overnight (Money goes to InfoAge). Please pay ME (Jeff Brace) when you get there so that I don't forget. Credit cards accepted. I will be using VCF's PayPal Here tablet with bluetooth credit card machine. OVERNIGHT: Bring your own pillow, blankets, soap etc. We provide a bed frame and an uncovered mattress. There are showers and a kitchen for your use. - You can pay via PayPal to paypal(a)vcfed.org. or to me via cash or credit card in person. EQUIPMENT: - VCF will provide a table and you can use any available electrical outlet. - Bring your own tools, power strips, power cords, and supplies etc. - If you need particular tools that you don't know or particular parts, please post to the list for those going. They may have what you need. Let them know ahead of time. - Please bring an extra one or two power cords as these are often forgotten by people. DRINKS: You should bring your own. I would recommend bringing a cooler of some type. FOOD: Bring your own, but we will usually order pizza or go out to eat for dinner. If the weather is nice, then we might cook burgers out back. GATE: During the hours from 1 pm to 5 pm close the front gate behind you. We want museum visitors to go to the front lobby and not wander through the middle of the campus. Outside of those times, you can feel free to leave the gate open. PARKING: Park in the main parking lot, unless you are unloading. InfoAge doesn't like us parking on the lawn anymore. QUESTIONS? Contact Jeff: 732-759-1783 jeffrey(a)vcfed.org Have fun everyone! -- ========================================= Jeff Brace Vice President & Board Member, VCF East Showrunner Vintage Computer Federation http://www.vcfed.org/ jeffrey(a)vcfed.org

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VCFEast Friday Class Instructor Sign up
by Andrew Diller 25 Jan '20

25 Jan '20

Form is here: https://docs.google.com/a/vcfed.org/forms/d/1clKr2-PIXC7SKuRRImfLpWTYKRaVKt… <https://docs.google.com/a/vcfed.org/forms/d/1clKr2-PIXC7SKuRRImfLpWTYKRaVKt…> To sign up to teach a class. We have a few slots open so send this in soon if you have a class to share! -andy

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] List of 2020 exhibits
by Mike Loewen 24 Jan '20

24 Jan '20

On Fri, 24 Jan 2020, Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >> I?ll post it here > Free advice: I always posted it on the event site ASAP as exhibitors sign > up. This way, potential attendees or participants see that the event will be > active. If you wait too long to post the exhibits (and classes, etc.), then > people will judge the quality of the event based on the detail-less website > and decide not to attend or spread misinformation. I agree with Evan. I'd like to see the exhibitors list updated on the site, as new people sign up. Mike Loewen mloewen(a)cpumagic.scol.pa.us Old Technology http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] List of 2020 exhibits
by Dean Notarnicola 24 Jan '20

24 Jan '20

I’ll post it here On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 11:23 AM Peter Fletcher via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > > Is there a current list of registered VCF EAST 2020 exhibits available? > I’ve had a couple of people ask me what to expect if they decide to attend > and I gave them some examples from previous years but if there is an > updated list that might be helpful. > > Thanks, > > Pete > >

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List of 2020 exhibits
by Peter Fletcher 24 Jan '20

24 Jan '20

Is there a current list of registered VCF EAST 2020 exhibits available? I’ve had a couple of people ask me what to expect if they decide to attend and I gave them some examples from previous years but if there is an updated list that might be helpful. Thanks, Pete

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VCF East Swag
by Jeffrey Brace 24 Jan '20

24 Jan '20

We are looking for ideas and suggestions for swag that people will like and buy at VCF East. We already will be selling t-shirts & polos. Likely we will have mugs, baseball caps, mousepads. Does anyone have any great ideas? Feel free to post here or email me separately. -- ========================================= Jeff Brace Vice President & Board Member, VCF East Showrunner Vintage Computer Federation http://www.vcfed.org/ jeffrey(a)vcfed.org

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CCTALK down?
by William Sudbrink 23 Jan '20

23 Jan '20

I haven't received a cctalk message since Monday. Is it down for everyone else? Bill S.

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VCF East 2020 - hotels
by Jeffrey Brace 22 Jan '20

22 Jan '20

If anyone needs to book a hotel, I advise to do it sooner rather than later. There is the NJ Marathon that same weekend so lots of hotels are booking up quickly. -- ========================================= Jeff Brace Vice President & Board Member, VCF East Showrunner Vintage Computer Federation http://www.vcfed.org/ jeffrey(a)vcfed.org

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Repair workshop spaces available for Jan 25 & 26 at InfoAge
by Jeffrey Brace 22 Jan '20

22 Jan '20

One week to go before the workshop. And yes, Ian Primus is attending! There are still 11 spots available for the January 25 & 26 workshop at InfoAge. 15 people are attending and so far 9 tables being reserved. January 25 & 26, 2020: InfoAge CDL Hackerspace building 9059 Signup sheet is found here < https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LmYNLLK6CEOLCeOQCClhe1J20gpmVlyzmSs… > -- ========================================= Jeff Brace Vice President & Board Member, VCF East Showrunner Vintage Computer Federation http://www.vcfed.org/ jeffrey(a)vcfed.org

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VCF East 2020 January Update
by Jeffrey Brace 22 Jan '20

22 Jan '20

First of all we just got Monster 6502 coming! Also The 8-bit Guy (David Murray) - Commander X16 Ben Eater (Khan Academy & 6502 Computer Kit) Stefany Allaire (C256 Foenix) Oh and some others: Bil Herd Michael Tomczyk Bill Mensch Other surprises are in the works. -- ========================================= Jeff Brace Vice President & Board Member, VCF East Showrunner Vintage Computer Federation http://www.vcfed.org/ jeffrey(a)vcfed.org

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Format of SAVE'd programs on disk
by Bob Applegate 21 Jan '20

21 Jan '20

I’ve been doing a lot with the Microsoft 6502 source code and one of the capabilities I’ve added is being able to SAVE/LOAD from an SD card. All of the variants of that BASIC save and load tokenized programs. That is, the SAVE function saves the current BASIC program exactly as it appears in memory, with tokens and some ASCII data. All of the early versions of MS BASIC did not support disk operations directly and any disk code was added later by the computer manufacturer who incorporated the MS interpreter into their systems. Jump forward a couple years when Microsoft directly supported CP/M so that the underlying disk code could be standardized. When a SAVE “ABC.BAS” command was executed, was the program saved tokenized still, or was it saved as all ASCII like the LIST command would produce? Someone could then edit BASIC programs using a text editor and be able to read them back in, as opposed to having binary files that could only be edited from within BASIC itself. I’m just wondering if it’s worth my effort to add the capability to save/load ASCII or just be happy with my tokenized version. I’m interested to know what Microsoft did in later versions of their interpreter. Bob

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] January workshop call to arms
by David Gesswein 21 Jan '20

21 Jan '20

I have done a little more investigation. To pass diagnostics the machine needs Ethernet connected. Do you have a MAU/AUI to 10 base-t transceiver? I can bring one. There were three operating enviornments for it. Do you know what was installed on it and usernames/passwords? Do you know what you want to run in the museum? Keep it as last used if possible or did you desire something in particular? I got copies for my emulator of Viewpoint, XDE 5.0, and the Koto release of Interlisp-D for use in testing. Are their more people who are planning to work on it? I've played slightly with the DarkStar emulator to have some feel for it but have never seen one in person. On Mon, Jan 06, 2020 at 10:37:30PM -0500, Tony Bogan via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > > All, VCF recently acquired two Xerox 8010 computers. We would like to assess and repair (if needed) these machines, and are hoping to have one on display in the very near future. > > We are looking for anyone with the expertise and experience needed to assess these machines. We are hoping to begin the process of restoring these machines at the upcoming January workshop on the 25th and 26th of this month. > > So if you???re out there (and I???m sure you are!) and you can attend the workshop, please let us know! While there will be lots going on at the workshop, this is something we are hoping to be able to work on in preparation for the museum remodeling (or as soon as is practical) > > Thanks, > Tony Bogan > > Sent from my iPhone

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Dataphone cabinet/Communications rack
by Jeff Galinat 20 Jan '20

20 Jan '20

Hi All, I have a Dataphone cabinet/communications rack free for the taking. It is currently in my garage where it has been for the last 30 years but since I am moving out of state it has to go. If if is not gone by Friday 1/24 it will wind up on the scrap heap. I am located in Towaco in Morris County in Northern, NJ,. Here is a link to some pics of the cabinet. <https://1drv.ms/u/s!AoxC-mzikoIghWu4eWR7cyYG4-oL?e=IlTYdl> A pickup truck of large van will be needed to transport this. Please contact me ASAP if any of you list members would like this item. Regards, Jeff Galinat.

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InfoAge closed today 1/18/2020
by Jeffrey Brace 18 Jan '20

18 Jan '20

Due to incoming snowfall, InfoAge will be closed today. -- ========================================= Jeff Brace Vice President & Board Member, VCF East Showrunner Vintage Computer Federation http://www.vcfed.org/ jeffrey(a)vcfed.org

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VCF Sticker Ideas?
by Jeffrey Brace 18 Jan '20

18 Jan '20

I am looking into selling stickers at VCF East. Now what kinds of stickers would most people actually buy? For example: VCF logo, would you buy it? Are there other simple things that we can put on there that are readable? Maybe some general guidelines, so that I can find or make something. -- ========================================= Jeff Brace Vice President & Board Member, VCF East Showrunner Vintage Computer Federation http://www.vcfed.org/ jeffrey(a)vcfed.org

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] VCF Sticker Ideas?
by Jeffrey Jonas 17 Jan '20

17 Jan '20

Bob Flanders' "Best VINTAGE? VCF!" got me thinking: make fun of Internet memes, such as Got Vintage Computers? Got 6502? Buzzword compliant (and small text of buzzwords) something with stick-figures a-la xkcd continued on next sticker ... This Sticker Intentionally Left Blank

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idea
by Bill Degnan 17 Jan '20

17 Jan '20

Imagine a taco with vintage computers in it. Wires for cheese, papertape for lettuce. mmm vintage you can really taste the papertape, they must use good oil.

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Continuing to lighten the collection in Pottstown...
by Douglas Crawford 17 Jan '20

17 Jan '20

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] VCF Sticker Ideas?
by David Riley 17 Jan '20

17 Jan '20

On Jan 17, 2020, at 11:07 AM, Sentry TV via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > > > From: Sentry TV <sentrytv(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] VCF Sticker Ideas? > Date: January 17, 2020 at 11:07:58 AM EST > To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org>, Christian Liendo <cliendo(a)gmail.com> > > > You know, I have seen many people collecting the "States" magnets. > I AM NOT SUGGESTING MAGNETS! You could definitely do some floppy-shaped magnets just to mess with people.

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VCF T-shirt preview!
by Jeffrey Brace 16 Jan '20

16 Jan '20

What do you think? < https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_snLfoubrZUODRwNUVyRERXTXJMSVFoa1hTZ2hNMm… > -- ========================================= Jeff Brace Vice President & Board Member, VCF East Showrunner Vintage Computer Federation http://www.vcfed.org/ jeffrey(a)vcfed.org

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Continuing to lighten the collection in Pottstown...
by Douglas Crawford 16 Jan '20

16 Jan '20

Please inquire off list, thanks.

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Wanted: IT Entry Level position in Pittsburgh area
by Jeffrey Brace 16 Jan '20

16 Jan '20

Dan Roganti's daughter just graduated from college with an associates degree in software development. She is looking for an entry level help desk position or similar position in the Pittsburgh area. If you know of any positions available, then please email me privately and I will pass along the information to her. -- ========================================= Jeff Brace Vice President & Board Member, VCF East Showrunner Vintage Computer Federation http://www.vcfed.org/ jeffrey(a)vcfed.org

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we need an endearing term for our computer pioneers/founders
by Herb Johnson 15 Jan '20

15 Jan '20

I've read the discussion to date on this subject. I am at an age where the subject has some personal meaning to me. Here's some thoughts I have. "log in" or "log out" by Web search, is about access on a computer, people know about that. It seems to be derived from maintaining a "log", a paper account such as a ship's logbook. That appears to be based on "logging" distance in a "chip log" - ledgers of distance sailed measured by a log on-a-rope dragging in the water for a period of time. This is not from an authoritative reference. So: "logged out" has some reference to time and completion and record; it's not an abbreviation, and people know the phrase. So it works for me in some way. But I don't think I need a vote on the matter. People will speak in grief, as they are moved (or not). Phrases come and go in popularity. I think shared discussion leading to some amount of reflection and consensus, is sufficient. And one other thing. Jeff started this as "honoring pioneers"; the presumption by all is to honor them after they are deceased. Why not honor them BEFORE? We are at a point of history, where the "pioneers" of microprocessors and their systems are starting to "leave the planet" (the phrase I learned to use in the 1970's). Paying attention to their work NOW, when they can account for it, give details, seems like a good idea to me. I try to prove accounts on my Web site, about companies or products or people, who pioneered in the computers of interest to me. Some are from those persons, some are about those persons. As I said, the subject in this thread has some meaning to me. Regards, Herb Johnson -- Herbert R. Johnson, New Jersey in the USA http://www.retrotechnology.com OR .net preserve, recover, restore 1970's computing email: hjohnson AT retrotechnology DOT com or try later herbjohnson AT retrotechnology DOT info

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] VCF East Swag
by Glenn Roberts 15 Jan '20

15 Jan '20

Possibly coasters.? https://www.swagconnection.com/coasters.htm From: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic-bounces(a)lists.vcfed.org> On Behalf Of Sentrytv via vcf-midatlantic Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 8:08 AM To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> Cc: Sentrytv <sentrytv(a)yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] VCF East Swag

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VCF East exhibit
by Mike Loewen 13 Jan '20

13 Jan '20

In light of this year's 6502 emphasis, I'll be exhibiting an HP 3000 Micro XE minicomputer from 1986, which of course has nothing to do with the 6502. :-) Different, larger system than last year, with monochrome and color graphics terminals and a 9-track tape drive. Classic 3000 architecture, running MPE/V. Mini collectors, who's with me? :-) Mike Loewen mloewen(a)cpumagic.scol.pa.us Old Technology http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] Low Key Approach
by jsalzman＠gmail.com 13 Jan '20

13 Jan '20

He's just zoomed in very, very close on his successfully retrobrighted case. On Mon, Jan 13, 2020, 1:47 PM Sentrytv via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > I'm sure he's waiting for an offer > > Sent from: > My extremely complicated, hand held electronic device. > > > On Jan 13, 2020, at 1:27 PM, Bill Degnan via vcf-midatlantic < > vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > > > > I like the low-key approach when selling on Ebay. This guy has a > > "Commodore Computer" for sale: > > > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/commodore-computer/283696540539 > > > > $500. $250 shipping. > > > > I am sure it's great no need for photos, I trust you. > > > > Bill > >

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Low Key Approach
by Bill Degnan 13 Jan '20

13 Jan '20

I like the low-key approach when selling on Ebay. This guy has a "Commodore Computer" for sale: https://www.ebay.com/itm/commodore-computer/283696540539 $500. $250 shipping. I am sure it's great no need for photos, I trust you. Bill

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Exhibitors VCF East 2020 - Start planning your exhibits!
by Jeffrey Brace 13 Jan '20

13 Jan '20

VCF East 2020 is coming soon (Friday, Saturday, Sunday April 24-26, 2020) so start planning your exhibits now! The overall theme this year is *The 6502 Processor* in remembrance of Chuck Peddle and the 45th anniversary of its creation. In addition to 6502 themed exhibits, we need a wide array of topics beyond the 6502, as always. In related news, we are no longer charging exhibitor table fees to acknowledge the significant effort exhibitors put forth in creating and presenting exhibits that are vital to the success of the event! We will release the online Exhibitor Submission Form and the Exhibitor FAQ within a week and alert everyone when they are available. Please send me any questions or comments and I will share them with the Steering Committee. -- ========================================= Jeff Brace Vice President, VCF East Showrunner Vintage Computer Federation

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] VCF East exhibit
by Jameel Akari 13 Jan '20

13 Jan '20

On 2020-01-12 22:41, Tony Bogan via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > While the underlying theme is 6502 this year for obvious reasons, I’m > looking forward to all of the “other” exhibits this year!! I love > seeing so many things I never knew about or had any real experience > with. It’s one of my favorite things about VCF East. Likewise, bring your weird stuff! I am not 100% decided yet but I think it's not going to be 6502-related. (just isn't a thing I really collect) >> On Jan 12, 2020, at 8:59 PM, Mike Loewen via vcf-midatlantic >> <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: >> In light of this year's 6502 emphasis, I'll be exhibiting an HP 3000 >> Micro XE minicomputer from 1986, which of course has nothing to do >> with the 6502. :-) Different, larger system than last year, with >> monochrome and color graphics terminals and a 9-track tape drive. >> Classic 3000 architecture, running MPE/V. >> >> Mini collectors, who's with me? :-) Mike, I have a random HP disk enclosure (SCSI, and I think HP hard drives) that look like that HP3000 which I'd be happy to rehome to you at some workshop. I've thought about doing one of my micro-sized RS/6000s but I've had enough of that between last VCF-East and UNIX50. I might do something that doesn't have vintage hardware at all. *gasp!* -- Jameel Akari

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] endearing term
by Jeffrey Jonas 12 Jan '20

12 Jan '20

I'm unsure a vote is required since we have essentially reached consensus. Evan is on the mark with "logged off" since that's a human action to end a computer session. Human interaction is implied. "signing off" might be a useful alternative, borrowing from the broadcast industry (and BBS?) "return from interrupt" or just plain return() is a wonderful TRON-like view of life as a subroutine. It implies that you've contributed something or performed some service to benefit others. "final exit" is also a good candidate, particularly with Unix/Linux process handling with process parent/child, process groups and the ever-loving zombie status. It kinda applies to actors too. ABORT or Program termination are just too close to euphemisms for death (or Bladerunners' "retirement" of replicants). ABEND means "abnormal end", more appropriate for a tragic or unexpected end. e.g. Robert Allen Pease abended, causing an industry double-panic with Jim Williams' simultaneous, umm, logging off. "EOL" (end of line) and "EOM" (end of message) are remnants of sync-terminals and TRON. It's more like "over", not "over and out". "offline"? I'm unsure about that. My perspective as a machine operator is that peripherals are put online/offline as needed. When I'm offline, I'm asleep or resting and might return later, not pining for the fjords. Perhaps there are other contexts where it feels appropriate. disconnected? Perhaps IRC users feel that way. link is permanently down? Only if you're a modem. "system shutdown" feels dehumanizing. I'm no Andy Rooney but that's my current state of mind on the matter -- jeff jonas

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] we need an endearing term for our computer pioneers/founders
by Christian Liendo 11 Jan '20

11 Jan '20

I agree with "logged off" because it is the most human. It is something humans do. where as the shutdown commands are more technical and cold. I think Evan's "logged off" is the best so far.

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] we need an endearing term for our computer pioneers/founders
by Bill Degnan 10 Jan '20

10 Jan '20

> > I like "logged out" too

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] we need an endearing term for our computer pioneers/founders
by Peter Fletcher 10 Jan '20

10 Jan '20

I find most of these suggestions to be somewhat insensitive for the deceased’s loved ones to read. I get that being a public figure opens one up to outside commentary, but I think it best the group acknowledges the passing in the most respectful way possible. > On Jan 10, 2020, at 8:56 AM, Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > > > From: Evan Koblentz <evan(a)snarc.net> > Subject: Re: [vcf-midatlantic] we need an endearing term for our computer pioneers/founders > Date: January 10, 2020 at 8:56:43 AM EST > To: vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> > > > EOL seems rude. > > I wrote "logged off" when Ragooman died. I didn't think about it too much; the words just came out: > > https://lists.vcfed.org/pipermail/vcf-midatlantic/2018-September/013346.html > > On Jan 10, 2020, Neil Cherry via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: >> On 1/9/20 10:40 PM, Mike Loewen via vcf-midatlantic wrote: >>> >>> I also vote for "EOL". >> >> Agreed - ++1 >> >> -- >> Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry ncherry(a)linuxha.com >> http://www.linuxha.com/ Main site >> http://linuxha.blogspot.com/ My HA Blog >> Author of: Linux Smart Homes For Dummies > >

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] we need an endearing term for our computer pioneers/founders
by Dean Notarnicola 10 Jan '20

10 Jan '20

@SYS$SYSTEM: SHUTDOWN HALT On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 9:37 AM Ben Greenfield via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > has reached end of file > > > On Jan 10, 2020, at 9:34 AM, Brian Schenkenberger via vcf-midatlantic < > vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > > > > Peter Cetinski via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> > writes: > > > >>> On Jan 10, 2020, at 9:28 AM, Peter Cetinski via vcf-midatlantic > >> <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > >>> > >>> shutdown -h > >> > >> and for the reincarnation believers > >> > >> shutdown -r > >> > >> :) > > > > Again... TOO EUNUCHS. > > > > The VMS folks on this list will understand this... >>> > > > > > >

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] we need an endearing term for our computer pioneers/founders
by Neil Cherry 10 Jan '20

10 Jan '20

On 1/10/20 10:06 AM, Tony Bogan via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > I like “John Doe has Logged Off” > > It was fitting for Dan when Evan wrote it, I think it’s appropriate and not uncaring (actually I think it’s the opposite!) > > I do like EOL or EOF and disagree about it seeming rude, but I like “Logged Off” better. Saw Evan's post after I posted and do agree that “Logged Off” sounds better, be a bit softer and would be know better know than EOL. PS, for Emacs users: Ctrl-X Ctrl-C ;-) -- Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry ncherry(a)linuxha.com http://www.linuxha.com/ Main site http://linuxha.blogspot.com/ My HA Blog Author of: Linux Smart Homes For Dummies

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] we need an endearing term for our computer pioneers/founders
by Chris Fala 10 Jan '20

10 Jan '20

That one actually choked me up a bit. On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 9:28 AM Peter Cetinski via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > shutdown -h >

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] we need an endearing term for our computer pioneers/founders
by Chris Fala 10 Jan '20

10 Jan '20

I remember "logged out", it was very touching. I told my wife at the time and she agreed. On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 8:56 AM Evan Koblentz via vcf-midatlantic < vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > EOL seems rude. > > I wrote "logged off" when Ragooman died. I didn't think about it too much; > the words just came out: > > > https://lists.vcfed.org/pipermail/vcf-midatlantic/2018-September/013346.html > > On Jan 10, 2020, Neil Cherry via vcf-midatlantic < > vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > >On 1/9/20 10:40 PM, Mike Loewen via vcf-midatlantic wrote: > >> > >> I also vote for "EOL". > > > >Agreed - ++1 > > > >-- > >Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry ncherry(a)linuxha.com > >http://www.linuxha.com/ Main site > >http://linuxha.blogspot.com/ My HA Blog > >Author of: Linux Smart Homes For Dummies >

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] we need an endearing term for our computer pioneers/founders
by VAXman＠tmesis.org 10 Jan '20

10 Jan '20

Peter Cetinski via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> writes: >> On Jan 10, 2020, at 9:28 AM, Peter Cetinski via vcf-midatlantic ><vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: >> >> shutdown -h > >and for the reincarnation believers > >shutdown -r > >:) Again... TOO EUNUCHS. The VMS folks on this list will understand this... >>>

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] we need an endearing term for our computer pioneers/founders
by Peter Cetinski 10 Jan '20

10 Jan '20

> On Jan 10, 2020, at 9:28 AM, Peter Cetinski via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> wrote: > > > shutdown -h > and for the reincarnation believers shutdown -r :)

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we need an endearing term for our computer pioneers/founders
by Jeffrey Jonas 10 Jan '20

10 Jan '20

re: the passing of Randy Suess (BBS) and Gary Starkweather (Laser Printer) "silent keys" are amateur radio operators who have passed away. https://silentkeys.org/ The term "Fallen Flags" describes those railroads whose corporate names have been dissolved through merger, bankruptcy, or liquidation. http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/ https://www.american-rails.com/fallen-flags.html We need something similar to honor computer/electronics pioneers. -- Jeff Jonas PS: analogous to the computer jargon list is RR lingo: http://www.catskillarchive.com/rrextra/glossry1.Html

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] we need an endearing term for our computer pioneers/founders
by VAXman＠tmesis.org 10 Jan '20

10 Jan '20

Jeffrey Jonas via vcf-midatlantic <vcf-midatlantic(a)lists.vcfed.org> writes: > >re: the passing of Randy Suess (BBS) and Gary Starkweather (Laser >Printer) > >"silent keys" are amateur radio operators who have passed away. >https://silentkeys.org/ > >The term "Fallen Flags" describes those railroads whose corporate names >have been dissolved through merger, bankruptcy, or liquidation. >http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/ >https://www.american-rails.com/fallen-flags.html > >We need something similar to honor computer/electronics pioneers. ASCII #4 EOT...

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Re: [vcf-midatlantic] we need an endearing term for our computer pioneers/founders
by Bob Applegate 10 Jan '20

10 Jan '20

EOF seems more appropriate than EOL. Offline?

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New Commodore Keycaps on Indiegogo
by Chris Fala 10 Jan '20

10 Jan '20

Hey Commodore fans! This looks really nice. I am a backer. Eight days left. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/keycaps-for-your-commodore-computer/

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Brief Followup Kennett Classic Workshop 1/4/20
by Bill Degnan 09 Jan '20

09 Jan '20

I put up a quick blog post about the event: https://www.kennettclassic.com/january-workshop/ I regret not having more photos, I only took one picture because I was so busy...next time we're going to have to move into the green room, and forget doing any video. Here is a twitter post by atariorbit: https://twitter.com/atariorbit/status/1213696481061982208 After the workshop we all went to Grain and hung out. Our next workshop is going to be 3/28, which is a month before VCF East. We had 16 RSVPs, please sign up early if you want to be ensured a table: https://www.meetup.com/Kennett-Classic/events/267632933/ I want to thank everyone for coming, it means a lot to have had such a great turnout. Next event will be even better. Oh, and by then we'll have three new exhibits! If you still plan to see the Commodore rarities and history exhibit don't put it off too much longer. Bill

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